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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 15:55 GMT Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question.
What's good for dry skin care for diabetics?
Currently, I'm still searching for a good lotion or ointment for my dry feet and good ol' Ivory soap is getting a bit hard on the rest of me.
Thanks
Budd
Loretta Eisenberg - 01 Oct 2003 16:09 GMT Burts Bees lotion is fabulous. I was turned on to it by this group and it really is great They have a website or perhaps you can find it in a skin care store
Loretta
First a nail and now your skin, Budd, Makes me wonder lol
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Julie Bove - 01 Oct 2003 18:23 GMT > Burts Bees lotion is fabulous. I was turned on to it by this group and > it really is great They have a website or perhaps you can find it in a > skin care store I use a variety of their products and they are really great!
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:22 GMT The skin problem has been with me since we moved to the Southeast Utah desert three years ago, but it's been worse for the past year or so. A couple months back we had a heavy rain that dumped a whopping 1/2 inch of moisture in 3 hours and the humidity never got over 20%.
Oh, btw, the scooter drew blood today . . . the vicious monster!!!!
<LOL>
Budd
> Burts Bees lotion is fabulous. I was turned on to it by this group and > it really is great They have a website or perhaps you can find it in a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Pete - 01 Oct 2003 22:11 GMT >The skin problem has been with me since we moved to the Southeast Utah >desert three years ago, but it's been worse for the past year or so. A >couple months back we had a heavy rain that dumped a whopping 1/2 inch >of moisture in 3 hours and the humidity never got over 20%. [snip]
That type of climate can play tricks with you. Lowere humiditey = wicking of moisture from expelled air and via the pores in your skin. It is easy to become dehydrated without realising it.
Also, frequent use of soap and /or shampoo depletes the skins natural oils which are a protective barrier. So when you sweat the moisture evaporates very quickly and it can do so without you actually getting damp, and the salts excreted via the skin pores sit on the skins surface. This causes chaffing and eventually the salts get into the lower layers and cause soreness. This is known as prickly heat.
It occurs to me that part of your problem might be associated with the climate and frequent use of soap. It might be worth using less soap and when shampooing your hair under the shower stand stooped so that the rinse water does not run over and down your body.
When I lived in high humidity and hot/dry climates this was a prime issue.
HTH
Pete
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 04:57 GMT > That type of climate can play tricks with you. Lowere > humiditey = wicking of moisture from expelled air and via > the pores in your skin. It is easy to become dehydrated > without realising it. I grew up in Southeastern Colorado, which is darn near as dry, so I've learned the dangers of dehydration. I carry at least a 20 oz. bottle of water or tea at all times outside, even in winter (it's just as dry!).
> Also, frequent use of soap and /or shampoo depletes the > skins natural oils which are a protective barrier. So when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > chaffing and eventually the salts get into the lower layers > and cause soreness. This is known as prickly heat. My skin varies considerably from being a potential oil refinery site on my nose and forehead to the previously mentioned dry areas. I also have some kind of a skin problem in my scalp (I've had it since puberty) where heavy crusts build up if I don't keep the scalp scrubbed. The crust can split and bleed if not kept under control.
> It occurs to me that part of your problem might be > associated with the climate and frequent use of soap. It > might be worth using less soap and when shampooing your hair > under the shower stand stooped so that the rinse water does > not run over and down your body. At the present time I take baths instead of showers because the main bath doesn't have a shower. We're trying to get a handheld shower installed soon as I prefer a shower to sitting in used water.
> When I lived in high humidity and hot/dry climates this was > a prime issue. > > HTH > > Pete Been in both, originally from Indiana, and prefer a somewhat dryer climate to a humid one.
Budd
Pete - 02 Oct 2003 09:35 GMT >> That type of climate can play tricks with you. Lowere >> humiditey = wicking of moisture from expelled air and via >> the pores in your skin. It is easy to become dehydrated >> without realising it.
>I grew up in Southeastern Colorado, which is darn near as dry, so I've >learned the dangers of dehydration. I carry at least a 20 oz. bottle of >water or tea at all times outside, even in winter (it's just as dry!).
>> Also, frequent use of soap and /or shampoo depletes the >> skins natural oils which are a protective barrier. So when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> chaffing and eventually the salts get into the lower layers >> and cause soreness. This is known as prickly heat.
>My skin varies considerably from being a potential oil refinery site on >my nose and forehead to the previously mentioned dry areas. I also have >some kind of a skin problem in my scalp (I've had it since puberty) Some kind of Exma [Cannot spell it] my eldest daughter suffers from that and has from 2 years old. It's not a problem now but in the early days Goats milk [consumed] helped a lot. Something to do with Lactic acid I think.
>where heavy crusts build up if I don't keep the scalp scrubbed. The >crust can split and bleed if not kept under control.
>> It occurs to me that part of your problem might be >> associated with the climate and frequent use of soap. It >> might be worth using less soap and when shampooing your hair >> under the shower stand stooped so that the rinse water does >> not run over and down your body.
