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Charles - 22 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT How can you not love a country like ours. Subject: Only in America
Before deploying from Savannah, Georgia to Iraq by a chartered airliner; the troops of the 48th Brigade Combat Team, a National Guard unit, had to go through the same security checks that civilian passengers are required to follow prior to boarding the aircraft. LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those things," he said, almost apologetically, "put them in this box now." After passing this inspection the troops were allowed to get on the aircraft with their assault rifles, body armor, helmets, pistols, bayonets and combat shotguns.
Note: I'll bet they would take your syringes and lancets also.
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Nicky - 22 Nov 2005 18:46 GMT > LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that > FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > combat > shotguns. ROFL! Love it! : )
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guy - 22 Nov 2005 22:05 GMT The insanity of some military leadera are well documented. The attribute of sounding rational while being willling to send others to their death is the primary requirement. Unfortunately this type is necessary due to our lack of rational behavior.
We see some good examples here.
>> LtCol. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers that >> FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Nicky. Alan S - 22 Nov 2005 22:47 GMT >FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket >knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those >things," he said, almost apologetically, "put them in this box now." >After passing this inspection the troops were allowed to get on the aircraft >with their assault rifles, body armor, helmets, pistols, bayonets and combat >shotguns. The sad thing is that I'm sure it's a factual story. The TSA is an incredibly expensive exercise in PR.
Any experienced traveler can see the holes; if we can then the terrorists certainly can.
Unfortunately, airport security obtuseness isn't "only in America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad - incidents around the world:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/23/1069522472954.html November 24, 2003 "New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark was frisked at Sydney Airport for explosives in an incident that has embarrassed the Australian Government. Despite having a NZ security officer with her, Miss Clark was pulled out of a queue on October 28 and given a body scan with a new explosives detection device to make sure she was not a bomb-carrying terrorist"
Most here will remember discussing this story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. Cliff Salmons, 58, was told it could have posed a security risk because he did not have a doctor's letter to explain it. Mr Salmons, a sales manager from Liss, Hampshire, had to leave the BA flight in Hong Kong and wait for a later service with a different airline. BA has defended its decision, saying the rules on syringes are well known."
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Charles - 22 Nov 2005 23:23 GMT > >FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket > >knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of those [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > -- > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Alan, I have traveled a lot on cruises, trips to CA etc. I guess I have been fortunate as I have never been checked in my 34 years of carrying everything a T-1 needs. I do have an old doctors letter in my carry on bag. I always put in the flattened insulin boxes with my name and dosage amounts. If they catch me with a plastic disposable razor would I be accused of contemplating, "shaving someone to death." I think I could do more damage with a round tooth pick.
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Frank - 23 Nov 2005 01:35 GMT >>>FAA anti-hijacking regulations required passengers to surrender pocket >>>knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Charlie Or perhaps a wine bottle, ball point pen, or the metal fork they give you on intl. flights.
Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 04:21 GMT >If they catch me >with a plastic disposable razor would I be accused of contemplating, "shaving someone to >death." I think I could do more damage with a round tooth pick. True story: Not long after 9-11, I had my first experience with "enhanced" airline security. I spent half an hour in the security line watching the screeners confiscate everything from nail clippers to knitting needles (perhaps they were afraid that one of the little old ladies might knit an Afghan?). Then it was my turn, and they ran my bag through the scanner. In the bag was a laptop computer with extra cables, charger, batteries, etc. They didn't even look in the bag, let alone ask me to turn on the computer.
Given that a lithium battery looks a heck of a lot like semtex on scanners, and that the metal parts obscured a lot, I found this to be pathetic.
Worse was to come. After the delayed take-off (due in part to the diligent confiscating of nail clippers) we were served dinner. I ordered the Steak. It was served with both a real steak knife, and a long-stemmed champaign glass made of real glass. I remarked on this security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they have plastic cutlery in Economy". I guess she assumed that terrorists only fly coach?!?!
Oh, I did have a stroll back to coach. True enough, plastic cutlery, and plastic glasses. But, the wine was in mini-wine bottles, made of glass, and thus better potential weapons than box cutters IMHO.
Somehow, I'd expected better from a program costing 5.3 Billion a year. Silly me.
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 07:25 GMT > I remarked on this >security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they >have plastic cutlery in Economy". I guess she assumed that terrorists >only fly coach?!?! Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically because it was closer to the crew cabin.
