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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / November 2005My first post DX A1c (w00t!)
Hey all, I've just got the results back from my first three months A1c test and I'm shocked and confused about the result but extremely happy at the same time. I feel quite funny really, I *definately* wasn't expecting the number I got. :D Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Side note: I have lost 2 stone (13kg) and my FPBs are all in the 5's (90-108) and my lowest ever reading so far (pre-dinner) is 4 (72). Mega-w00t! ChrisJ if you're reading this I hope your results are just as great. Bastian.  SignatureT2/UK/1g Drain-O/1g Cinnamon/A1c 5.5% >Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Bastian. C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S!!!!! What more can I say! Now - your secrets - what was the menu, what was the exercise, how did you do it? And if you're confused - imagine how your doctor feels:-))) Get him to write you up as a post-script to Diabetes Dialogue. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab >>results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S!!!!! Thanks! I was expecting 7% and hoping for low 6%. > What more can I say! Now - your secrets - what was the menu, > what was the exercise, how did you do it? I'll spike everybody in the group if I tell you. :) But if you press I'll spill the beans. I will say that I have learned enough about my diabetes that I now only test 1-3 times a day and some days I don't test at all. > And if you're confused - imagine how your doctor feels:-))) > Get him to write you up as a post-script to Diabetes > Dialogue. I'm seeing him in a few days about something non-diabetes related and I'll ask about the typical newbie T2 improvement in the first quarter for the patients he treats and the average results for long-term T2s in the area. I guess they're a lot worse off especially as they're not reading ASD et al. Last time I saw him I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said I should write a book(let) about what I did and how I went about it to get my numbers so low so quickly. What is Diabetes Dialogue? Or more specifically, which one? Bastian SignatureT2/UK/1g Drain-O/1g Cinnamon/A1c 5.5% (9% 3 months ago) > Last time I saw him I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said I should > write a book(let) about what I did and how I went about it to get my > numbers so low so quickly. Tell him you don't have to, Jennifer took care of it already. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes >>Last time I saw him I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said I should >>write a book(let) about what I did and how I went about it to get my >>numbers so low so quickly. > > Tell him you don't have to, Jennifer took care of it already. True, that's pretty much where I started and was my first thought too. There are several other valuable resources for newbies that would be beneficial for any doc to hand out. Jennifer's advice is paramount. Have fun, Bastian. >>>Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab >>>results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >I'll spike everybody in the group if I tell you. :) Oh, I can vouch for that! I'm quite sure that reading a few of Bastian's meal tests has increased my BG... Hey, that means that if my blood test results are bad, I can blame Bastian! Cool! >But if you press I'll spill the beans. I'll press! Spill the beans, high carb thought they may be! <G> >>>Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab >>>results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Bastian Hi Bastian Despite what others may say - I agree that YMMV applies here. Some can control with lots of carbs, some can't - but the initial testing is needed to find what works for you. So consider yourself pressed - and tell us all. Duiabetes Dialogue has just concluded. To quote the web-site http://www.diabetesdialogue.org.uk/ it was "A discussion forum for people living with diabetes and those involved in diabetes care in the UK. September 25th - October 31st 2005" following an earlier version a couple of months ago. It was conducted by Hansard as an attempt to educate Parliament about diabetes needs. Several posters from here and asd.uk participated, but we're not expecting any dramatic changes. One suspects from the summaries that they are looking for support for some pre-conceived beliefs. But I'm just a cynic. At least they appeared to try. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>I'll spike everybody in the group if I tell you. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So consider yourself pressed - and tell us all. WARNING: This is mostly rambling. I lost most of the weight by dropping fat from my diet for the first couple of months, no butter, no oils, nothing that wasn't already present in food or wasn't the minimum required for cooking. I had a pretty high-fat, high-carb diet before even though I was maintaining an acceptable (for me) weight. I went ultra low carb for a while and that got my numbers right down but I need some carbs in my diet otherwise I'll get cravings. A handful of nuts in the morning stopped the liver dumps and some carbs, namely crackers, before bed greatly reduced the Dawn Effect. Generally a few nuts whenever I am peckish has prevented me from snacking on higher carb items. For me, the Metformin has significantly reduced both problems. Two tablespoons of vinegar before certain meals has had a powerful BG reduction effect and having recently discovered cinnamon I am getting my lowest numbers ever. As my diet change has progressed I am no longer able to eat the portions I used to which mitigates the spiking of the meals I take off. A few days back I had battered cod and chips and spiked at 8.4, this went down to 5.9 after a walk round the block - which is akin to mountain climbing round here. Before I got my numbers and weight under control this meal would have spiked me in the 12s. In my case as I have lost weight and exercised more my IR has reduced and enabled me to eat a wider range of foods. Generally whenever I have even remotely high numbers I go for an uphill trek and do a bunch of press-ups. I have gone from 10.9 to a stable 5.5 in less than 20 minutes doing this. I rarely see numbers above 7.8 for very long. To keep on the diet I had arranged meals off as I don't believe that a such a dramatic change in diet can be maintained without craving foods that were previously loved, incorporating them into my diet has helped me stick to it. Lunch every other Friday (today) is a meal off so I can have chips, crisps, sausage rolls and similar. And I have at least one dinner off a week. I have a large collection of no-sugar dessert products that are wonderful to munch and keep me happy and on track. I found a few suprises like that I can eat regular choc-ices anytime I like and they'll not touch my BGs. Breakfast (lunch) is usually scrambled eggs or cinnamon on wholegrain toast. Dinner is usually protein with a few carbs, my favourites include lamb, chicken or pork with veggies and a few boiled potatoes. I'll have cinnamon in my coffee occasionally or take half a spoonful wrapped in squished bread. Alcohol with a meal also reduces the BG increase, vodka+coke here as beer