>At the present time I take baths instead of showers because the main >bath doesn't have a shower. We're trying to get a handheld shower >installed soon as I prefer a shower to sitting in used water. We agree there, I had the bath removed five years ago and had a permanent fixed shower unit installed instead. It's made a lot of difference in terms of practicality.
>> When I lived in high humidity and hot/dry climates this was >> a prime issue. >> HTH >> Pete
>Been in both, originally from Indiana, and prefer a somewhat dryer >climate to a humid one. Me" I hate Humid!!!
>Budd Cheers
Pete
Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Oct 2003 15:52 GMT Budd, it is funny that you should say that about Utah weather, When I was in Vancouver and Alaska my skin dried out so that it cracked, My face broke out in blotches of scales and I looked a mess, I was contstantly moisturizing and it didnt help I see that living in those climates could not be for me, My hands, which are usually like a baby's tush were cracked and dry and looked aged.
Thanks for the confirmation on the weather factor.
Loretta
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Loretta Eisenberg - 01 Oct 2003 16:26 GMT Budd I take back the Burts Bees. I use a product that is the best I have ever used, It is L'Occitane 100% shea butter, My husband uses it on his face because he has some skin irritations, I use it as a moisturizer for my face and body. My hands are as soft as a babys tush, It is incredible, It comes in a 4.9 ounce tin, It is pricey at 35 but a tin lasts at least four to six months.
I highly recommend this problem to anyone with dry skin problems.
Loretta
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Julie Bove - 01 Oct 2003 18:25 GMT > Budd I take back the Burts Bees. I use a product that is the best I > have ever used, It is L'Occitane 100% shea butter, My husband uses it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I highly recommend this problem to anyone with dry skin problems. Shea Butter is good too. I keep a big tub of it next to my bed and rub it on as needed. I got mine from EBay. It's a generic (and cheap) sort of thing that somebody scooped into a plastic tub and put a label on. But it is 100% Shea Butter, unlike some of the other products I've tried. What's great about it is that it isn't greasy and a little bit goes a long way!
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:32 GMT Got it written down, thanks!
Budd
> Budd I take back the Burts Bees. I use a product that is the best I > have ever used, It is L'Occitane 100% shea butter, My husband uses it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Tiger Lily - 01 Oct 2003 16:42 GMT lanolin for the feet...... do not put the lanolin between the toes, just on the tops of the foot, and wear a pair of socks so the lanolin doesn't stain the bed sheets (you put it on before bed and wake up to smoother feet..... may take a number of applications to get rid of cracks and callus material)
for the hands/body, Wal-Mart has Udder Cream that works a charm..... or you can go for any of the products with Urea in them as a good lotion/cream for elbows, hands and body
good luck... you are not alone
kate
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> Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Budd Pete - 01 Oct 2003 17:37 GMT >lanolin for the feet...... do not put the lanolin between the toes, just on >the tops of the foot, and wear a pair of socks so the lanolin doesn't stain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >kate BTW Lil.........have you seen what Lanaolin does to a sheep shearers hands??
Pete
Tiger Lily - 01 Oct 2003 19:17 GMT "Pete" <> wrote in message
> BTW Lil.........have you seen what Lanaolin does to a sheep > shearers hands?? > > Pete the lanolin or the fibres from the wool? and no.... what happens?
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Pete - 01 Oct 2003 21:55 GMT >"Pete" <> wrote in message >> BTW Lil.........have you seen what Lanaolin does to a sheep [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >the lanolin or the fibres from the wool? I believe its both??
>and no.... what happens? They get very cracked.
Pete
Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:37 GMT I ain't a gonna go there . . . . . . .
Budd
>>lanolin for the feet...... do not put the lanolin between the toes, just on >>the tops of the foot, and wear a pair of socks so the lanolin doesn't stain [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pete Pete - 01 Oct 2003 22:00 GMT >I ain't a gonna go there . . . . . . . >Budd
>>>lanolin for the feet...... do not put the lanolin between the toes, just on >>>the tops of the foot, and wear a pair of socks so the lanolin doesn't stain [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>good luck... you are not alone >>>kate
>> BTW Lil.........have you seen what Lanaolin does to a sheep >> shearers hands??
>> Pete BTW Budd - forgot........I was advised to keep cool [Temp <G>] and particularly my feet. I have discovered that when my feet get hot I begin to suffer, difficult to explain but it is related to my BG. Anyway I now wear thin cotton socks and always wear shoes that are leather uppers with either Gortex or Cambrelle lining. It seems to have worked. I now have less trouble with them and the skin problem seems to have gone. Don't know if that's of any use to you.
Pete
Tiger Lily - 01 Oct 2003 22:56 GMT "Pete" < wrote in message -berlin.de...