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Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 17:56 GMT >> I remarked on this >>security incongruity to a stewardess, who assured me "It's ok, they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically >because it was closer to the crew cabin. Heh.. I pointed out that very fact to the stewardess. All I got was a blank look in return.
None Given - 26 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT > >Most of the 9/11 terrorists flew up front. Specifically > >because it was closer to the crew cabin. > > Heh.. I pointed out that very fact to the stewardess. All I got was a > blank look in return. DS flies out of Logan (the airport that two of the crashed planes took off from) when he comes to visit, he said the metal detector at our nearby airport here picks up things that the detector at Logan never does, like when he forgets to take off his cell phone before going through.
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Judanne - 23 Nov 2005 23:35 GMT The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport. Almost caused an international incident!!
Judanne
> Unfortunately, airport security obtuseness isn't "only in > America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad - > incidents around the world: Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 00:04 GMT >The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove >his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport. Almost caused an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> America". These are a couple of many other silly - or sad - >> incidents around the world: It did cause one. Not a bad record for the Prime Ministers of our two nearest neighbours and friends.
Imagine what we do to the ones we don't like:-)
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VBH - 24 Nov 2005 13:15 GMT >>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove >>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport. Almost caused an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. I'll email a warning to a certain Liz Windsor this afternoon ;)
VBH
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 21:42 GMT >>>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove >>>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport. Almost caused an [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >VBH Personally, I wouldn't let her land here until we become a republic.
In July '03 I was standing by her car door, less than two feet from Phil and the width of the car from her, by Edinburgh Cathedral after an Order of the Thistle investiture.
Just as well I believe in non-violent resolution of problems. To me she's the head of state of a foreign land; unfortunately to my Constitution she's also the head of state of this one.
Vive le Republique:-)
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Ozgirl - 24 Nov 2005 22:26 GMT > Vive le Republique:-) I'd rather the devil we know than the devil we don't ;) (devil here being monarchy or republic - Lizzie ain't a bad old chook). I don't want to visualise Queen Camilla....
Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 23:16 GMT >> Vive le Republique:-) > >I'd rather the devil we know than the devil we don't ;) >(devil here being monarchy or republic - Lizzie ain't a bad >old chook). I don't want to visualise Queen Camilla.... Or King Charlie:-(
Maybe we can discuss politics in person. I'll be staying at Avoca Beach Villas on the night of the 15th December.
I changed phones and lost your number. email me?
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VBH - 25 Nov 2005 13:15 GMT >>>Vive le Republique:-) >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Well if you are going to become a republic I am going to be jealous ;)
Unfortunately we are still a monarchy. Someone should really remind President Tony of that sometime ;)
VBH
Ozgirl - 25 Nov 2005 23:20 GMT >>>>Vive le Republique:-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Unfortunately we are still a monarchy. Someone should really remind > President Tony of that sometime ;) Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a republic.
Alan S - 26 Nov 2005 00:13 GMT >Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a >republic. Even if I headed the "Jan for President" campaign?
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Alan S - 27 Nov 2005 08:07 GMT >>>>>Vive le Republique:-) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Lol :) But seriously, I would hate for us to become a >republic. Hi Ozgirl
Did you watch the ABC tonight?
How about King Michael of Jerilderie, our legitimate Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I presume the show was a repeat.
http://members.tripod.com/~midgley/abney_hastings.html http://www.brisinst.org.au/resources/murray_jacqui_kingmichael.html
Also, Nicky, Beav, Bastian et al - your legitimate monarch too:-)
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Ozgirl - 27 Nov 2005 12:28 GMT > Hi Ozgirl > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I > presume the show was a repeat. Lol. Only thing I saw was a Kath & Kim special :)
Chris J. - 27 Nov 2005 16:58 GMT >Did you watch the ABC tonight? > >How about King Michael of Jerilderie, our legitimate >Monarch? I believe this was first claimed in late '03, so I >presume the show was a repeat.
>http://members.tripod.com/~midgley/abney_hastings.html >http://www.brisinst.org.au/resources/murray_jacqui_kingmichael.html > >Also, Nicky, Beav, Bastian et al - your legitimate monarch >too:-) Alan, this is preposterous! How on earth could someone not raised to do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an untrained newcomer could ever aspire to the rarified heights of debauchery, ineptitude, hedonism, egotism, and social faux-passes that are the requisite daily life of the Monarchy?
