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LouisG - 29 Dec 2005 02:04 GMT
Okay ,,, if your readings are low , you have some juice , glucose , etc to
balance things out ,,, but what if your readings are high ,, not overly
high , but to the point where you feel kind of queasy and light headed ,,,
what do i do then??

Thanks Gord
Michelle - 29 Dec 2005 02:22 GMT
What is your definition of high, Gord?  Give us numbers, please.

Michelle
LouisG - 29 Dec 2005 04:13 GMT
"Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1135822922.962947.151390
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> What is your definition of high, Gord?  Give us numbers, please.
>
> Michelle

Well i really feel kind of silly posting these numbers compared to what
others here are experiencing ,, but my doc is so sure that i'm on a path
to diabete's that he's sending me for all sorts of tests and appointments
with dietitian's and diabete's class's ,,,

But i find i'm getting really queasy and nausious and dizzy starting
around the 8.0 mark ,,,lately it's been creeping up to the 12.5 mark.  I
can tell somethings up as my leg and foot seem kind of warm and i get a
little shakey and naucious and my vision starts to go fuzzy on me.

Like i said it doesn't seem like a big deal when i see some of the
numbers here ,, and one person at work who is a type 1 laughed at me when
i told her my numbers and stated that there's no way that those numbers
make me a diabetic ,,, who's to belive who ,, my doc can't tell me any
different as well as some of my fasting bloodwork over the years ,,,ah
well more bloodwork this weekend so that it's up to date before my
class's ,,,hope i don't get laughed out of those.

To tell you the truth , with the numbers i've been getting , i feel like
a fraud.

Anyway ,, back to the original question about what to do when i feel this
way and enough of the self pity ,,, i've had a lot of that since i found
this out from the doc.

Gord
wmmckee@cox.net - 29 Dec 2005 04:45 GMT
Something is going on...., and it is not good. If you have doubts, go to
another doc.

Will, T2
David - 29 Dec 2005 04:50 GMT
> "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1135822922.962947.151390
> @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Gord
I feel lousy at 230+ and feel really lousy at 300+.  Hard to put it into
words.  Weak, but not like when I'm low. Irritable.

Dave
Ozgirl - 29 Dec 2005 06:55 GMT
> "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1135822922.962947.151390
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>> What is your definition of high, Gord?  Give us numbers, please.
>>
>> Michelle
>
> Well i really feel kind of silly posting these numbers compared to
> what others here are experiencing ,, but my doc is so sure
that i'm
> on a path to diabete's that he's sending me for all sorts
of tests
> and appointments with dietitian's and diabete's class's
,,,

> But i find i'm getting really queasy and nausious and dizzy starting
> around the 8.0 mark ,,,lately it's been creeping up to the 12.5 mark.
> I can tell somethings up as my leg and foot seem kind of
warm and i
> get a little shakey and naucious and my vision starts to
go fuzzy on
> me.

They are high numbers, especially the 12.5. Are you perhaps
seeing the numbers that Americans post? Numbers like 160,
200 etc? I'd say that you WILL get a diabetes diagnosis. If
you want to see what 12.5 in American numbers are - multiply
12.5 by 18.02. It is sad that your type 1 friend seems to be
accepting high numbers also.
Loretta Eisenberg - 29 Dec 2005 15:17 GMT
Jan, I thought it was multiplied by 18 .  The number is then about 214
and that is diabetes to me.

Loretta

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LouisG - 29 Dec 2005 23:15 GMT
http://diabeticgourmet.com/Tools_and_Calculators/convert-sugar-readings.shtml

Loretta and Jan ,, and others ,,here is a link to a convertor for the numbers ,, it might
help some of our conversations between the two systems

12.0 reads in American as 225

Gord


Jan, I thought it was multiplied by 18 .  The number is then about 214
> and that is diabetes to me.
>
> Loretta
>
> -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel,
> two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
oldal4865 - 29 Dec 2005 10:58 GMT
LouisG wrote in message ...
>"Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1135822922.962947.151390
>@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Gord

  In the U.S.,   two separate readings of 11.1 or more is sufficient for
the diagnosis of diabetes.

This "path to diabetes" your doc is talking about is a bit confusing.
Sounds like you're already at the destination.

". . .i told her my numbers and stated that there's no way that those
numbers make me a diabetic. . ."

 Umm. . .your friend needs a reality check.     Non-diabetics spend most of
the day  between 4.4 and 5.0     I don't know what she is thinking.   I am
T1 and I take special corrective action for high sugars when I see an 11.
My corrective action is a shot of insulin and some exercise.