> BTW Budd - forgot........I was advised to keep cool [Temp > <G>] and particularly my feet. I have discovered that when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pete well..... this is way off .......... i'm allergic to some of the glues they put shoes together with and will get VERY dry irritated feet if i'm wearing a shoe with that sort of glue in it....... sigh......... oh well
kate
Pete - 02 Oct 2003 09:27 GMT >"Pete" < wrote in message -berlin.de... >> BTW Budd - forgot........I was advised to keep cool [Temp [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> have gone. Don't know if that's of any use to you. >> Pete
>well..... this is way off .......... i'm allergic to some of the glues they >put shoes together with and will get VERY dry irritated feet if i'm wearing >a shoe with that sort of glue in it....... sigh......... oh well >kate How the hell can you tell before buying? go barefoot gal!!!
Pete
Tiger Lily - 02 Oct 2003 14:45 GMT "Pete" < wrote in message .uni-berlin.de...
> >well..... this is way off .......... i'm allergic to some of the glues they > >put shoes together with and will get VERY dry irritated feet if i'm wearing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pete you can't........ so you buy and pray when i find a brand that works for me, i go back and buy a pair in 2 more colours and an extra pair of the colour i most prefer...... kate
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 04:45 GMT Interesting . . . I wear soft leather moccasins most of the time and then well ventilated cross trainers when I need to "dress up" for church or weddings (sorry, I don't do ties).
If I do wear a dress shoe it has to be leather or my feet sweat like they're trying to replenish a lake.
My socks are usually ankle high cotton, because of leg swelling in the past, or very low top cotton.
There are times when I swell up and use Ted hose, but I don't like to use them daily.
Budd
> BTW Budd - forgot........I was advised to keep cool [Temp > <G>] and particularly my feet. I have discovered that when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pete Pete - 02 Oct 2003 09:29 GMT >Interesting . . . I wear soft leather moccasins most of the time and >then well ventilated cross trainers when I need to "dress up" for church >or weddings
>(sorry, I don't do ties). I don't think many people do nowadays.
>If I do wear a dress shoe it has to be leather or my feet sweat like >they're trying to replenish a lake. Snap
>My socks are usually ankle high cotton, because of leg swelling in the >past, or very low top cotton. Michael Jackson lookalike from the ankle down ? <VBG>
>There are times when I swell up and use Ted hose, but I don't like to >use them daily. >Budd
>> BTW Budd - forgot........I was advised to keep cool [Temp >> <G>] and particularly my feet. I have discovered that when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Pete Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 17:21 GMT > I don't think many people do nowadays. <LOL> I've avoided them since I had to wear one for a school picture and a bigger kid grabbed and tried to use it to throw me around. It was a clip on. So he just punched me. In the military, I would volunteer for KP so I wouldn't have to attend the parades and stuff.
> Snap ??????
> Michael Jackson lookalike from the ankle down ? <VBG> Nope. I get a better tan, thanks to the Native American genes, but could you imagine what a 5'9", 260 pound Vintage Flatulencer would look like doing a moon-walk? (Btw, I can do one)
Budd
Pete - 02 Oct 2003 17:47 GMT >> I don't think many people do nowadays.
><LOL> I've avoided them since I had to wear one for a school picture >and a bigger kid grabbed and tried to use it to throw me around. It was >a clip on. So he just punched me. In the military, I would volunteer for >KP so I wouldn't have to attend the parades and stuff.
>> Snap
>?????? It's a reference to a childrens playing card game called snap. The expression is used to signify Identical. eg: If someone said "I have a green Tie" you might say "snap" meaning you have the same.
>> Michael Jackson lookalike from the ankle down ? <VBG>
>Nope. I get a better tan, thanks to the Native American genes, but could >you imagine what a 5'9", 260 pound Vintage Flatulencer would look like >doing a moon-walk? (Btw, I can do one) >Budd ROTFLMAO...........
Pete
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 19:40 GMT >>>Snap > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > someone said "I have a green Tie" you might say "snap" > meaning you have the same. Ok. Never played it, myself. Besides, I look horrible in green . . especially Army green.
>>>Michael Jackson lookalike from the ankle down ? <VBG> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pete <VBG>
Budd
Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:29 GMT Any suggestions for the one crack I have between two toes? My lady, Sandra, has been using A&D ointment (mostly vaseline and lanolin) on my feet and giving them a gentle massage to ease aches from getting back on my feet. She does it before she leaves for work in the evening and my feet are getting better slowly.
I've heard other folks say the Udder Cream is good stuff, I'll get some.
That's what has made this group a favorite place to come, good camaraderie and useful information. This bunch has been a blessing for me in coping with my Diabetes and keeping my spirits up. A few times, I've not really felt so great, but a poster will sound a little down and I have to crack a joke or give a bit of support and then I feel better.
Thanks, everyone.
