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Charles - 22 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT
How can you not love a country like ours.
Subject: Only in America

Before deploying from Savannah, Georgia to Iraq by a chartered airliner; the
troops of the 48th Brigade Combat Team, a National Guard unit, had to go
through the same security checks that civilian passengers are required to
follow prior to boarding the aircraft.
LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that
FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those
things," he said, almost apologetically, "put them in this box now."
After passing this inspection the troops were allowed to get on the aircraft
with their assault rifles, body armor, helmets, pistols, bayonets and combat
shotguns.

Note:  I'll bet they would take your syringes and lancets also.

Charlie........................worked for the govt all my life.

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Nicky - 22 Nov 2005 18:46 GMT
> LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that
> FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> combat
> shotguns.

ROFL! Love it! : )

Nicky.

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guy - 22 Nov 2005 22:05 GMT
The insanity of some military leadera are well documented.  The attribute of
sounding
rational while being willling to send others
to their death is the primary requirement.
Unfortunately this type is necessary due
to our lack of rational behavior.

We see some good examples here.

>> LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that
>> FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Nicky.
Alan S - 22 Nov 2005 22:47 GMT
>FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
>knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those
>things," he said, almost apologetically, "put them in this box now."
>After passing this inspection the troops were allowed to get on the aircraft
>with their assault rifles, body armor, helmets, pistols, bayonets and combat
>shotguns.

The sad thing is that I'm sure it's a factual story. The TSA
is an incredibly expensive exercise in PR.

Any experienced traveler can see the holes; if we can then
the terrorists certainly can.

Unfortunately, airport security obtuseness isn't "only in
America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad -
incidents around the world:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/23/1069522472954.html
November 24, 2003
"New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark was frisked at
Sydney Airport for explosives in an incident that has
embarrassed the Australian Government.
Despite having a NZ security officer with her, Miss Clark
was pulled out of a queue on October 28 and given a body
scan with a new explosives detection device to make sure she
was not a bomb-carrying terrorist"

Most here will remember discussing this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm
"A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.
Cliff Salmons, 58, was told it could have posed a security
risk because he did not have a doctor's letter to explain
it.
Mr Salmons, a sales manager from Liss, Hampshire, had to
leave the BA flight in Hong Kong and wait for a later
service with a different airline.
BA has defended its decision, saying the rules on syringes
are well known."

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Charles - 22 Nov 2005 23:23 GMT
> >FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
> >knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> --
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Alan, I have traveled a lot on cruises, trips to CA etc.  I guess I have
been
fortunate as I have never been checked in my 34 years of carrying everything
a T-1
needs.  I do have an old doctors letter in my carry on bag.  I always put in
the
flattened insulin boxes with my name and dosage amounts. If they catch me
with a plastic
disposable razor would I be accused of contemplating, "shaving someone to
death."  I
think I could do more damage with a round tooth pick.

Charlie
Frank - 23 Nov 2005 01:35 GMT
>>>FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket
>>>knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>
> Charlie

Or perhaps a wine bottle, ball point pen, or the metal fork they give
you on intl. flights.
Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 04:21 GMT
>If they catch me
>with a plastic disposable razor would I be accused of contemplating, "shaving someone to
>death."  I think I could do more damage with a round tooth pick.

True story: Not long after 9-11, I had my first experience with
"enhanced" airline security. I spent half an hour in the security line
watching the screeners confiscate everything from nail clippers to
knitting needles (perhaps they were afraid that one of the little old
ladies might knit an Afghan?). Then it was my turn, and they ran my
bag through the scanner. In the bag was a laptop computer with extra
cables, charger, batteries, etc. They didn't even look in the bag, let
alone ask me to turn on the computer.

Given that a lithium battery looks a heck of a lot like semtex on
scanners, and that the metal parts obscured a lot, I found this to be
pathetic.

Worse was to come. After the delayed take-off (due in part to the
diligent confiscating of nail clippers) we were served dinner. I
ordered the Steak. It was served with both a real steak knife, and a
long-stemmed champaign glass made of real glass. I remarked on this
security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they
have plastic cutlery in Economy". I guess she assumed that terrorists
only fly coach?!?!

Oh, I did have a stroll back to coach. True enough, plastic cutlery,
and plastic glasses. But, the wine was in mini-wine bottles, made of
glass, and thus better potential weapons than box cutters IMHO.