and cider spike me rotten. Small portions of high carb foods don't generally spike me if the rest of the meal is low carb so a few chips is good. Multi-grain crackers and cheese is very tasty and good for a filling snack before bedtime or between meals. Mainly it has been testing to find out what I can and can't eat, reducing the portions of things I can't eat so that I can eat some a small portion and finding low sugar/low carb versions of foods that I like and taking meals off. (And lots of exercise.) I accept my diabetes and am controlling it, but not letting it control me. My methods may seem strange and will probably spike most people from just reading about them. Remember that YMMV. But going from 9% to 5.5% in 3 months on A1c proves that I've probably not been too wrong. As someone said here once said I am the worst example of a diabetic and should hand back my membership. I wonder... :) Have fun, Bastian. >>>I'll spike everybody in the group if I tell you. :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >Have fun, >Bastian. Thanks a lot. Sincerely. Well rambled. Your methods don't seem strange at all. In fact, it's pretty close to what I did. You just did it better. I also did low-fat to lose the initial weight (email me and I'll send you a copy of what I did - you'll recognise yourself, particularly my "guilt-free days":-) Some here already have copies and know what I mean. I didn't really reduce carbs until months later when I discovered m.h.d. And then, my aim was never low-carb, it was low spikes. If I could eat carbs without spiking - I did. I've never followed Atkins, I'd never heard of him. Congratulations again, and thanks for the details. The biggest difference is that I haven't done a press-up since my second year in the RAAF. And I have no intention of ever doing another. I force myself to do my daily swim or walk - but I can fully empathise with the poster here who had a sig that indicated that her favourite form of combining exercise and housework was to sweep the room with a glance. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I accept my diabetes and am controlling it, but not letting it control me. > My methods may seem strange and will probably spike most people from just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As someone said here once said I am the worst example of a diabetic and > should hand back my membership. I wonder... :) Sounds like you're living a life to me : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >I lost most of the weight by dropping fat from my diet for the first >couple of months, no butter, no oils, nothing that wasn't already [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >got my numbers right down but I need some carbs in my diet otherwise >I'll get cravings. Interesting! I think you did great, proven by the one thing that matters: it worked!!! >As my diet change has progressed I am no longer able to eat the portions >I used to which mitigates the spiking of the meals I take off. A few [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >exercised more my IR has reduced and enabled me to eat a wider range of >foods. I've noticed that many things that used to spike me no longer do, too. >Generally whenever I have even remotely high numbers I go for an uphill >trek and do a bunch of press-ups. I have gone from 10.9 to a stable 5.5 >in less than 20 minutes doing this. I rarely see numbers above 7.8 for >very long. That's excellent control, and a great way of handling it IMHO. This is another way you and I are similar: I too have mountainous hikes right outside my door, and make use of them frequently. >To keep on the diet I had arranged meals off as I don't believe that a >such a dramatic change in diet can be maintained without craving foods >that were previously loved, incorporating them into my diet has helped >me stick to it. A wise strategy! I think my approach worked better, if the main goal is making oneself miserable! I did totally omit quite a lot of things. With me, the worst part was far more situational: I (pre Dx) used to be able to grab a hamburger if I was out driving around and hungry, and although I don't really like them all that much, the loss of convenience, and ability, really hit me psychologically, and really bothered me. I had cravings like crazy, especially if I was hungry and could smell them. But, once I accepted (with help here) that I could have one (lettuce wrapped, or just toss the bun) my cravings disappeared. >Lunch every other Friday (today) is a meal off so I can >have chips, crisps, sausage rolls and similar. And I have at least one >dinner off a week. I have a large collection of no-sugar dessert >products that are wonderful to munch and keep me happy and on track. I >found a few suprises like that I can eat regular choc-ices anytime I >like and they'll not touch my BGs. Bastian, I'm curious how many carbs a choc-ice has? And no effect at all on your BG's? Wow... I've never tried anything like that, but I'm very curious. The closest I've come to testing a high-sugar food was accidentally drinking a can of regular coca-cola, about a month after Dx. That drove me up to 7.9 in your numbers, then back to normal within an hour, which really wasn't bad IMHO, all things considered. >Breakfast (lunch) is usually scrambled eggs or cinnamon on wholegrain >toast. Could you eat that in your first few weeks? I tried scrambled eggs with half a slice of whole-grain, and it spiked me bigtime, about two weeks after DX. But, now, I've tested an entire slice, even a slice and a half, a few times at breakfast, and have no trouble at all. >Dinner is usually protein with a few carbs, my favourites include >lamb, chicken or pork with veggies and a few boiled potatoes. I'll have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >carb so a few chips is good. Multi-grain crackers and cheese is very >tasty and good for a filling snack before bedtime or between meals. I've tested a scotch and water with dinner once, and found it didn't bother me at all. I also have red wine often, and find it helps the BG.. My dinner tonight is one you will probably find odd, but here it is for your amusement: home-made meatballs over a bed of cooked shopped spinach, with three heaped tablespoons of ground flax meal, then drenched with enchilada sauce. I usually have yogurt for desert, but I have it a couple of hours after dinner. I would guess that you find that as appetizing as I'd find chips or potatoes. <grin> I'm very intrigued by your Cinnamon results. I'm going to give it a try after my blood test. I'm still doing the Vinegar, for a few meals, and find it helps a lot. BUT, it does not seem to go well with the 1-hour 2-hour testing schedule! With me, it often delays my stomach emptying, by up top an hour. >Mainly it has been testing to find out what I can and can't eat, >reducing the portions of things I can't eat so that I can eat some a >small portion and finding low sugar/low carb versions of foods that I >like and taking meals off. (And lots of exercise.) >I accept my diabetes and am controlling it, but not letting it control >me. My methods may seem strange and will probably spike most people from >just reading about them. Reading this is giving me a doozy of a spike right now, and it's all your fault! <grin> Actually, no offence, but it's far less "pushing