Budd
> lanolin for the feet...... do not put the lanolin between the toes, just on > the tops of the foot, and wear a pair of socks so the lanolin doesn't stain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > kate Tiger Lily - 01 Oct 2003 21:23 GMT "Budd Cochran" <> wrote in message $6r4.4299@news02.roc.ny...
> Any suggestions for the one crack I have between two toes? My lady, > Sandra, has been using A&D ointment (mostly vaseline and lanolin) on my > feet and giving them a gentle massage to ease aches from getting back on > my feet. She does it before she leaves for work in the evening and my > feet are getting better slowly. > Budd get that crack checked and make sure it isn't athlete's foot or another sort of fungal infection that has caused the crack in the first place
do you have any small "blister" sort of marks near the crack? or dry flaking skin? both are signs of fungal infection (or just dry skin)
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 04:39 GMT Fungal infection was the first thing that crossed my mind, but my doctor says it's dry skin. He just suggested a lotion, but wasn't specific. I've been exposed to Athlete's Foot Fungus many times, but I've never caught it.
A few years ago, I had a lot of little water blisters on my feet, not the big sore kind from poor fitting shoes, and a dermatologist gave me an injection of cortisone which cleared them up for about 6 mos. Then I discovered I could slather vaseline on in the AM before work and they disappeared.
Budd
> "Budd Cochran" <> wrote in message $6r4.4299@news02.roc.ny... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > do you have any small "blister" sort of marks near the crack? or dry flaking > skin? both are signs of fungal infection (or just dry skin) Julie Bove - 02 Oct 2003 03:18 GMT > Any suggestions for the one crack I have between two toes? My lady, > Sandra, has been using A&D ointment (mostly vaseline and lanolin) on my > feet and giving them a gentle massage to ease aches from getting back on > my feet. She does it before she leaves for work in the evening and my > feet are getting better slowly. Try putting Betadine on it. I had this problem and the podiatrist told me to do this once a week or so. Also be aware that the crack could have come about from athlete's foot or you could have this pesky condition that I have called dyshidrosis. You should probably ask your podiatrist or see a dermatologist to find out the cause of it before treating it.
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Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Oct 2003 15:54 GMT Budd, when you put the cream of your choice on your feet, you should put socks over it to keep the moisture in
Julie not all sheas are created equal I have found that only the 100 pr cent shea is effective
Loretta
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Julie Bove - 02 Oct 2003 18:39 GMT > Budd, when you put the cream of your choice on your feet, you should put > socks over it to keep the moisture in > > Julie not all sheas are created equal I have found that only the 100 pr > cent shea is effective I agree. My first encounter with the stuff was a blend of things. It didn't do much for me. I then bought a small jar of 100% Shea Butter and it was great! But it was also really expensive. So I looked for something cheaper. Bought something online that I thought was 100% Shea Butter and it turned out to have a few added ingredients in it. I don't know what was in that stuff, but it had these gritty little crystals in it. It was also hard as a rock. In order to apply it, I had to melt it down first. I could then apply it when melted, but as it cooled, it hardened up even more and had more crystals in it. I threw it out and was really suspicious after that to buy any. Luckily, what I now have is good. At the time I bought it, I was unable to find any in a store and had to resort to mail order.
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Pete - 01 Oct 2003 17:35 GMT Prior to getting under control, i has some bad skin problems. Dryness etc - made showering a real pain. However, I used Aqueous Cream instead of soap in the shower and then afterwards as a lotion. It worked pretty danm well for me. But I seemed to have very rough areas on my elbows as well as my feet. I tried everything i could get my hands on but only acheived limited satisfaction.
Then I discovered that the problem with my feet and elbows was not dry skin but in fact a type of fungus. So I went to the doc got some cream applied till it ran out and hey presto..........smooth as a baby's bum!
HTH
Pete
Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:37 GMT My elbow calluses are almost gone (I got them as a kid from laying on the floor while reading and watching TV, mostly reading), but not before they had cracked open some. I just kept vaseline on them for about two months.
I'll check into the Aqueous Cream. One thing I have to watch is sulfate content as I have a strong allergy to them.
Budd
> Prior to getting under control, i has some bad skin > problems. Dryness etc - made showering a real pain. However, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pete Pete - 01 Oct 2003 22:19 GMT >My elbow calluses are almost gone (I got them as a kid from laying on >the floor while reading and watching TV, mostly reading), but not before >they had cracked open some. I just kept vaseline on them for about two >months.
>I'll check into the Aqueous Cream. One thing I have to watch is sulfate >content as I have a strong allergy to them. >Budd [snip]
I like products that have a strong Alloh content in them. A long time ago I used an after sun lotion made in India of all places, and it worked wonders for me. Herdly ever got after sun burn. I continued using it as a moisturiser till it was all used up. Never been able to find the same stuff again.
There are a lot of products about with the same things in but not as much Alloh - s'pose it's because its now the 'in' thing and everything containing it has a hyped price.