Somehow, I'd expected better from a program costing 5.3 Billion a
year.  Silly me.
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 07:25 GMT
> I remarked on this
>security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they
>have plastic cutlery in Economy". I guess she assumed that terrorists
>only fly coach?!?!

Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically
because it was closer to the crew cabin.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 17:56 GMT
>> I remarked on this
>>security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically
>because it was closer to the crew cabin.

Heh.. I pointed out that very fact to the stewardess. All I got was a
blank look in return.
None Given - 26 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT
> >Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically
> >because it was closer to the crew cabin.
>
> Heh.. I pointed out that very fact to the stewardess. All I got was a
> blank look in return.

DS flies out of Logan (the airport that two of the crashed planes took off
from) when he comes to visit, he said the metal detector at our nearby
airport here picks up things that the detector at Logan never does, like
when he forgets to take off his cell phone before going through.

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Judanne - 23 Nov 2005 23:35 GMT
The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove
his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport.  Almost caused an
international incident!!

Judanne

> Unfortunately, airport security obtuseness isn't "only in
> America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad -
> incidents around the world:
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 00:04 GMT
>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove
>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport.  Almost caused an
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad -
>> incidents around the world:

It did cause one. Not a bad record for the Prime Ministers
of our two nearest neighbours and friends.

Imagine what we do to the ones we don't like:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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VBH - 24 Nov 2005 13:15 GMT
>>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove
>>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport.  Almost caused an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

I'll email a warning to a certain Liz Windsor this afternoon ;)

VBH
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 21:42 GMT
>>>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove
>>>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport.  Almost caused an
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>VBH

Personally, I wouldn't let her land here until we become a
republic.

In July '03 I was standing by her car door, less than two
feet from Phil and the width of the car from her, by
Edinburgh Cathedral after an Order of the Thistle
investiture.

Just as well I believe in non-violent resolution of
problems. To me she's the head of state of a foreign land;
unfortunately to my Constitution she's also the head of
state of this one.

Vive le Republique:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Ozgirl - 24 Nov 2005 22:26 GMT
> Vive le Republique:-)

I'd rather the devil we know than the devil we don't ;)
(devil here being monarchy or republic - Lizzie ain't a bad
old chook). I don't want to visualise Queen Camilla....
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 23:16 GMT
>> Vive le Republique:-)
>
>I'd rather the devil we know than the devil we don't ;)
>(devil here being monarchy or republic - Lizzie ain't a bad
>old chook). I don't want to visualise Queen Camilla....

Or King Charlie:-(

Maybe we can discuss politics in person. I'll be staying at
Avoca Beach Villas on the night of the 15th December.

I changed phones and lost your number. email me?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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VBH - 25 Nov 2005 13:15 GMT
>>>Vive le Republique:-)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Well if you are going to become a republic I am going to be jealous ;)

Unfortunately we are still a monarchy.  Someone should really remind
President Tony of that sometime ;)

VBH
Ozgirl - 25 Nov 2005 23:20 GMT
>>>>Vive le Republique:-)
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Unfortunately we are still a monarchy.  Someone should really remind
> President Tony of that sometime ;)

Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a
republic.
Alan S - 26 Nov 2005 00:13 GMT
>Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a
>republic.

Even if I headed the "Jan for President" campaign?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan S - 27 Nov 2005 08:07 GMT
>>>>>Vive le Republique:-)
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a
>republic.

Hi Ozgirl

Did you watch the ABC tonight?

How about King Michael of Jerilderie, our legitimate
Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I
presume the show was a repeat.

http://members.tripod.com/~midgley/abney_hastings.html
http://www.brisinst.org.au/resources/murray_jacqui_kingmichael.html

Also, Nicky, Beav, Bastian et al - your legitimate monarch
too:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Ozgirl - 27 Nov 2005 12:28 GMT
> Hi Ozgirl
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I
> presume the show was a repeat.

Lol. Only thing I saw was a Kath & Kim special :)
Chris J. - 27 Nov 2005 16:58 GMT
>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>
>How about King Michael of Jerilderie, our legitimate
>Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I
>presume the show was a repeat.

>http://members.tripod.com/~midgley/abney_hastings.html
>http://www.brisinst.org.au/resources/murray_jacqui_kingmichael.html
>
>Also, Nicky, Beav, Bastian et al - your legitimate monarch
>too:-)

Alan, this is preposterous! How on earth could someone not raised to
do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an
untrained  newcomer could ever aspire to the rarified heights of
debauchery, ineptitude, hedonism, egotism, and social faux-passes that
are the requisite daily life of the Monarchy?

