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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / November 2005Friend claims supplement gave him diabetes until he stopped taking it.
A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it really helped his back, but then he developed diabetes. He said when he quit taking it his diabetes went away. I don't believe if he had diabetes it is now gone, but I wasn't going to argue with him. Especially since we is going to have a complete physical this week. I'm pretty sure his doctor will order an A1c with his blood work. I will be interested to hear if he does and what it shows. I don't think he's lost a large amount of weight which would explain a significant improvement so far as I know. I've only known him for about two years, so he may have. After our recent discussion about this supplement I just thought I'd run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out just how much it helps me arthritic joints.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 26, 2005 is 2,108. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosamine/Chondroitin for six months. He said it > really helped his back, but then he developed diabetes. He said when > he quit taking it his diabetes went away. Maybe he has also been taking steroids. >> A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his >back like I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Maybe he has also been taking steroids. LOL In his younger years when he was drinking, using and bull riding it would not have surprised me. He has been clean and sober for over twenty years now. Believe me, he is not the kind of guy you would want to be around if he was drunk or strung out. Clean and sober he is one of the most gentle and caring people there are. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 26, 2005 is 2,108. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 >>> A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his >>back like I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to be around if he was drunk or strung out. Clean and sober he is one > of the most gentle and caring people there are. Lol, I meant the sort for pain and inflammation etc ;) e.g. prednisone ;))))) >>>> A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his >>>back like I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Lol, I meant the sort for pain and inflammation etc ;) e.g. >prednisone ;))))) Oops. Sorry. We have never discussed what medications he takes for his OA. I do know that many days by evening he is unable to leave home even if he and his wife have planned to attend a meeting or event. There are a number of men in meetings I go to who have back problems and cannot tolerate setting for more than an hour. Some will get up and walk around while the meeting is still going on. Others will just leave when the setting becomes too painful. Our meetings are supposed to last one hour, but sometimes people become long winded and they can run on to an hour and a quarter or even more. A lot of us don't want to leave before the end of the meeting because the socialization after the meeting is just as important as the meeting itself. (An aside for you Ozgirl) We have our first snow this morning and it is pretty cold. I have to be a bit envious of those of you down under where your summer is just beginning. Oh well, we only have about four months of cold weather to look forward to. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 >(An aside for you Ozgirl) We have our first snow this morning and it >is pretty cold. I have to be a bit envious of those of you down under >where your summer is just beginning. Oh well, we only have about four >months of cold weather to look forward to. Winter was very cold here. I think it was on August 12th. I had to find my jacket. That's a little facetious, so to be accurate, I classify winter as the period when I have a doona(quilt) over the sheet (we sleep with the window open). So I suppose it was actually mid-July to late August. But I still only wore my jacket once apart from a trip to Melbourne. Ozgirl's a little further south, so she probably adds a couple of weeks each end of that:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>(An aside for you Ozgirl) We have our first snow this morning and it >>is pretty cold. I have to be a bit envious of those of you down under [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Winter was very cold here. I think it was on August 12th. I >had to find my jacket. Poor baby........... LOL >That's a little facetious, so to be accurate, I classify >winter as the period when I have a doona(quilt) over the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. So I would imagine you haven't seen any blizzards or twelve inch snows for a very long time except in your dreams. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 >>>(An aside for you Ozgirl) We have our first snow this morning and it >>>is pretty cold. I have to be a bit envious of those of you down under [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >So I would imagine you haven't seen any blizzards or twelve inch snows >for a very long time except in your dreams. ;-) I saw snow fall, and felt it fall on my face for the first time when I visited the Grand Canyon in 2003. We do have snowfields in Australia but they are up in the Snowy Mountains in Southern NSW and Northern Victoria. It does snow further north but only up in the higher mountains. Although, what we call a mountain, Chris would call a moderate hill. Our highest is under 8000 ft. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it > really helped his back, but then he developed diabetes. He said when > he quit taking it his diabetes went away. As I understand Glucosomene/Chondroiten is an amino-sugar and will most likely raise the blood glucose levels of the patient, diabetics need to be aware of this fact when taking this drug. Developing full-blown diabetes is not a listed side effect of Glucosomene/Chondroiten. HTH, Bastian. >> A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I >> am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >HTH, >Bastian. It has never effected mine at all. My doctor and I did a test where I went off it to see if my BG tests went down. It is another one of those YMMV things. To me it is well worth any minor risk in order to get the relief I get from it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... guess if I stop taking those horse pills, lol I'll be cured!! WHOOHOO! me thinks your friend might just be a bullshitter looking to make himself lookie like the big dog on the street. get my drift? had he been checked prior that you know of? hows he know he's been "cured"? Reisa. |A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I | am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out | just how much it helps me arthritic joints. > Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. > hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Reisa. On the same "logic" Grandpa's friend shows, I think I must have developed t1 diabetes when I started taking insulin!! Or maybe it's the glucosamine/chondroitin that started my arthritis!?? Alan H | > Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. | > hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | | Alan H lol see it's all that darn insulins fault!! btw, how you doing? recoup going nicely? give us a update please. Reisa >> Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. >> hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Alan H Hey Alan, you may have hit on something there. Hmm, do you suppose that is what Chung has been trying to get through to us all this time? LOL SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 >Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. >hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Reisa. LOL That is funny Reisa. If you knew Rick you would also know he doesn't have that kind of ego. He is a very humble and caring person. I just think he may be doing one of those jumping to a conclusion things. You know the kind where if I happen to eat shredded wheat some morning and have an accident later that day I blame the cereal so I never eat it again. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 | >Oh damn! so if I keep taking it guess i'll get diabetes too.. | >hmm well the good part to getting THAT type of diabetes... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | morning and have an accident later that day I blame the cereal so I | never eat it again. Yep... you're probably right about jumping to a conclusion then. I'd trust your judgement on your friend.. Sounds like a typical Iowa gent. Well.. maybe talk to him then.. lend him a meter and help him out.. educate him a wee bit.. can't hurt, you're pretty knowledgable now. Let us know how he's doing... and TY for the update.. Reisa > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it > really helped his back, but then he developed diabetes. He said when > he quit taking it his diabetes went away. Chuck, Since the Glucosamine/Condroiten combo is known to raise blood sugar, it is possible that taking the supplement pushed his fasting blood sugar up just high enough for his doctor to notice it. If that's the case, saying the diabetes "went away" just means that his fasting blood sugar at the lab is now 120 mg/dl not 126. I have heard quite a few tales of doctors who don't mention to patients that they have any problem until they get over that magic 126 mg/dl threshold. When the person reviews their blood tests they find that they were in the low 120s for a couple years. So you might want to have a chat with your friend about testing after meals and seeing what is really going on. If the problem is that he was marginal, it is only a matter of time until the diabetes "comes back." At that time, he may already have developed neuropathy from years of exposure to elevated blood sugars not quite high enough to reach the ADA's arbitrary diagnostic cut-off. --Jenny http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info >> A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I >> am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info >http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info That is an excellent idea Jenny. I didn't go to that meeting last night because the weather was nasty here, but plan to next Monday. If I see him and can get some time with him I will mention it to him. I don't know if he has a meter or not. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out > just how much it helps me arthritic joints. it is Supliscams again Supplements are not covered by the US Pure Food ad Drug Act. I can package ANYTHING and sell it as Glucosomine/Chondroiten if I use the magic word "supplement". It doesn't have to have any of either, and it is not tested or inspected in any way. Celery has to meet purity and content standards, but "supplements" don't. heaven knows WHAT was in the bottle x-n-no-archive: yes > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out > just how much it helps me arthritic joints. There have been some scientific studies finding that glucosamine increases insulin resistance. I believe I've posted abstracts in the past. I know it helped my friend's mother's pain til she had to stop taking it due to bg elevations. Susan I think your friend is mistaken, though I have a friend that was taking steroids for a breathing problem, and the steroid induced diabetes (what the doctors said) seems not to be a problem now that he's stopped taking the steroids. Could be something like that. -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message ... >A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I >am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it >really helped his back, but then he developed diabetes. He said when >he quit taking it his diabetes went away. > A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I > am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out > just how much it helps me arthritic joints. I don't know if this supplement could cause diabetes or raise BG in a non-diabetic. But I've read cautions that it *can* raise BG in diabetics. My elderly diabetic friend has found this is the case with him, but his Dr. simply increased his meds to knock down the higher BG. Without taking this supplement, my friend is in so much pain and is so stiff, he can't function at all. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I >am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >run this one by you all. It didn't take too long for me to find out >just how much it helps me arthritic joints. Chuck, did your friend mention how he was taking the Glucosamine? My Mother tried it a couple of years ago, a preparation in a fruit drink pre-mixed in a can. It thus contained loads of sugar. >>A friend of mine who is plagued by osteoarthritis in his back like I >>am told me he took Glucosomene/Chondroiten for six months. He said it [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Mother tried it a couple of years ago, a preparation in a fruit drink >pre-mixed in a can. It thus contained loads of sugar. No he didn't. I guess I thought he was just taking those huge pills. I will have to ask him. I have seen those preparations like you mother used, but never considered one because they are so high priced. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 29, 2005 is 2,110. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 |
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