the envelope" than I was expecting! I was thinking of your notorious sausage rolls and cider-drinking evening :-) >Remember that YMMV. But going from 9% to 5.5% >in 3 months on A1c proves that I've probably not been too wrong. IMHO, it proves conclusively that what you do is quite right for you! Kudos to you for having the courage to find out, and then make it work!!! >As someone said here once said I am the worst example of a diabetic and >should hand back my membership. I wonder... :) Well, Bastian, you better get in line, or we will vote you out, revoke your membership, and then you can't be a diabetic anymore!!!! :-) > Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bastian. Bastain, That is FABULOUS!!!!! --Jenny http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info >> I've just got the results back from my first three months A1c test and >> I'm shocked and confused about the result but extremely happy at the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That is FABULOUS!!!!! Thanks Jenny (and everybody else who has voiced support). I was meaning to ask, if you have any information about the effects of going above 7.8 mmol for short periods - less than a few hours. You've done so much valuable research for the community and I think that everyone here should hide behind the sofa on a dark and stormy night whilst reading your wonderful site. (That was a compliment BTW :) ) Bastian SignatureT2/UK/1g Drain-O/1g Cinnamon/A1c 5.5% (9% 3 months ago) >>> I've just got the results back from my first three months A1c test >>> and I'm shocked and confused about the result but extremely happy at [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Bastian Bastian, I went back into my notes, and found summaries of two studies that were all I could find that related at all to your very important question. Summary of first study: Researchers looking into what happens to transplanted islets in mice have found that healthy islets transplanted into an otherwise normal mouse that has had its pancreas cells killed with a chemical will survive in mice whose blood sugar levels are temporarily high but are then controlled either with insulin or the transplanted islet cells, not in mice that whose new beta cells are exposed for a longer time to high blood sugars. [Biarnes M, Montolio M, Nacher V, Raurell M, Soler J, Montanya E: [beta]-Cell death and mass in syngeneically transplanted islets exposed to short- and long-term hyperglycemia, Diabetes 51:66-72, 2002] Summary of second study: Another experiment with human beta cell lines grown in culture [Catherine E. Gleason, Michael Gonzalez, Jamie S. Harmon, and R. Paul Robertson. Determinants of glucose toxicity and its reversibility in the pancreatic islet Beta-cell line, HIT-T15.Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 279: E997-E1002, Nov 2000] found that the amount of damage the cells sustained in the genes that produced insulin depended on the concentration of glucose they were exposed to. The effect was continuous, not a threshhold effect--meaning that the more glucose the cell was grown in, the more function it lost. In a second experiment, the same researchers took cells damaged by exposure to high blood sugars and moved them to media with lower blood sugars. They found the cells could survive and recover after being moved to a growth medium containing a much lower concentration of glucose, but only if the switch was made before a certain amount of time had passed. Once the cells had been exposed to glucose for that fatal time period, they could no longer be revived. After I read this last study, I contacted R. Paul Robertson who had published it and asked him what the actual times of exposure were that caused the damage, as it wasn't clear from the article. He wrote back this was something that also interested him, but that they didn't have the money to do the research that would establish that. So basically all we know is that the shorter the exposure, the better, though a bunch of other studies I found showed that beta cell damage could be demonstrated in non-diabetic subjects as soon as OGTT 2-hr value went over 100 mg/dl (5.5 mmol/L) The only data I have on nerves is from the two neurology studies and they looked only at the blood test results of people who had neuropathy of unknown origin, and found that of the three measures, Hba1c, Fasting PG and 2-Hr Oral Glucose Tolerance test, only the 2-hr GTT results of 140 or over correlated to the presence of neuropathy. But as my doc said the last time I saw him, the one thing we DO know is "Lower is better." --Jenny http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info Congrats Bastian... all the best to you. RK | Hey all, | [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | | Bastian. > | Mega-w00t! > Congrats Bastian... all the best to you. <grin> Thanks! (Threads like this are one of the nicer things about diabetes. :) ) Bastian. Happy dance time. c > Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bastian. >> Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab >> results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Happy dance time. c Are you thinking what I'm thinking? http://www.mindspring.com/~divegeek/snoopy.htm#Outrageously%20Happy :) Bastian. Thanks for the smile. Those are great!!!!! c >>> Three months ago (ish) when I was DX my A1c was 9%, my 3 month lab > >> results came back at 5.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bastian. >Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Bastian. Bastian, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! That is WONDERFUL, and great work on your part! I'll be posting mine next week, good or bad, as soon as I've had the test and get the results. On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:31:02 GMT, Bastian <bastian@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>Hey all, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>Bastian. Way to go Bastian. You're doing great! Just keep it up. Peter G. >>Mega-w00t! >> >>ChrisJ if you're reading this I hope your results are just as great. > Bastian, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! That is WONDERFUL, and great work on your > part! Thanks! > I'll be posting mine next week, good or bad, as soon as I've had the > test and get the results. I'm really looking forward to finding out your new and improved numbers. AFAIK you've been a lot better at the diet side of things than I have so I wouldn't be suprised if you make a great improvement too. You'll probably find out how strange I was feeling earlier when the numbers came through. We both did the best thing possible after DX, we came here, listened, joined in and stayed around. Have fun, Bastian. SignatureT2/UK/1g Drain-O/1g Cinnamon/A1c 5.5% (9% 3 months ago) > >>Mega-w00t! > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > T2/UK/1g Drain-O/1g Cinnamon/A1c 5.5% (9% 3 months ago) I think you're both doing fantastic. I also think Chris will be very pleasantly surprised, and his doc will be flabbergasted when he gets his results. Keep up the good work you two! Vicki >> I'm really looking forward to finding out your new and improved numbers. >> AFAIK you've been a lot better at the diet side of things than I have so [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Keep up the good work you