:-)
Alan S - 27 Nov 2005 23:13 GMT
>>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>:-)

Hi Chris - and Ozgirl and all the brits:-)

Actually, when they asked King Michael whether he wanted to
challenge for the title that is legitimately his (he's
already officially an Earl), he commented that he didn't
want it. He was more than happy with his lifestyle in
Jerilderie, which is a tiny (pop 1100) outback town. King
Michael is a councillor, so he probably assisted with this
page:
http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/
In fact, he appears here:
http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/council/1014/1017.html
Cr Michael Abney-Hastings (B Ward)

That tends to belie the theory from some sources that it is
an elaborate joke. He is a real person, not an actor. The
historian who presented the show is quite legitimate. I'm
not so sure that Prince Zack (a grandson) will feel the same
about claiming the title when he grows up. Could be
interesting in twenty years time:-)

Personally, I find the concept that someone's genealogy
gives them the right to rule over me an anachronism and
distasteful at best. But I'd love to see the chaos that
would ensue in the aristocracy if a challenge was formally
presented; imagine, just as one aspect, the effect on the
validity of English laws assented to by the Crown over the
past 500 years.

One thing I did notice about the King; he is 62 and his
shape is very similar to the one I used to have. Maybe he
lurks here.

Now that I've seen the show, I'll no longer be referring to
Mrs Windsor, or any of her family, as royalty:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Chris J. - 27 Nov 2005 23:42 GMT
>On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J.

>>Alan, this is preposterous! How on earth could someone not raised to
>>do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>want it. He was more than happy with his lifestyle in
>Jerilderie, which is a tiny (pop 1100) outback town.

He prefers living in the outback to living in pomp and circumstance in
a city? OK, he's got my vote!!!

King
>Michael is a councillor, so he probably assisted with this
>page:
>http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/
>In fact, he appears here:
>http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/council/1014/1017.html
>Cr Michael Abney-Hastings (B Ward)

I do hope he changed his number before all this publicity!

>That tends to belie the theory from some sources that it is
>an elaborate joke. He is a real person, not an actor. The
>historian who presented the show is quite legitimate. I'm
>not so sure that Prince Zack (a grandson) will feel the same
>about claiming the title when he grows up. Could be
>interesting in twenty years time:-)

It would be difficult, as he would need to disprove the paternity of
King Edward. Unless there are extant remains upon which a DNA test
could be done, it would be merely impossible to prove beyond doubt.

Besides, the British monarchy hasn't always been scrupleless about
honoring the true hereditary line.

Would sure be interesting though! :-)

>Personally, I find the concept that someone's genealogy
>gives them the right to rule over me an anachronism and
>distasteful at best.

Absolutely agreed!!!

>One thing I did notice about the King; he is 62 and his
>shape is very similar to the one I used to have. Maybe he
>lurks here.

Or, perhaps he already posts here, but merely obfuscates himself
slightly.

He would be identifiable by his vigorous dislike of the British
Monarch and it's rule over Australia, due to his resentment of the
usurpers of the throne that is rightfully his. Thus, he would
enthusiastically support Australia becoming a republic.

Think about it... Maybe he just picked another small town in NSW to be
"from"... say, Pottsville Beach?

Now, what ASD regular fits the profile... Hmmmm... Any thoughts, your
majesty?

> I'll no longer be referring to
>Mrs Windsor, or any of her family, as royalty:-)

Yes, yes, I think this fits.....
Alan S - 28 Nov 2005 00:08 GMT
<snip>

>It would be difficult, as he would need to disprove the paternity of
>King Edward. Unless there are extant remains upon which a DNA test
>could be done, it would be merely impossible to prove beyond doubt.

Not at all.

The historian showed, using old records, that Edward IV's
dad was away in a war for many weeks either side of
conception date.

It doesn't matter who his real father was, just that it
wasn't the King. Thus, he was a bastard and someone else was
the real heir, Then it's a matter of tracing that line -
which led to King Michael.

>Besides, the British monarchy hasn't always been scrupleless about
>honoring the true hereditary line.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Yes, yes, I think this fits.....

Hi Chris

Afraid not. I'd claim it - just to get the free jaunts
around the world using the King's Flight.