Exercise might work for you but it's a bit tricky.   It can actually send
you higher sometimes if you can't get enough insulin into your blood   (easy
for me and my syringe but hard for you).   Many folks around here go for a
walk when they have high sugar,  or just before they think they might have
high sugar  (e.g.  they are expecting higher sugar at 2 hours after a meal
so they go for a walk at 1 hour after a meal)

Daily exercise is like a special medicine to diabetics.    A lot of us go
for walks even if we aren't expecting high blood sugars.

". . . it doesn't seem like a big deal when i see some of the numbers here.
. ."

Your meter reads mmol/L.   In the U.S. we use mg/dL   A 12.5 mmol/L is a 225
mg/dL which is a big deal on this group.

Keep coming back.   It sounds like you have been drafted into our Club.
Diabetes is one of the odd diseases in which the patient does all the work
and most of the management.   The docs mostly sit on the sidelines,
cheering us on and writing the occasional prescription.   The more you learn
about this disease and the quicker you learn,   the better your chances for
a long and pain-free life.

Regards
 Old Al
Loretta Eisenberg - 29 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT
Gord, I forgot but Chuck reminded me, exercise is the best remedy.  I
dont know what 12.5 translates to, but it seems very high to me.  I dont
think you are a fraud.  I think you are a diabetic, but I cant be sure.
I have to do some math here.

can anyone help with this.  It just seems very high to me

Loretta

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Michelle - 29 Dec 2005 19:13 GMT
>To tell you the truth , with the numbers i've been getting , i feel like
>a fraud.

Gord, when I eat certain foods, my numbers get up around 180 (10 to
you), and I consider that too high.  You are certainly NOT a fraud and
have reason to be concerned.  You are asking the right questions
though.

Like Old Al said, much of managing this condition falls to the patient.
I'm sort of a newbie too--about 2 1/2 months now--and I learned a lot
from reading:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm.
And this is also a helpful site:
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/index.htm

Michelle
Pete Romfh - 29 Dec 2005 19:26 GMT
>> To tell you the truth , with the numbers i've been
>> getting , i feel like a fraud.
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>
> Michelle

I'm also a newbie (about 4 months now) and I'm just starting to get a good
perspective of all the issues.
You mentioned that your Dr. was sending to some sort of Diabetic education.
That's a good thing. Make friends with the Diabetes Educator and Dietician.
They can be a valuable resource.

There's a LOT of diabetes information sites out there. Many with seemingly
conflicting information. Take advice there you find it and try thing to see
how they work for you.

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LouisG - 29 Dec 2005 23:10 GMT
I would love to be able to respond to all the posts to my original
posting , but that would take quite a bit of time. So i will use this
post to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to all that have
responded to my post.

My numbers in metric have been ranging from high 6's to a high of 12.5 ,
many of the numbers are coming in about mid 7's on an average ,,, i
figured something must be up with all the symptoms i was having ,, the
peeing , thirst , blurred vision and the shakiness and queasy feeling ,,
i would seem to get the last 3 around 4 in the pm at work and couldn't
figure out why ,, i just put it down to getting hungry.

I would wake up and have numbers in the mid 6 to mid 7 range and wondered
why if i hadn't eaten anything in the past 8 hours why it would be around
these numbers ,, then a coffee later and maybe some toast or cereal and
it would be up in the 9's ,,,that's when i really got concious of
watching what i ate.

The biggest problem i'm having right now is education of the disease ,
yes there is much on the 'net ,, but after a while it becomes information
overload ,, when my doctor came up with his diogonsis it was mid November
,, he said he would get his assistant to get me booked into the diabete's
class's asap out near where i live but when we heard back from her the
soonest we could get in was the last week of December ,,but having no
vacation days left for my wife or i to get off and go ,,not to mention
the holidays ,, we opted for the second week of January ,,, the doctor
was expecting that we would be in these class's a week or two after he
saw me ,, unfortunately he was off on holidays for two weeks after he saw
me so he didn't know about the timing of the class's ,,,that's when he
booked me in with a dietitian in his office so that i would have someone
to talk to and get an idea on what i can , can't  and might be able to
eat and how much ,, plus about the exercise. And at least put my mind at
ease a tiny bit.

As for the exercise ,, our family recently got a dog and i've been
getting out with him at least 3-4 times a week and the family wanted a
treadmill so we have just gotten one of them ,, so between the two i will
be getting some more exercise than i had been ,,,,, the good thing is
that between the exercise and the change of diet , i had lost 4lbs in
just over a week ,, the first weight i'd lost in over 2 years ,, i'd been
233 for years during which diet and exercise didn't do a thing ,, now on
this diet that i've been working on the weight is dropping ,,,so i'm
hoping that i can control this with the diet and exercise ,,, but i won't
know about any insuline until i meet with the specialist ( by the way
what is he called again???) in February ,, but at least by then i will
have had the class's and be a little more informed about this disease.