two! Thanks... I doubt I can match Bastians, but I have to admit I'm really hoping for the 5% club (or at least darn close). I'll find out in a week! >>>Mega-w00t! >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >AFAIK you've been a lot better at the diet side of things than I have so >I wouldn't be suprised if you make a great improvement too. I also had a lot higher numbers at Dx, such as fasting BG's in the mid 30's in your numbers... So, I suspect my pancreas is not so healthy as yours. I still think you should be generous and give me half of it... :-) :-) :-) :-) I've also been easing up on the diet a lot, intentionally (to see what my limits are), and am no longer very low-carb. I'm eating some whole grain on occasion, plus some black beans, soy beans, stone ground corn meal, etc. >You'll >probably find out how strange I was feeling earlier when the numbers >came through. I hope so... I am hoping to make the 5% club, but I'd be happy with close (for now). BTW, how were your lipids? And also, special congrats on the weight loss! For those of us who aren't metric, 13kg comes to nearly 29 pounds! FANTASTIC! >We both did the best thing possible after DX, we came here, listened, >joined in and stayed around. Yep!! The people here have helped me more than I can describe. > So, I suspect my pancreas is not so healthy as > yours. I still think you should be generous and give me half of it... > :-) :-) :-) :-) Hmmm, I remember that conversation.... From what I remember it's likely that you've been diabetic a lot longer than me but I hope that the early insulin and metformin gave your beta-cells a chance to recouperate. > I've also been easing up on the diet a lot, intentionally (to see what > my limits are), and am no longer very low-carb. I'm eating some whole > grain on occasion, plus some black beans, soy beans, stone ground corn > meal, etc. Same thing here, I even go to the chip shop occasionally for battered <treat> and chips. These days it doesn't take me above 8.4 if I'm in the 4s to start with and a bit of exercise always gets my numbers back down safely. Being in better control and losing the weight has done wonders for my IR. > BTW, how were your lipids? Am getting those redone at the 6 month check. >>We both did the best thing possible after DX, we came here, listened, >>joined in and stayed around. > > Yep!! The people here have helped me more than I can describe. Coming here was best thing that we did IMHO. Indeed it's the best thing that any diabetic can do. Have fun, Bastian. >> So, I suspect my pancreas is not so healthy as >> yours. I still think you should be generous and give me half of it... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > From what I remember it's likely that you've been diabetic a lot longer >than me That might be. My Doc thinks it's recent (last three years), but is just guessing (she said so). My own guess is between five and twenty years. The five is because that's when I started putting on weight due to being hungry all the time. The twenty, well, the other day I finally dug up some old records, and confirmed a vague memory: there was a "trace" (their term) of sugar found in my urine during a flight physical when I was 19, which was 19 years ago. (damn, seeing THAT in print really makes me feel old!!!) >but I hope that the early insulin and metformin gave your >beta-cells a chance to recouperate. Thanks.. I think it did. I've done a few "pushing the envelope" tests myself in recent weeks, and so far I seem to have decent carb tolerance for non-white-flour things. I've tried up to 50 carbs in a meal (several times what I could tolerate a couple of month ago), and peaked at 7.2, and was back to normal by 2 hours. The one bad effect is that I find carbs do boost my appetite, and make me want to eat not long after a meal, so for that reason and others I don't do this for anything but tests. >> I've also been easing up on the diet a lot, intentionally (to see what >> my limits are), and am no longer very low-carb. I'm eating some whole [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Same thing here, I even go to the chip shop occasionally for battered ><treat> and chips. Hey, I could do that (if you mean fish) and I'm sure it wouldn't bother my BG's at all! I'd avoid the spike due to being dead, due to my seafood allergy. Granted, that is one sure way to avoid a spike, but IMHO it (death) is not healthy for me. > These days it doesn't take me above 8.4 if I'm in the >4s to start with and a bit of exercise always gets my numbers back down >safely. Being in better control and losing the weight has done wonders >for my IR. Same here. And you have done wonderfully with your weight loss! You also have me beat by two pounds, over the exact same time span, you rat fink!!! :-) > That might be. My Doc thinks it's recent (last three years), but is > just guessing (she said so). My own guess is between five and twenty [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was a "trace" (their term) of sugar found in my urine during a flight > physical when I was 19, which was 19 years ago. Unless the technology was a lot different back then, you spill glucose into your urine around the 11 mmol mark : ( I failed a GTT aged 10 - Mum put me on a low-carb diet and everything went away. I bet your level of physical fitness did the same for you, at age 19. I was very inactive at that age (we were living in a hotel for months, in an unsafe city), but not obese; you presumably weren't either! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >> That might be. My Doc thinks it's recent (last three years), but is >> just guessing (she said so). My own guess is between five and twenty [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Unless the technology was a lot different back then, you spill glucose into >your urine around the 11 mmol mark : ( Uhoh... Not good. >I failed a GTT aged 10 - Mum put me on a low-carb diet and everything went >away. I bet your level of physical fitness did the same for you, at age 19. Your Mom is a smart lady! I sure wish I'd have heeded the warning, or recognized it as one. >I was very inactive at that age (we were living in a hotel for months, in an >unsafe city), but not obese; you presumably weren't either! I'd had some weight trouble (less than 20 lbs) in my very early teens, but I got rid of it when I was 15, and was still thin at 19. I thought the teen years were too early for T2 to show up without being obese? Mom had basically uncontrolled Gestational diabetes when she was pregnant with me. Could that play a role in my glucose tolerance? > Mom had basically uncontrolled Gestational diabetes when she was > pregnant with me. Could that play a role in my glucose tolerance? Yes. I've just watched a documentary that suggested how your Gran fared when she was a fetus (or your Grandad as a pre-pubescent teen) would also have had a direct influence on whether your diabetes gene was switched on - if there were famine conditions, you are prepared to survive them : ( My Mum had me late, and was convinced she was going through menopause rather than being pregnant; I was a below-normal-weight baby who grew rapidly, another dead cert according to last week's Medscape newsletter. I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >> Mom had basically uncontrolled Gestational diabetes when she was >> pregnant with me. Could that play a role in my glucose tolerance? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >had a direct influence on whether your diabetes gene was switched on - if >there were famine conditions, you are prepared to survive them : ( Damn... I sure as heck hope my mother never finds out about that. Ever since I told her I was diabetic, she's suggested it might be "her fault" for eating candy, etc, while diagnosed with GD. I've been telling here that that is patently impossible. The last thing she needs is guilt, and as she is lacking access to a time machine, it would serve no use for her to know. > My Mum >had me late, and was convinced she was going through menopause rather than >being pregnant; I was a below-normal-weight baby who grew rapidly, another >dead cert according to last week's Medscape newsletter. >I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being overweight >rather irritating, in the face of all this. Well, maybe now they will just say it's all our fault for choosing our parents poorly? :-) As to the weight issue, I'm now convinced that it was my blood sugar problem that caused me to gain weight and be unable to lose it a few years ago. I tried like hell, but was ravenously hungry all the time. Now my BG's are under control, I won't say it's been easy, but it sure hasn't been hard to lose the weight. > Damn... I sure as heck hope my mother never finds out about that. Ever > since I told her I was diabetic, she's suggested it might be "her > fault" for eating candy, etc, while diagnosed with GD. Not her fault. Back in those far-off days, the diagnostic criteria for GD would have already caused any changes in you by the time she met it - and besides, that documentary did more than imply that the primary cause is her grandmother having a hard time carrying her Mom! > As to the weight issue, I'm now convinced that it was my blood sugar > problem that caused me to gain weight and be unable to lose it a few > years ago. I tried like hell, but was ravenously hungry all the time. > Now my BG's are under control, I won't say it's been easy, but it sure > hasn't been hard to lose the weight. Likewise. For the first time in my life, I appear to have a "full" switch! Very bizarre. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >> Damn... I sure as heck hope my mother never finds out about that. Ever >> since I told her I was diabetic, she's suggested it might be "her >> fault" for eating candy, etc, while diagnosed with GD. > >Not her fault. Back in those far-off days, Gee, thanks, that makes me feel downright ancient! <grin> >the diagnostic criteria for GD >would have already caused any changes in you by the time she met it- and >besides, that documentary did more than imply that the primary cause is her >grandmother having a hard time carrying her Mom! I'm delighted to hear that, because amongst other reasons it means I don't have to lie to her (which I would have done) about this. I'm still worried about Mom having diabetes, though. She's a bit overweight, and since she had GD (at the age of 42), she is (from what I hear) at high risk. Her FBG's are consistent at about 80, but I'd love to do a after-meal test on her. I plan on trying to talk her into it on the cruise... >> As to the weight issue, I'm now convinced that it was my blood sugar >> problem that caused me to gain weight and be unable to lose it a few [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Likewise. For the first time in my life, I appear to have a "full" switch! >Very bizarre. Yep, it's your fault, then, because you didn't choose your parents wisely! :-) Thanks, Nicky. >I'm still worried about Mom having diabetes, though. She's a bit >overweight, and since she had GD (at the age of 42), she is (from what >I hear) at high risk. Her FBG's are consistent at about 80, but I'd >love to do a after-meal test on her. I plan on trying to talk her into >it on the cruise... Didn't you say she's going back to Arizona with you? Wait until then. Don't spoil the cruise with a high BG reading. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>I'm still worried about Mom having diabetes, though. She's a bit >>overweight, and since she had GD (at the age of 42), she is (from what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Didn't you say she's going back to Arizona with you? Wait >until then. Don't spoil the cruise with a high BG reading. An excellent idea, Alan! I'll wait until we are back in AZ.. Thanks! >>>I'm still worried about Mom having diabetes, though. She's a bit >>>overweight, and since she had GD (at the age of 42), she is (from what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > An excellent idea, Alan! I'll wait until we are back in AZ.. Hehe, a suggestion for AZ from OZ. <ducks> Maybe your could approach the test as though you're wondering what a particular meal, that you're about to share, does to a non-diabetic person and wonder if she would mind providing a baseline reference just to satify your own curiosity. Sneaky but, well... just sneaky. Remember to use a fresh lancet on your mum. But not until after your hols. Have fun. Bastian. >>>>I'm still worried about Mom having diabetes, though. She's a bit >>>>overweight, and since she had GD (at the age of 42), she is (from what [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >person and wonder if she would mind providing a baseline reference just >to satify your own curiosity. Sneaky but, well... just sneaky. Bastain, you are so sneaky! And I love it! Great idea! Thanks!!!!! And I'll definitely wait until after the trip... > Damn... I sure as heck hope my mother never finds out about that. > Ever since I told her I was diabetic, she's suggested it might be > "her fault" for eating candy, etc, while diagnosed with GD. I've been > telling here that that is patently impossible. The last thing she > needs is guilt, and as she is lacking access to a time machine, it > would serve no use for her to know. My mum's response to my diagnosis was to ask if I've been 'eating too many sweeties', that was my dads response too. >> I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being >> overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. I find all the people who say that obesity is the cause of <insert name here> to be ignorant and annoying. > Well, maybe now they will just say it's all our fault for choosing > our parents poorly? :-) I remember the selection process and it really needs to be changed but I guess that everyone has to go somewhere. Maybe next time I'm applying for a licence-to-be-born I'll do some better research. > As to the weight issue, I'm now convinced that it was my blood sugar > problem that caused me to gain weight and be unable to lose it a few > years ago. I tried like hell, but was ravenously hungry all the time. > Now my BG's are under control, I won't say it's been easy, but it > sure hasn't been hard to lose the weight. I'm sure you're right at least because I came to exactly the same conclusions about my weight gain. With the weight loss I've been stuck at around 13 and a half stone for about six weeks. I hope I get over the weight loss plateau as I'd like to see what I look like wearing my suit again. Bastian. | >> I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being | >> overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Bastian. | -- Really? you