Pete
Julie Bove - 02 Oct 2003 03:20 GMT > My elbow calluses are almost gone (I got them as a kid from laying on > the floor while reading and watching TV, mostly reading), but not before [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll check into the Aqueous Cream. One thing I have to watch is sulfate > content as I have a strong allergy to them. You might also have psoriasis. A common place to get it is on the elbows. And there is a pustular form that can affect the feet and hands.
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 05:30 GMT They were just good old 1/4" thick calluses, Julie.
They never flaked, peeled, or split until I got the dry skin.
Heck, they were so thick and tuff I could stick a darning needle thru them crosswise without pain or bleeding.
Budd
>>My elbow calluses are almost gone (I got them as a kid from laying on >>the floor while reading and watching TV, mostly reading), but not before [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You might also have psoriasis. A common place to get it is on the elbows. > And there is a pustular form that can affect the feet and hands. Al Hardy - 01 Oct 2003 18:06 GMT > Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Budd Avoid perfumed or scented soap. Wear natural fibre socks, not man-made. Baby-oil.
Al.
Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:41 GMT Thanks, Al.
Ivory soap has been my regular soap for 50+ years (as far back as I can remember, that is), but it seems to be worsening the dry skin now.
And my looks are too far gone for any of the "beauty" soaps. <VBG>
Budd
>>Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Al. Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Oct 2003 15:56 GMT Budd, Ivory is pure soap and I learned years ago that it is the most drying to my skin, I use a milk cleanser on my face and I use a moisturizing body wash, I dont use conventional soaps except for when I wash my hands after using the potty :-)
Loretta
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 17:13 GMT For hand cleansing, we take the scraps of Ivory and melt them with some water to make a liquid hand cleanser. We just re-use those expensive liquid cleanser dispensers for the soft Ivory.
In case anyone is wondering why we do it, my wife is Irish and I'm a mixture of all the Celtics plus Cherokee. Sometimes the Scottish thrift overwhelms me.
Once I was scraping off some wallpaper and a friend asked if I was redecorating and I said, "No. Moving."
Budd
> Budd, Ivory is pure soap and I learned years ago that it is the most > drying to my skin, I use a milk cleanser on my face and I use a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Chakolate - 02 Oct 2003 19:57 GMT > For hand cleansing, we take the scraps of Ivory and melt them with some > water to make a liquid hand cleanser. We just re-use those expensive > liquid cleanser dispensers for the soft Ivory. You can also use cheap bubble bath (~$1.00/quart) instead of the liquid hand soap. Soap is soap.
Chakolate
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Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 02 Oct 2003 21:18 GMT You could not find a more drying formula than that if you looked of a year or more. Throw the darned Ivory out the window.
My mother-in-law (God rest her soul) used to take Ivory liquid and add twice as much water to use as a liquid hand soap. You had to use so much that you may as well have used it full strength to begin with.
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 22:33 GMT If you mean Ivory Liquid Dish Detergent, then, yes, it's far more drying as it's original intent was to clean cooking grease of pots and pans. It's a different formula than the bar soap.
The only time I ever use dish detergent or shampoo (other than when washing my hair with shampoo) on my hands is when I've got a thick coat of engine grease on them from working on my car / truck and I'm out of Go/Jo or Goop waterless hand cleanser. Then I rub the detergent into the grease with a minimum of water, and rinse. Usually once is enough.
For really heavy grease on my hands, I spray them with WD-40, rub it in till the grease is loosened and grab an old rag that can be thrown away. Repeat until your hands are nearly clean, then use hand cleaner. This trick I learned working on forklifts in a muffler factory, only there I used used hydraulic (5W) oil.
Budd, who asks the question: "If we know that a "sham" is a fake, and what "poo" is, then do we really know what we wash our hair with?"
> You could not find a more drying formula than that if you looked of a year or > more. Throw the darned Ivory out the window. > > My mother-in-law (God rest her soul) used to take Ivory liquid and add twice > as much water to use as a liquid hand soap. You had to use so much that you > may as well have used it full strength to begin with. Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 02 Oct 2003 22:42 GMT No. I mean Ivory bath soap in bar form. I should not have added that last part. It only clouded the statement.
> If you mean Ivory Liquid Dish Detergent, then, yes, it's far more drying > as it's original intent was to clean cooking grease of pots and pans. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Go/Jo or Goop waterless hand cleanser. Then I rub the detergent into the > grease with a minimum of water, and rinse. Usually once is enough. The best thing I have found for that when I am out of Go/Jo, etc. is to first use a glob of shortening. You know, Crisco or whatever you have handy. Rub it in good just like you would the Go/Jo. Then ordinary hand soap will remove it quite easily.
> For really heavy grease on my hands, I spray them with WD-40, rub it in > till the grease is loosened and grab an old rag that can be thrown away. > Repeat until your hands are nearly clean, then use hand cleaner. This > trick I learned working on forklifts in a muffler factory, only there I > used used hydraulic (5W) oil. Yep, but in my experience the shortening usually works better and it softens the hands.