And by now I'd have turned every country in the Commonwealth
into a republic - including the UK:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Chris J. - 28 Nov 2005 03:01 GMT
><snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>the real heir, Then it's a matter of tracing that line -
>which led to King Michael.

The problem is that it's at least possible that the Duke of York
(later King (Edward III) paid an unrecorded visit to his wife, as it
was IIRC a 5 day march. Unless they could show proof that the Duke was
never absent from the deployment area for that period, it's not
conclusive proof. The Duke, theoretically, could have ridden to Rouen
(where his wife was) and turned around and ridden back towards Paris
and the battle five minutes later. I note that it was described as
five day's *march*, but it would be much shorter then that on a chain
of waiting fresh horses. So, if it was possible that it could be done
if 48 hours each way, then unless they could prove, by unchallenged
records, that the Duke was not absent from the deployment area for
four days, then there would still be a lack of conclusive proof.

They would also need to rule out, beyond doubt, a short or long
Pregnancy.

I certainly agree that the historian is probably correct, but
providing ironclad proof would be difficult indeed.

>Hi Chris
>
>Afraid not. I'd claim it - just to get the free jaunts
>around the world using the King's Flight.

Rats... I was so hoping I'd have literal cause to call you a Royal
pain in the A... (just kidding!)

>And by now I'd have turned every country in the Commonwealth
>into a republic - including the UK:-)

Several of my British relatives are totally in favor of continuing the
monarchy, PROVIDED that the right of succession is removed. In other
words, no Monarch (or official royalty) after QEII.
Nicky - 28 Nov 2005 08:54 GMT
> Or, perhaps he already posts here, but merely obfuscates himself
> slightly.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Think about it... Maybe he just picked another small town in NSW to be
> "from"... say, Pottsville Beach?

ROFL!! Like it : )

Nicky.

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Ma¢k - 28 Nov 2005 21:38 GMT
>>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>:-)

uhh, Princess Diana?

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Nicky - 28 Nov 2005 22:27 GMT
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, this is preposterous!
> How on earth could someone not raised to
>>do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an
>>untrained  newcomer could ever aspire to the rarified heights of
>>debauchery, ineptitude, hedonism, egotism, and social faux-passes that
>>are the requisite daily life of the Monarchy?

> uhh, Princess Diana?

The daughter of an Earl. She would have been some remote person in the line
of succession herself.

Nicky.

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RK - 29 Nov 2005 00:34 GMT
| > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, this is preposterous!
| > How on earth could someone not raised to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
|
| Nicky.

Danni's dogs name is "Princess"... wonder if she's in line?
Lou@GoForIt.net - 29 Nov 2005 09:24 GMT
snipped

> "I don't know half of you
>  half as well as I should like;
>  and I like less than half of you
>  half as well as you deserve."

Interesting quote.  From whence please?

Lou
Ma¢k - 29 Nov 2005 19:08 GMT
>snipped
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Lou

Tolkien

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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        (o o)  
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

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VBH - 30 Nov 2005 09:54 GMT
>>snipped
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
> Tolkien

Bilbo's speech before leaving the Shire.  Fellowship of the Ring.  Stuck
the DVD on the other day and thought "where have I heard that recently?"
and didn't twig till you asked Mack about it.
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VBH - 29 Nov 2005 10:11 GMT
>>>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> uhh, Princess Diana?

Saint Diana?  Surely shome mistake.... ;)

VBH
Ma¢k - 29 Nov 2005 19:10 GMT
>>>>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>VBH

well comparing her behavior in life to that of some of the other
"saints" when they were alive, I guess she's as good candidate as any
of the others.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

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VBH - 30 Nov 2005 09:51 GMT
>>>>>Did you watch the ABC tonight?
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> "saints" when they were alive, I guess she's as good candidate as any
> of the others.

Shortly after her death there was some attempt to elevate her to
sainthood.  Obviously the criteria to qualify must be lower than I
thought.  But there was an element of forgetting all the negatives the
moment she was dead.

But when it comes to social faux-pas, its her FIL that is unbeatable.
There's almost a kind of genius in it.
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Vicki Beausoleil - 25 Nov 2005 00:28 GMT
> >>>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove
> >>>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport.  Almost caused an
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> --
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

And a bloody expensive one when it's required to have a GG.

Pfffft.

Yup, vive le republique.