:-) Alan S - 27 Nov 2005 23:13 GMT >>Did you watch the ABC tonight? >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >:-) Hi Chris - and Ozgirl and all the brits:-)
Actually, when they asked King Michael whether he wanted to challenge for the title that is legitimately his (he's already officially an Earl), he commented that he didn't want it. He was more than happy with his lifestyle in Jerilderie, which is a tiny (pop 1100) outback town. King Michael is a councillor, so he probably assisted with this page: http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/ In fact, he appears here: http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/council/1014/1017.html Cr Michael Abney-Hastings (B Ward)
That tends to belie the theory from some sources that it is an elaborate joke. He is a real person, not an actor. The historian who presented the show is quite legitimate. I'm not so sure that Prince Zack (a grandson) will feel the same about claiming the title when he grows up. Could be interesting in twenty years time:-)
Personally, I find the concept that someone's genealogy gives them the right to rule over me an anachronism and distasteful at best. But I'd love to see the chaos that would ensue in the aristocracy if a challenge was formally presented; imagine, just as one aspect, the effect on the validity of English laws assented to by the Crown over the past 500 years.
One thing I did notice about the King; he is 62 and his shape is very similar to the one I used to have. Maybe he lurks here.
Now that I've seen the show, I'll no longer be referring to Mrs Windsor, or any of her family, as royalty:-)
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Chris J. - 27 Nov 2005 23:42 GMT >On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J.
>>Alan, this is preposterous! How on earth could someone not raised to >>do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >want it. He was more than happy with his lifestyle in >Jerilderie, which is a tiny (pop 1100) outback town. He prefers living in the outback to living in pomp and circumstance in a city? OK, he's got my vote!!!
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>Michael is a councillor, so he probably assisted with this >page: >http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/ >In fact, he appears here: >http://jerilderie.local-e.nsw.gov.au/council/1014/1017.html >Cr Michael Abney-Hastings (B Ward) I do hope he changed his number before all this publicity!
>That tends to belie the theory from some sources that it is >an elaborate joke. He is a real person, not an actor. The >historian who presented the show is quite legitimate. I'm >not so sure that Prince Zack (a grandson) will feel the same >about claiming the title when he grows up. Could be >interesting in twenty years time:-) It would be difficult, as he would need to disprove the paternity of King Edward. Unless there are extant remains upon which a DNA test could be done, it would be merely impossible to prove beyond doubt.
Besides, the British monarchy hasn't always been scrupleless about honoring the true hereditary line.
Would sure be interesting though! :-)
>Personally, I find the concept that someone's genealogy >gives them the right to rule over me an anachronism and >distasteful at best. Absolutely agreed!!!
>One thing I did notice about the King; he is 62 and his >shape is very similar to the one I used to have. Maybe he >lurks here. Or, perhaps he already posts here, but merely obfuscates himself slightly.
He would be identifiable by his vigorous dislike of the British Monarch and it's rule over Australia, due to his resentment of the usurpers of the throne that is rightfully his. Thus, he would enthusiastically support Australia becoming a republic.
Think about it... Maybe he just picked another small town in NSW to be "from"... say, Pottsville Beach?
Now, what ASD regular fits the profile... Hmmmm... Any thoughts, your majesty?
> I'll no longer be referring to >Mrs Windsor, or any of her family, as royalty:-) Yes, yes, I think this fits.....
Alan S - 28 Nov 2005 00:08 GMT <snip>
>It would be difficult, as he would need to disprove the paternity of >King Edward. Unless there are extant remains upon which a DNA test >could be done, it would be merely impossible to prove beyond doubt. Not at all.
The historian showed, using old records, that Edward IV's dad was away in a war for many weeks either side of conception date.
It doesn't matter who his real father was, just that it wasn't the King. Thus, he was a bastard and someone else was the real heir, Then it's a matter of tracing that line - which led to King Michael.
>Besides, the British monarchy hasn't always been scrupleless about >honoring the true hereditary line. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Yes, yes, I think this fits..... Hi Chris
Afraid not. I'd claim it - just to get the free jaunts around the world using the King's Flight.