> Budd, who asks the question: "If we know that a "sham" is a fake, and > what "poo" is, then do we really know what we wash our hair with?" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > as much water to use as a liquid hand soap. You had to use so much that you > > may as well have used it full strength to begin with. -- Chuck -ô¿ô- ~
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 23:47 GMT > No. I mean Ivory bath soap in bar form. I should not have added that last part. It > only clouded the statement. No problem. For nothing else, we may have helped someone else to keep from using it.
>>If you mean Ivory Liquid Dish Detergent, then, yes, it's far more drying >>as it's original intent was to clean cooking grease of pots and pans. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > glob of shortening. You know, Crisco or whatever you have handy. Rub it in good > just like you would the Go/Jo. Then ordinary hand soap will remove it quite easily. You wife doesn't hit you with a skillet for sticking a dirty hand in her shortening? <VBG>
I've done that also, but since I don't keep any in my shop and I sure don't want to get any grease outside the shop, I use the WD-40 or, now that the old memory cells woke up, transmission fluid. Engine oil is a bit too thick.
>>For really heavy grease on my hands, I spray them with WD-40, rub it in >>till the grease is loosened and grab an old rag that can be thrown away. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yep, but in my experience the shortening usually works better and it softens the > hands. So does WD-40 and it seems to help my arthritis . . .but YMMV.
Budd ( who's attempts at humor are scaring the natives.)
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> Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Budd Polly Lopez - 02 Oct 2003 05:53 GMT Nutragena Sesame Oil after your bath while skin is still warm.
Polly
Julie Bove - 01 Oct 2003 18:22 GMT > Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > > What's good for dry skin care for diabetics? > > Currently, I'm still searching for a good lotion or ointment for my dry > feet and good ol' Ivory soap is getting a bit hard on the rest of me. Despite its advertising, Ivory soap is quite harsh on the skin. I rarely ever use soap any more except occasionally for washing my hands. I find that Dove cleansing bars and body wash are really great for moisturizing. Olay makes good products too, but the scent might not be the best for a guy. As for your feet, slather them with plain old petroleum jelly (Vaseline), avoiding the area between the toes, then put on some socks and go to bed. Your feet will be soft and smooth in the morning. If you're in a real hurry, you can slip your feet into plastic bags after treating them, but don't keep the bags on for more than about a half an hour.
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:50 GMT Thanks, Julie, but you know, with all the help I'm getting and all the products I'll need to check into, It's going to be six months before I'm done . . . . I love it!!!
What a great group!
Budd
> Despite its advertising, Ivory soap is quite harsh on the skin. I rarely > ever use soap any more except occasionally for washing my hands. I find [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hurry, you can slip your feet into plastic bags after treating them, but > don't keep the bags on for more than about a half an hour. Pete - 01 Oct 2003 22:02 GMT >Thanks, Julie, but you know, with all the help I'm getting and all the >products I'll need to check into, It's going to be six months before I'm [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> hurry, you can slip your feet into plastic bags after treating them, but >> don't keep the bags on for more than about a half an hour. You might consider some well known baby products. They tend to have less damaging additions to them.
Pete
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 04:48 GMT Uh-oh . . .my little lady will flip if she has to start buying baby stuff again.
With my luck, she would also buy some Attends . . .as a joke!!!!!
Budd
> You might consider some well known baby products. They tend > to have less damaging additions to them. > > Pete Pete - 02 Oct 2003 09:30 GMT >Uh-oh . . .my little lady will flip if she has to start buying baby >stuff again. But surely you are her baby? Now <G>
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 17:23 GMT <OUCH!!!!>
<VBG>
Budd
>>Uh-oh . . .my little lady will flip if she has to start buying baby >>stuff again. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pete Nan Eklund - 02 Oct 2003 18:42 GMT Among the baby products is Desitin, for diaper rash. Zinc oxide plus stuff. At 70 I rediscovered it. Doesn't stink like fishes anymore and works. Figured if rashy baby bottoms could stand it, so could I. Nan, Type 2 since 1990 or so
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 19:44 GMT Uh-oh, zinc and I don't get along well. It's not that I'm allergic, but every test I've had for the last few years for minerals shows I'm full of it . . .among other things, like potassium.
If I use it very much, even in a topical application, I get "overdosed", and feel really weird.
Budd
> Among the baby products is Desitin, for diaper rash. Zinc oxide plus stuff. > At 70 I rediscovered it. Doesn't stink like fishes anymore and works. Figured > if rashy baby bottoms could stand it, so could I. > Nan, Type 2 since 1990 or so Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 01 Oct 2003 18:24 GMT > Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Budd Budd, my dermatologist has told me and my wife, who does not have diabetes or psoriasis, to avoid washing with any cleanser that contains soap. That means the Ivory is completely out of the question.
