that's because skim milk is higher in carbs than whole milk and
because of the lower milk fat content hits the blood stream faster as
well.  Plus "I" simply prefer the taste.

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Hi Jeanette

One of the difficulties with the un-moderated world of
usenet is that you need to develop your skills in sifting
the good and bad info and the useful and dangerous posters.

Chung is a kook with two obsessions: his particular
interpretation of the Christian religion and the passionate
belief that eating less than two pounds of food (any food,
except, apparently, full-cream milk) is the cure for all
ills.

Unfortunately, even qualified physicians can develop mental
illness.

I'll assist him by providing a link to his "famous 2PD OMER"
in the confident assumption that reading that will help you
place him in your killfile:
http://www.karinya.com/diabetic.htm

Of course, maybe you'll show that I'm wrong, and prove that
his OMER works by giving it a try. That's your choice; but
I'd suggest that you choose your advisers carefully, because
experience can be an expensive teacher.

For those who use insulin who have never read Chung's stuff,
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this fascinating
excerpt:

" (3) Divide your current dose of insulin and/or other
diabetic medicines by the number of pounds on this "first"
day and this is 1 "med per pound". Record this in your
notepad. For example, you might find that you are presently
eating 10 lbs of food per day and you take 20 units of 70/30
insulin every morning and 10 units every evening. That's 2
units per pound in the morning and 1 unit per pound in the
evening for 1 "med per pound".

(4) Gradually, decrease the amount of food by 1 pound and
the amount of diabetes medicine by 1 "med per pound" every
day until you get to 2 pounds per day. For the above
example, you would decrease to 18 units of insulin in the
morning and 9 units in the evening on the first day when you
go from 10 to 9 lbs of food."

So, presumably, when you reach the recommended 2 pds, you
are limited to 2 and 1 units respectively regardless of
blood glucose levels.

This guy is very dangerous.

Alan, T2, Australia.

Such are the problems with diets which by definition change **what**
people are eating (ie from 2% milk to skim milk for a low fat diet).

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not change **what** folks are
eating but does help people reduce **how much** they are eating and is
therefore **not** a diet:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Some folks find skim milk more palatable when thickening agents are
added.  These alternatives are called fat-free milk instead of skim
milk.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love always,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

Try tomorrow an hour after breakfast? Please?

Just for a couple of days, stop worrying about fats and
concentrate on the carbs and your post-meal meter results.
Then, when you start to see what is happening there, you can
review the types of fat in your diet - some are good, some
(not all) are bad.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

yep.  how you feel emotionally can and will effect your blood sugar.
Negative emotions tend to spike our BGs.  Positive emotions tend to
level them out.  

swinging BG levels will distort our emotions making us irritable or
complicating depression, making the BG swings harder to get under
control.

Clinical depression cannot be treated by chung quackery.

That being said, clinical depression even though complicated by out of
control BG swings can be managed with the help of the right
professionals and when necessary antidepressants(not always necessary
but not a bad thing to have if needed) and with the help of a smart
endo/diabetes specialist familiar with depression in diabetics.

I personally don't know how much real cream will effect a type 2s BG
levels, but it has little effect on mine.  and I use real cream in my
coffee.  The fat content slows down the absorption of milk carbs
(lactose).  It does not stop it it simply slows it down.

the consumption of milk fat and meat fats has little if any effect on
weight loss.  When I decided to lose a few pounds, didn't much being
as I was only a few over weight.  I simply reduced the amount of carbs
I was eating, not the amount of dietary fat.

Now the type of fats you eat does play a role in a healthy lifestyle
and diet.  Just eat the types of fat.

I use about 2 teaspoons which equal 1.0 g of fat. I wouldn't call that
a lot of fat at all. To tell you the truth I didn't know either until
you asked and I looked at the label on the jar.