And by now I'd have turned every country in the Commonwealth into a republic - including the UK:-)
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Chris J. - 28 Nov 2005 03:01 GMT ><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the real heir, Then it's a matter of tracing that line - >which led to King Michael. The problem is that it's at least possible that the Duke of York (later King (Edward III) paid an unrecorded visit to his wife, as it was IIRC a 5 day march. Unless they could show proof that the Duke was never absent from the deployment area for that period, it's not conclusive proof. The Duke, theoretically, could have ridden to Rouen (where his wife was) and turned around and ridden back towards Paris and the battle five minutes later. I note that it was described as five day's *march*, but it would be much shorter then that on a chain of waiting fresh horses. So, if it was possible that it could be done if 48 hours each way, then unless they could prove, by unchallenged records, that the Duke was not absent from the deployment area for four days, then there would still be a lack of conclusive proof.
They would also need to rule out, beyond doubt, a short or long Pregnancy.
I certainly agree that the historian is probably correct, but providing ironclad proof would be difficult indeed.
>Hi Chris > >Afraid not. I'd claim it - just to get the free jaunts >around the world using the King's Flight. Rats... I was so hoping I'd have literal cause to call you a Royal pain in the A... (just kidding!)
>And by now I'd have turned every country in the Commonwealth >into a republic - including the UK:-) Several of my British relatives are totally in favor of continuing the monarchy, PROVIDED that the right of succession is removed. In other words, no Monarch (or official royalty) after QEII.
Nicky - 28 Nov 2005 08:54 GMT > Or, perhaps he already posts here, but merely obfuscates himself > slightly. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Think about it... Maybe he just picked another small town in NSW to be > "from"... say, Pottsville Beach? ROFL!! Like it : )
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Ma¢k - 28 Nov 2005 21:38 GMT >>Did you watch the ABC tonight? >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >:-) uhh, Princess Diana?
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Nicky - 28 Nov 2005 22:27 GMT > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, this is preposterous! > How on earth could someone not raised to >>do the job actually do it? How can you possibly think that an >>untrained newcomer could ever aspire to the rarified heights of >>debauchery, ineptitude, hedonism, egotism, and social faux-passes that >>are the requisite daily life of the Monarchy?
> uhh, Princess Diana? The daughter of an Earl. She would have been some remote person in the line of succession herself.
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RK - 29 Nov 2005 00:34 GMT | > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:58:37 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, this is preposterous! | > How on earth could someone not raised to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | | Nicky. Danni's dogs name is "Princess"... wonder if she's in line?
Lou@GoForIt.net - 29 Nov 2005 09:24 GMT snipped
> "I don't know half of you > half as well as I should like; > and I like less than half of you > half as well as you deserve." Interesting quote. From whence please?
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Ma¢k - 29 Nov 2005 19:08 GMT >snipped > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Lou Tolkien
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VBH - 30 Nov 2005 09:54 GMT >>snipped >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Tolkien Bilbo's speech before leaving the Shire. Fellowship of the Ring. Stuck the DVD on the other day and thought "where have I heard that recently?" and didn't twig till you asked Mack about it. -------------------- VBH T2/UK/Dx Oct-03/A1c 5.5/Metformin 1500mg/Simvastatin/Enalopril
VBH - 29 Nov 2005 10:11 GMT >>>Did you watch the ABC tonight? >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > uhh, Princess Diana? Saint Diana? Surely shome mistake.... ;)
VBH
Ma¢k - 29 Nov 2005 19:10 GMT >>>>Did you watch the ABC tonight? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >VBH well comparing her behavior in life to that of some of the other "saints" when they were alive, I guess she's as good candidate as any of the others.
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VBH - 30 Nov 2005 09:51 GMT >>>>>Did you watch the ABC tonight? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > "saints" when they were alive, I guess she's as good candidate as any > of the others. Shortly after her death there was some attempt to elevate her to sainthood. Obviously the criteria to qualify must be lower than I thought. But there was an element of forgetting all the negatives the moment she was dead.
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Vicki Beausoleil - 25 Nov 2005 00:28 GMT > >>>The Prime Minister of New Guinea was EXTREMELY upset about having to remove > >>>his shoes for a security check at an Australian airport. Almost caused an [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > -- > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. And a bloody expensive one when it's required to have a GG.
Pfffft.
Yup, vive le republique.