have proof of this? I think you're comment is very ignorant of you and I'm sure my thin daughter who now has a bad thyroid which caused her to gain weight well be annoyed because her bg's are slowly rising SIMPLY because of her being OBSESE now. pfft! > | >> I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being > | >> overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > caused her to gain weight well be annoyed because her bg's are slowly > rising SIMPLY because of her being OBSESE now. No, her insulin resistance is increasing because she's getting obese. If she didn't have the diabetes gene turned on, she'd be able to overcome the IR by flooding her system with insulin. If that were the case, you might only be able to see the result of the obesity by running a c-peptide or similar. There was a very interesting documentary in the UK earlier in the week, where they very graphically linked the famine experienced by the grandparent generation (by the boys just before puberty, and the girls in the womb) to the diabetes occurrence in the grandchild generation. Causality seems to be getting increasingly blurred. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg hmmm interesting thoughts there.. I'll have to think abt it that way... I still see it differently from my end though. monday she did go in to get blood work done, she and I have a doctors appt tomorrow (good thing I remembered) and she needed her's ahead of time. they did order a c-peptide for her. last time they ran all associated blood work for PCOS and she was completely negative. Her cortisone levels were perfect as well. Just before she'd rarely ever go up over 88 was the highest I'd seen her ever go.. Now I've caught 3-4 in the 180's but I'm talking super high carb here for her.. over 150gm easy. She'll go higher after meals then after 3-4hrs she'll be back now down only into the high 90's or low 100's which is concerning me... I plan to talk to the doctor tomorrow about it. I'd like to get her on metformin to help with the weight loss if anything and stop the IR. Thanks Nicky.. you're one here abt this that I'll listen to.. I'm a stuborn old thing aren't I? Reisa | > | >> I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being | > | >> overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | | Nicky. > Just before she'd rarely ever go up over 88 was the highest I'd > seen her ever go.. Now I've caught 3-4 in the 180's but I'm talking [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to the doctor tomorrow about it. I'd like to get her on metformin > to help with the weight loss if anything and stop the IR. Does gaining weight mean she needs more thyroid meds which might mean she would gain more weight? Like a vicious circle? SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes | > Just before she'd rarely ever go up over 88 was the highest I'd | > seen her ever go.. Now I've caught 3-4 in the 180's but I'm talking [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | Does gaining weight mean she needs more thyroid meds which might mean she | would gain more weight? Like a vicious circle? Well not exactly sure. Like I said, her blood work was last monday so we'll see what her TSH is like tmrw. She's on .125mcg right now, which she's not gaining much more right now, she's actually been able to lose 8lbs in the past 2 weeks, she's also not sleeping or wanting to sleep 20hrs a day, thats the big clue for me when her meds need changing. She isn't royally bitchy either most days... other then typical teenitis lol .. She still isn't having a period every month though. Reisa.. > they did order a c-peptide > for her. last time they ran all associated blood work for PCOS > and she was completely negative. The c-peptide will be interesting. I was wondering about PCOS after your reply to None Given. > I'd like to get her on metformin > to help with the weight loss if anything and stop the IR. I think that would be a good move - hopefully she'll be able to tolerate it. > Thanks Nicky.. you're one here abt this that I'll listen to.. I'm a > stuborn old thing aren't I? I likes you anyway :^) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >My mum's response to my diagnosis was to ask if I've been 'eating too >many sweeties', that was my dads response too. I liked my Uncle's response the best... "What? But Chris, you can't be Diabetic, you hate sugar!" LOL! I have to admit, though, that I used to believe the theory that you became diabetic (T2) from excessive sugar consumption. >>> I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being >>> overweight rather irritating, in the face of all this. > >I find all the people who say that obesity is the cause of <insert name >here> to be ignorant and annoying. Well, I think it's the cause of weighing more.... :-) >> As to the weight issue, I'm now convinced that it was my blood sugar >> problem that caused me to gain weight and be unable to lose it a few [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >at least because I came to exactly the same >conclusions about my weight gain. >With the weight loss I've been stuck at around 13 and a half stone for >about six weeks. I hope I get over the weight loss plateau as I'd like >to see what I look like wearing my suit again. Sorry to hear about the plateau.. I went through a couple of them, and the first one really bummed me out. They do end, though, so keep plugging away! You will get into your suit soon! I wish I'd been smart enough to save my pre-weight-gain clothes the way you did! But, Nooooo, I had to go and give them all away, didn't I? I've found ONE pair of jeans, a messed up old pair I use for painting, that are pre-weight-gain, a 32" waist. (81 centimeters, In your numbers) I can wear them now, for the first time in years, and sure wish I hadn't given the rest of the stuff away. Was My first post DX A1c >I do find those people who say it's all your fault for being overweight >rather irritating, in the face of all this. > >Nicky. I understand where you're coming from, but I find the whole blame game thing irritating. I see little point in blame at all, except for researchers or advice for our kids. For us, that's ancient history. What matters is what we do now and in the future. It's a little late to work out what we should have done last century to not get diagnosed with type 2. Repeatedly I see posters in different forums agonising over the public perception of obesity causing diabetes and giving all of the reasons why it was the diabetes that caused the obesity. I just don't care about that either way, and I feel they are wasting their energy - and also, in many cases, looking for excuses to keep their old lifestyle, pop a few pills or take insulin and remain obese. I admit, quite cheerfully, that I was lazy, careless and obese when I was diagnosed and I believe that was a significant part of my poor health - including type 2. Maybe my genes led to a tendency to get fat but I still chose to eat burgers when my slim sister ate salads. Guess which one of us got diabetes? These days, I'm still pretty lazy, less careless, and less obese. I blame no-one but myself for my past excesses - but I also accept full credit (together with great help from mhd and asd) for my present condition. One thing about accepting personal