I once again thank you for your words ,, and making me feel a little less
fraudulent ,,,

Gord

I will be posting more ,, and i'll have more and more questions for you
guys and gals.

Thanks again

>>> To tell you the truth , with the numbers i've been
>>> getting , i feel like a fraud.
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> seemingly conflicting information. Take advice there you find it and
> try thing to see how they work for you.
oldal4865 - 30 Dec 2005 14:09 GMT
LouisG wrote in message ...
. . .(snip). . .

>I would wake up and have numbers in the mid 6 to mid 7 range and wondered
>why if i hadn't eaten anything in the past 8 hours why it would be around
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>fraudulent ,,, . >
>Gord

A few quick comments:

1.  Mornings are tough for diabetics.   There's a hormone effect called the
Dawn Effect,  or if you prefer,  the Morning Effect.    Mine lasts from
about 4 a.m. to about 10:30 a.m.      Hormones released because of our
circadian rhythms "order" our livers to release glucose into the blood and
away the blood sugar goes.

2.   "insulin". . .

That's usually a bit later in the list of standard Type 2 diabetic therapies
(Odds are you are Type 2)

Your part of any therapy:

    a.  Lose fat lb
    b.  Gain muscle lb
    c.   Exercise every day,  the more and more vigorous,  the better
    d.  Restrict your carbohydrate intake,   eat slowly digesting carb,
spread your daily carb over several small meals

One medical approach:

   e.  First try diet and exercise to see how that works,
   f.  Then add metformin
   g.   Then add Actos or Avandia
   h.    Then add insulin

The doc sorta feels his way through the problem.

Metformin,  Actos and Avandia are anti-Insulin Resistance drugs.
Metformin also reduces the amounts of glucose released by the liver at
various inconvenient times.    Metformin is noted for its lesser risk of
dangerous side effect.

You are very interested in a, b, c, d, e, f, and g.    They have a direct
effect on the very high risk of premature heart attack which,
statistically, accompanies Type 2 diabetes.     Insulin has a lesser effect
but it too,  when used properly    (i.e.  in conjunction with restricted
carb intake),  reduces that risk.

Regards
 Old Al
LouisG - 30 Dec 2005 23:01 GMT
Thanks Al ,,,i'm sorry i can't bring myself to call you old ,,,,i have
been logging all these posts so that i can look back on them and garner
the nuggets out of them ,,,

The more and more exercise will be coming in the form of many walks with
my dog and getting on the treadmill every night.

The diet is coming along ,, but still some bumps ,,,heck of a time of
year to start one ,,,but i'm doing my darndest.

The rest of the medication etc , will come in the new year with all the
appointments i have coming up.

Thanks again ,, will be stopping in here more frequently now that i can
get some answers that make more sense than i've been getting.

Gord

>  A few quick comments:
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> Regards
>   Old Al
W. Baker - 30 Dec 2005 22:00 GMT
: >To tell you the truth , with the numbers i've been getting , i feel like
: >a fraud.

: Gord, when I eat certain foods, my numbers get up around 180 (10 to
: you), and I consider that too high.  You are certainly NOT a fraud and
: have reason to be concerned.  You are asking the right questions
: though.

: Like Old Al said, much of managing this condition falls to the patient.
:  I'm sort of a newbie too--about 2 1/2 months now--and I learned a lot
: from reading:
: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm.
: And this is also a helpful site:
: http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/index.htm

: Michelle

I find if I o higher than I usually do, actually, abouve 140 at 2 hours
after a meal, I am usually well below 120 at that time,  I feel very
sleepy and loggey.  

Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg - 29 Dec 2005 15:13 GMT
Gord, welcome to our group.  Are you a type I or a type II.

I dont know if this works, but if my numbers are high and to me high is
over 140, I dont eat until they go down but I drink a lot of water.  I
dont know if that helps but in my mind it does and my numbers do go down
within an hour.

Lets have some history.

Loretta

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terrorism.
Grandpa Chuck - 29 Dec 2005 03:34 GMT
>Okay ,,, if your readings are low , you have some juice , glucose , etc to
>balance things out ,,, but what if your readings are high ,, not overly
>high , but to the point where you feel kind of queasy and light headed ,,,
>what do i do then??
>
>Thanks Gord

Exercise. Strenuous if you are in shape.
Try a half hour and then recheck your BG.

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reeshoffer@gmail.com - 29 Dec 2005 07:46 GMT
> Okay ,,, if your readings are low , you have some juice , glucose , etc to
> balance things out ,,, but what if your readings are high ,, not overly
> high , but to the point where you feel kind of queasy and light headed ,,,
> what do i do then??
>
> Thanks Gord
 
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