Vicki
Wes Groleau - 24 Nov 2005 03:37 GMT Alan S quoted:
> "New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark was frisked at > Sydney Airport for explosives in an incident that has > embarrassed the Australian Government. and
> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight > because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. On the other hand, going home from my grandfather's funeral, I had a fancy hand-tool from his collection in my bag. When I saw it in the x-ray monitor, I was sure I was in for some trouble, because it looked exactly like a Luger (gun). But the guards watching the monitor said nothing.
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Ma¢k - 24 Nov 2005 04:06 GMT On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:37:17 GMT, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight >> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. describe the kit. was it one of the older metal ones or one of the plastic ones?
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Alan S - 24 Nov 2005 07:27 GMT >>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight >>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. > >describe the kit. was it one of the older metal ones or one of the >plastic ones? Read for yourself, or google for more detail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Ma¢k - 24 Nov 2005 08:00 GMT On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>>>> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight >>>> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/4344929.stm >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. not by the security screeners.
and how many times in here have we discussed this issue and always said, carry a doctors note just in case?
Diabetic man forced off BA flight A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. Cliff Salmons, 58, was told it could have posed a security risk because he did not have a doctor's letter to explain it.
Mr Salmons, a sales manager from Liss, Hampshire, had to leave the BA flight in Hong Kong and wait for a later service with a different airline.
BA has defended its decision, saying the rules on syringes are well known.
Mr Salmons had gone through check in and boarded the aircraft when flight attendants found that he had a small case of needles as part of his hand luggage
He was told that without a doctor's note to verify his condition, the needles would have to be stored in the baggage hold.
Mr Salmons refused, explaining that he was an insulin-dependent diabetic who would die unless he could take his medication on the 13-hour flight home.
A BA spokeswoman told BBC News that a member of cabin crew offered to return to the terminal building with him to find a doctor who could provide him with a note enabling him to board a later flight.
But Mr Salmons instead continued his journey with Cathay Pacific, according to the spokeswoman.
She told BBC News: "We apologise to Mr Salmons for his experience, but any passengers carrying needles on our aircraft must have a letter from a doctor to verify their condition."
If he had the damn letter from a doc like he knew he should have had, there would have been no problem. As small as our syringe needles are it is still possible to use them to spread biological agents. The letter is no real gauruntee as they can be forged, but they have to draw a line somewhere.
His stupidity, his lazyness, his inconvenience.
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RK - 24 Nov 2005 11:26 GMT | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S | <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] | | His stupidity, his lazyness, his inconvenience. exactly, takes no longer to get a note from your doctor then it does to ask for extra prescriptions, "just in case".
hopefully Jim Dumas on mhd doesn't encounter troubles on his flight coming up, he's been warned to get a dr note, but states he doesn't want to bother his doctor for it, and will just play d'uh at the security. --- this is WHY the lines are held up often...
Okay, gripe over. .
Happy Turkey day for those celebrating it.
VBH - 24 Nov 2005 13:17 GMT > | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S > | <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Happy Turkey day for those celebrating it. Get in in A5 format and laminate it.
Frequent travelling leaves it a bit dog-eared.
VBH
RK - 24 Nov 2005 13:25 GMT | > | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:27:17 +1100, Alan S | > | <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] | > coming up, he's been warned to get a dr note, but states he doesn't want | > to bother his doctor for it, and will just play d'uh at the ecurity. ---
| > this | > is WHY the lines are held up often... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | VBH A5 format?
Laminate it? I have it neatly folded and it's tucked away in the side pocket of my pump supplies carrying case. I also keep updated extra prescriptions there as well for emergencys.
Reisa.
Chris J. - 24 Nov 2005 18:35 GMT >> "A diabetic man was ordered off a British Airways flight >> because he was carrying an insulin injection kit. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >like a Luger (gun). But the guards watching the monitor >said nothing. Well, of course! Everyone knows that a gun looks nothing like toenail clippers, so why would they let a gun distract them from their true goal?
:-) Ma¢k - 23 Nov 2005 03:15 GMT On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:19:52 -0500, "Charles" <charlesowens39@comcast.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>How can you not love a country like ours. >Subject: Only in America [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Note: I'll bet they would take your syringes and lancets also. nope. the FAA does not interfere with diabetics like that.
>Charlie........................worked for the govt all my life. really? even before the legal age to work?
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