For a moisturizer he recommends Aveeno Daily. We buy the Equate Daily Moisturizer which is exactly the same thing. Another thing that I do is rub myself down with baby oil while still we from my shower or bath. (Actually, usually Laurie does it for me. Mineral oil is the same thing and works just as well.) Almost all of the oil is absorbed so there is very little left by the time I dry myself with the bath towel. I have had a winter dry skin problem most of my life - long before the psoriasis became obvious.
Good luck. How's your backside doing?
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:48 GMT > Budd, my dermatologist has told me and my wife, who does not have diabetes > or psoriasis, to avoid washing with any cleanser that contains soap. That > means the Ivory is completely out of the question. That's what I'm thinking also.
> For a moisturizer he recommends Aveeno Daily. We buy the Equate Daily > Moisturizer which is exactly the same thing. I'll check into it. I have to watch the sulfate content.
> Another thing that I do is rub > myself down with baby oil while still we from my shower or bath. (Actually, > usually Laurie does it for me. Mineral oil is the same thing and works just > as well.) Almost all of the oil is absorbed so there is very little left by > the time I dry myself with the bath towel. I have had a winter dry skin > problem most of my life - long before the psoriasis became obvious. Now this sounds like fun . . . . . (Sandra slaps Budd's head gently, "Dirty old man!")
> Good luck. How's your backside doing? Doing very well. I'm off the Lortabs completely, take 400 mg Ibuprofen only when I start hurting, and I'm busting knuckles on my old motor scooter again. It feels so indescribably great to be able to _DO_ something again.
Hopefully, in a week or two, the missus and I can get back to our quiet evening walks again.
Budd
Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 01 Oct 2003 22:37 GMT > Hopefully, in a week or two, the missus and I can get back to our quiet > evening walks again. > > Budd We have been trying to work ourselves back into that habit. Not in the evenings though, since Laurie works second shift. Right now we are only walking half a mile at a time every other day. That's what we were advised to start with. I'd like to do it in our neighborhood so our dogs can go along, but so far we have been going to a trail. It always seem contradictory to me to drive to someplace to walk. OTOH once it gets cold here it may be better to become one with the mall walkers.
Good luck with your health Budd and with the scooter. Love those little things.
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 05:07 GMT > We have been trying to work ourselves back into that habit. Not in the evenings > though, since Laurie works second shift. Right now we are only walking half a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to walk. OTOH once it gets cold here it may be better to become one with the mall > walkers. I agree. Near us they have put in a "riverwalk" along a small creek (creekwalk??? <VBG>) and it's a lot of fun except the mountain bikers think it belongs to them exclusively. I've started carrying a cane and it seems to deter them somewhat. . .maybe I should carry a big walking staff.
> Good luck with your health Budd and with the scooter. Love those little things. Check out < http://www.hobbytech.com/ > It's the website of Cushman expert. Mine's supposed to be like the yellow one (fourth scooter from the top) but we're making a custom body for it. At close to 350 lbs, they ain't tiny <VBG>
Budd
Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 02 Oct 2003 21:25 GMT > > Good luck with your health Budd and with the scooter. Love those little things. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Budd Bookmarked it. Sounds pretty cool by the time you get it done.
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 22:34 GMT Especially if I try to ride it in 20 degree weather . . . brrrrrrr.
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>>>Good luck with your health Budd and with the scooter. Love those little things. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > All outgoing messages checked by Norton Anti-Virus Mrs. or Mr. Perry - 02 Oct 2003 22:43 GMT Been there. Done that on a little Harley Rapido.
> Especially if I try to ride it in 20 degree weather . . . brrrrrrr. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > All outgoing messages checked by Norton Anti-Virus -- Chuck -ô¿ô- ~
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Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 23:50 GMT <SHUDDER!!>
Me too, on many various unheated vehicles, including motorcycles, scooters, uncovered Army dump trucks. . . .
Budd
> Been there. > Done that on a little Harley Rapido. quirque - 02 Oct 2003 06:14 GMT I recently finished (it took several trips and a long time) moving to utah from the SE. Immediately developed serious dry skin, rough elbows, clogged pores, etc. I had a water softener installed and that solved about half the problem. I took a friend's advice and mixed 1/3 skin so soft, 1/3 regular rubbing alcohol, 1/3 witch hazel. in a bottle I keep in the shower. when I'm finished showering while I'm still dripping wet, I fill one cupped palm, spread it over both hands, then over most of me, concentrating on the worst areas. Being wet allows the coating to be very thin and the small amount of the mixture to go a long ways. In the beginning the alcohol helped sterilize any areas where the clogged pores had gotten irritated and red. I probably don't need it in the mix now, but I keep it because if an area like an elbow begins to get irritated, the slight sting alerts me to the fact. Quirque
> Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > What's good for dry skin care for diabetics? > Currently, I'm still searching for a good lotion or ointment for my dry > feet and good ol' Ivory soap is getting a bit hard on the rest of me. > Thanks > Budd Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 15:34 GMT Most commercial Witch Hazel solutions already contain considerable alcohol, as I discovered when one of the nursing staff at the hospital recommended it for my surgery wounds.