Vicki
Wes Groleau - 24 Nov 2005 03:37 GMT
Alan S quoted:
> "New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark was frisked at
> Sydney Airport for explosives in an incident that has
> embarrassed the Australian Government.

and

> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.

On the other hand, going home from my grandfather's
funeral, I had a fancy hand-tool from his collection
in my bag.  When I saw it in the x-ray monitor, I was
sure I was in for some trouble, because it looked exactly
like a Luger (gun).  But the guards watching the monitor
said nothing.

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Ma¢k - 24 Nov 2005 04:06 GMT
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:37:17 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.

describe the kit.  was it one of the older metal ones or one of the
plastic ones?

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right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 07:27 GMT
>>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
>>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.
>
>describe the kit.  was it one of the older metal ones or one of the
>plastic ones?

Read for yourself, or google for more detail:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Ma¢k - 24 Nov 2005 08:00 GMT
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S
<loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following
into the madness of usenet:

>>>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
>>>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

not by the security screeners.

and how many times in here have we discussed this issue and always
said, carry a doctors note just in case?

Diabetic man forced off BA flight  
A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight because he was
carrying an insulin injection kit.
Cliff Salmons, 58, was told it could have posed a security risk
because he did not have a doctor's letter to explain it.

Mr Salmons, a sales manager from Liss, Hampshire, had to leave the BA
flight in Hong Kong and wait for a later service with a different
airline.

BA has defended its decision, saying the rules on syringes are well
known.

Mr Salmons had gone through check in and boarded the aircraft when
flight attendants found that he had a small case of needles as part of
his hand luggage

He was told that without a doctor's note to verify his condition, the
needles would have to be stored in the baggage hold.

Mr Salmons refused, explaining that he was an insulin-dependent
diabetic who would die unless he could take his medication on the
13-hour flight home.

A BA spokeswoman told BBC News that a member of cabin crew offered to
return to the terminal building with him to find a doctor who could
provide him with a note enabling him to board a later flight.

But Mr Salmons instead continued his journey with Cathay Pacific,
according to the spokeswoman.

She told BBC News: "We apologise to Mr Salmons for his experience, but
any passengers carrying needles on our aircraft must have a letter
from a doctor to verify their condition."

If he had the damn letter from a doc like he knew he should have had,
there would have been no problem.  As small as our syringe needles are
it is still possible to use them to spread biological agents.  The
letter is no real gauruntee as they can be forged, but they have to
draw a line somewhere.

His stupidity, his lazyness, his inconvenience.

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RK - 24 Nov 2005 11:26 GMT
| On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S
| <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
|
| His stupidity, his lazyness, his inconvenience.

exactly, takes no longer to get a note from your doctor then it does
to ask for extra prescriptions, "just in case".

hopefully Jim Dumas on mhd doesn't encounter troubles on his flight
coming up, he's been warned to get a dr note, but states he doesn't want
to bother his doctor for it, and will just play d'uh at the security.  ---  
this
is WHY the lines are held up often...

Okay, gripe over. .

Happy Turkey day for those celebrating it.
VBH - 24 Nov 2005 13:17 GMT
> | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S
> | <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>
> Happy Turkey day for those celebrating it.

Get in in A5 format and laminate it.

Frequent travelling leaves it a bit dog-eared.

VBH
RK - 24 Nov 2005 13:25 GMT
| > | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S
| > | <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
| > coming up, he's been warned to get a dr note, but states he doesn't want
| > to bother his doctor for it, and will just play d'uh at the
ecurity.  ---
| > this
| > is WHY the lines are held up often...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
|
| VBH

A5 format?

Laminate it? I have it neatly folded and it's tucked away in
the side pocket of my pump supplies carrying case.  I also
keep updated extra prescriptions there as well for emergencys.

Reisa.
Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 18:35 GMT
>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight
>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>like a Luger (gun).  But the guards watching the monitor
>said nothing.

Well, of course! Everyone knows that a gun looks nothing like toenail
clippers, so why would they let a gun distract them from their true
goal?

:-)  
Ma¢k - 23 Nov 2005 03:15 GMT
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:19:52 -0500, "Charles"
<charlesowens39@comcast.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

>How can you not love a country like ours.
>Subject: Only in America
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Note:  I'll bet they would take your syringes and lancets also.

nope.  the FAA does not interfere with diabetics like that.

>Charlie........................worked for the govt all my life.

really?  even before the legal age to work?

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--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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