After the wife scraped me off the ceiling, I decided I didn't need the discomfort from the alcohol on top of the surgery.
When I went to the dermatologist for the blistered foot problem, he said alcohols were the worst thing for your skin.
Budd
> I recently finished (it took several trips and a long time) moving to utah > from the SE. Immediately developed serious dry skin, rough elbows, clogged [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>Thanks >>Budd Mack - 01 Oct 2003 18:52 GMT >Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Budd usually anything with tea tree oil is good for lotion but if you are going to put it on your feet best to consult a podiatrist.
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:54 GMT The skin on my feet isn't too bad yet, but I'm also trying to avoid looking like I'm made of 30th century B.C. papyrus like all my mom's brothers did.
Budd
>>Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Colleen - 01 Oct 2003 20:22 GMT Budd, I use Eucerin cream. My hands get awful because I am in paint etc. all day. I slather this on at night and by the next morning it's clearing up. It contains no sulfates.
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> The skin on my feet isn't too bad yet, but I'm also trying to avoid > looking like I'm made of 30th century B.C. papyrus like all my mom's [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > > terrorism. louisejoi - 01 Oct 2003 19:23 GMT > Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > > What's good for dry skin care for diabetics? > > Currently, I'm still searching for a good lotion or ointment for my dry > feet and good ol' Ivory soap is getting a bit hard on the rest of me. Gold Bond Lotion works for me.
-- Best wishes Louise
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Budd Cochran - 01 Oct 2003 19:56 GMT I'll check into it, but I think it contains sulfates.
Thanks
Budd
>>Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Type 2 since 2000, controlling by diet and exercise Nan Eklund - 01 Oct 2003 22:18 GMT I picked up some Vitamin E oil at Sav-On, their brand name. Lasted forever. Between that and Vaseline, the old skin stays pretty smooth. For allergies, if you live in the south, grow some aloe. A broken aloe leaf does nicely for first aid on rashes and cracks. Nan, Type 2
Ruth DeVine - 01 Oct 2003 22:48 GMT >From: Budd Cochran
>What's good for dry skin care for diabetics? Everyone here will give you some good ideas, here's some from Web MD written by Cleveland Clinic.... Just some tips and pointers to add to the suggestions :)
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/46/1667_50925?z=1667_50910_6504_00_58 In addition, follow these guidelines:
Apply lip balm to prevent chapped lips. To prevent dry skin when the temperature drops, use a room humidifier to add moisture to heated, indoor air. When bathing or showering, use warm (not hot) water and a mild, moisture-containing soap. Avoid bathing in hot water. Avoid taking long baths or showers. Pat your skin dry; do not rub. After washing and drying your skin, apply a mild lotion to prevent dry skin. Avoid scratching dry skin. Apply moisturizer instead. Keep a bottle of lotion near the sink so you can use it after washing your hands. Limit products you use on your skin to decrease your chances of having a reaction. HTH Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Type 2, Avandamet/Lantus insulin. @--->----- Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and....... Seen on a sign in rural Ohio...."Happiness is an Inside Job!"
Budd Cochran - 02 Oct 2003 05:09 GMT Thanks, Ruthie.
Budd
>>From: Budd Cochran > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > and....... > Seen on a sign in rural Ohio...."Happiness is an Inside Job!" TerryR - 02 Oct 2003 03:41 GMT I had dry flakey skin in my hands and arms for years. I check my BG 8-10 times a day, and wash my hands at least that many times. I just read 36 posts in this thread, I've tried every remedy mentioned in those posts, none of them cured my dry skin on the back of my hands and arms. They would make it go away, but it returned as soon as I washed my hands and washed the grease off.
One day my daughter game me a bar of Dove exfoliating soap. The exfoliating soap has little blue specks in it that are said to rub off the dry skin. Well it works, after 3 days using it, my hands are "just like a babies bum"(?). No more ugly dry flaky skin. My 68 year old hands now look like 25 years old. Believe me, I was surprised that it worked, but it's been over 6 months, and it still works.
TerryR
> Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Budd EZGoinDm - 05 Oct 2003 20:08 GMT Are ALL diabetics dry skinned? I've always been on the oily side, to the point I can run a fingernail across my forehead and get a roll of oil on it..
>Ok, the big, fat, semi-macho, tough guy has a dumb question. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Budd Diabetics are sweet people! PS trade hotmail for jomama for e-mail
Budd Cochran - 06 Oct 2003 01:28 GMT I can too, but my feet are getting dryer and I figure the rest of me will soon follow if I don't start getting it under control.
Budd
> Are ALL diabetics dry skinned? I've always been on the oily side, to > the point I can run a fingernail across my forehead and get a roll of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Diabetics are sweet people! > PS trade hotmail for jomama for e-mail
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