responsibility - you get to accept the rewards as well as the penalties. Rant over:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Was My first post DX A1c > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >looking for excuses to keep their old lifestyle, pop a few >pills or take insulin and remain obese. Alan, I certainly agree with you in the main, but I feel that in some cases it's very worthwhile to find the reason for the weight gain. When I was Dx'd and needed to lose weight, I did not think I could do so because I'd tried, and failed, so many times before. If I had known then that Diabetes could have been the cause of my hunger (which caused the weight gain) I'd have been much more hopeful about the diet. What if I'd have never tried, post Dx, to lose weight because I'd failed so many times before? So, for that reason, I do feel it's worthwhile to let people (especially newbies) know that Diabetes can be in some cases the cause, rather than the result, of weight gain. another thing to get checked and fully checked is to have a full thyroid panel done as well, not just a TSH. many have underlaying thyroid issues that aren't addressed which keeps the weight on and makes it harder to lose. RK. | >Was My first post DX A1c | > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] | (especially newbies) know that Diabetes can be in some cases the | cause, rather than the result, of weight gain. | Was My first post DX A1c | [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | late to work out what we should have done last century to | not get diagnosed with type 2. LOL then you have me on the flip side of things. Obesity being very genetic in my maternal side. My biological mother being over 450lbs at death, my half sister probably close to 300lbs now.. neither are diabetic, neither have thyroid issues. My natural mother died of Liver failure brought on from pain meds from a fall she had being so overweight. Lucky me and my daughter. Both in good health, both eat halfway healthy, both thin... LOL and we get slapped with the flu and both get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. --- just trying to make ya not feel so bad Alan... not always our fault. | Repeatedly I see posters in different forums agonising over | the public perception of obesity causing diabetes and giving [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | | Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Reisa, When I first came back to ASD a couple of months ago, your post on the lab tests was the first I read, and what really hit home was the HLA-B27 positivity, which I also carry (was tested erroneously years ago by a doc in a small town who was out to get some $$ from the insurance co because there was NO reason to test me!). Anyway, reading what you wrote below was similar also, as I am being worked up for RA/connective tissue who-knows-what. Since you said yours was a result of the flu, I was wondering if yours also hit suddenly or if it was a longer, more progressive onset? While I didn't have the flu first, my symptoms all hit within a weekend and totally wiped me out. Took me 6 weeks of horrendous pain to get an appt with the rheumatologist (did see my PCP before then) but was put on prednisone a week ago and was told if there was significant improvement it would point towards an autoimmune process. It took 3 days but I am feeling SOO much better now...hate the thought of what it's doing to my blood sugars, but being able to function again is really nice! :-) The first round of lab work, the RA factor and ANA both came back negative and the sed rate was normal. He had these repeated as well as one more for RA...I'll find out on Thursday if anything changed. If not, I'm not sure where we go from there. I just really want a name/diagnosis so I can have something tangible to research and deal with...I hate unknowns! Are you still in work-up phase for yours? Thanks, Darcy > Lucky me and my daughter. Both in good health, both eat halfway > healthy, both thin... LOL and we get slapped with the flu and both > get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and > my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. Hi Darcy, The flu I had was back in Nov 1999, by May 2000 I was in the hospital in DKA, this after having several lab workups prior to find out why I was dropping weight so much, felt like my head was going to explode and sleeping half my life away and eating like theres no tomorrow. I'd been in a auto accident back in 1992 and back surgery a few months later. Just over time the pain has progessively gotten worse to the point of wanting to cry half the day. The doctors just started to run one lab after another because of how much inflamation I had and it wouldn't ever go down and came across the HLA by chance. The other day was back at the pain clinic and got 4 cortizone injections in the left side of my buttock and spine and yes, within a day I felt 80% better. Being diabetic, I'd tell um to shove the predisone up their wazoo and opt for cortizone shots, they don't do as much bg damage and last a few good months. But yes, they are working me up for AS, RD and something else. Guess we'll see when it all finishes. Best of luck, you're lucky you only had to suffer a few weeks, i've literally been like that for the past 10yrs that I can remember. Non stop ... Reisa | Reisa, | [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] | > get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and | > my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. Reisa, Thanks for the reply, and I am SO sorry you've had to deal with all of this for so many years. That's horrible. I don't ever want to deal with that much pain again...especially with 3 little kids that still need so much of me (including one who still wants to be picked up a lot and who still does the toddler flop on the ground....really hard to pick him back up when any movement in my hands makes me want to cry!). I finally got the x-rays taken Monday and see the rheumatologist again tomorrow to see if anything showed up in these labs. Will see what he wants to do regarding the prednisone or trying something else. If I opted for injections, I'd be doing every joint but my back because this stuff is everywhere. Tomorrow will tell, I guess. I'm just ready to put a name with this so I can research and move on from here....unknowns drive me nuts....and being a transcriptionist, I know just enough to be dangerous. <G> Thanks again for your reply....and the best to you in getting yours sorted out, and kudos to you for being such a great mom to Danni. I wish her the best too! Darcy > Hi Darcy, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > | > get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and > | > my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. >--- just trying to make ya not feel so bad Alan... not always our fault. That's actually my point - I don't feel bad at all. That's history; I feel quite pleased about the present and I look forward with anticipation to the future:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>--- just trying to make ya not feel so bad Alan... not always our fault. > > That's actually my point - I don't feel bad at all. That's > history; I feel quite pleased about the present and I look > forward with anticipation to the future:-) I agree with you, the future is looking pretty good! Diabetes does have its good points (especially for ASDers): o Positive lifestyle changes o Weight loss o Getting fitter o Discovering lots of new yummy foods o Becoming proactive about health and... o Meeting loads of new people and making new friends Not sure I've listed all of them but it seems that for may of us getting diagnosed was a good thing. Just my 5p. Bastian. >>>--- just trying to make ya not feel so bad Alan... not always our fault. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Just my 5p. >Bastian. It's interesting how often similar thoughts are expressed here. I wish I had not needed the diagnosis to shock me into looking after myself; but apparently I did, because I certainly wasn't doing so pre-diagnosis. On the other hand, if I had not decided to become aggressive in attacking the beast, I suspect I would now be far worse off than I am. At the very least I would weigh 20Kg more than I do today, (presuming I hadn't had the heart attack) and I would be suffering recurring fainting spells. So, while I don't advocate diagnosis with type 2 diabetes as a preferred method of motivation, it does have some benefits for some of us. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Yes, and the sad part is...some people are so rude to overweight people that they just lump them all together as "fat and lazy" without knowing the reasons behind it or anything. That really bothers me, especially with young people. It reminds me a great deal of the old fart at Walgreens' a couple of years ago who said "let the people that have juvenile diabetes contribute their candy money that caused it in the first place" when he was asked to donate. I did tear into him, and tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about, but he wouldn't make eye contact. There's a whole lot of misinformation out there. -- Cheri RK wrote in message ... >Lucky me and my daughter. Both in good health, both eat halfway >healthy, both thin... LOL and we get slapped with the flu and both >get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and >my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. Yes, theres many rude folks and those who don't know a hill of beans about being diabetic. But what bothers me are those who do allow themselves to get overweight then cry the "why poor me" song and dance. My GP asks me everytime know how the hell I'm still walking. Thursday after these 4 injections in my back, the nurse told me to wait while she got me a wheelchair, I literally told her "f.ck NO!" and rolled off the table, took me a few to stand without being dizzy but *I* did it! Hurting or not, if I see the weight start to pack on or my pants get a wee bit tight (other then that time of month) then I have my a.s out there walking, riding a bike or whatever along with cutting back on foods. I've never understood how a person cannot see themselves become overweight, it sure doesn't get there overnight. Okay, don't with my little rant. <g> | Yes, and the sad part is...some people are so rude to overweight people | that they just lump them all together as "fat and lazy" without knowing [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | >get autoimmune diseases from it. Gee go figure. I'm still thin and | >my daughter is ballooning up from her thyroid. >Yes, theres many rude folks and those who don't know >a hill of beans about being diabetic. But what bothers me [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Okay, don't with my little rant. <g> OK, I feel I've got to weigh in here (no pun intended). I feel that there are many routes to obesity. Some, surely, are as you say. I make a point of mentioning my own a lot because I sure as heck wish I'd known that what I went through could have been caused by diabetes. With me, I became hungry all the time, but gradually enough that I didn't really notice the change. Exercise was never the issue, because both my work and my hobbies involve a great deal of walking or exercise. But, my weight started to increase. I tried cutting back on high-calorie foods, but just got hungrier. It was a fairly steady increase, probably ten pounds a year for three years. As for looking in a mirror, yep, that got to be unpleasant. My solution, when diet after diet failed? Stop looking in the mirror. Also, get rid of clothes that no longer fit. Can we say "denial". Oh yeah, bigtime... When I was Dx'd, and the Doc told me to lose ten pounds, I literally didn't think I could do it. But, to my astonishment, I was no longer ravenously hungry all the time and weight loss became much easier. My only point is that I think it's important to realize that, such as in your Daughter's case, there are sometimes medical reasons for obesity. I feel this is important information, because surely there are many out there, like I was, trying but failing, and hating myself for it. Had I but known, not only could I have spared myself a lot of misery and extra weight, but I probably wouldn't be a full-blown T2 today. Sure, I do blame myself for some things that led to my Dx, such as drinking lots of OJ. But, I no longer feel that way about the weight. I now understand that I put up a good fight, but lost. Maybe that's easy for me to say now that I have finally lost the weight, but it's how I feel. > But, my weight started to increase. I tried cutting back on > high-calorie foods, but just got hungrier. It was a fairly steady > increase, probably ten pounds a year for three years. Ditto, just for many more years than that. > As for looking in a mirror, yep, that got to be unpleasant. My > solution, when diet after diet failed? Stop looking in the mirror. > Also, get rid of clothes that no longer fit. Can we say "denial". Oh > yeah, bigtime... Ditto, ditto, ditto. > When I was Dx'd, and the Doc told me to lose ten pounds, I literally > didn't think I could do it. But, to my astonishment, I was no longer > ravenously hungry all the time and weight loss became much easier. Ditto > My only point is that I think it's important to realize that, such as > in your Daughter's case, there are sometimes medical reasons for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > misery and extra weight, but I probably wouldn't be a full-blown T2 > today. Ditto in spades. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes | >Yes, theres many rude folks and those who don't know | >a hill of beans about being diabetic. But what bothers me [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] | easy for me to say now that I have finally lost the weight, but it's | how I feel. maybe we all need to put up billboards to inform the rest of the world what the doctors fail to do for us.. point taken Chris, I'm more talking about the ones that never tried or even tried and failed... one thing... can't say you lost the battle because you tried... it's those who don't try that lose.. and those are the ones that I bitch about.. not those who try... Reisa >| Sure, I do blame myself for some things that led to my Dx, such as >| drinking lots of OJ. But, I no longer feel that way about the weight. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >maybe we all need to put up billboards to inform the rest of the world >what the doctors fail to do for us.. There would sure be a lot of billboards.. :-) >point taken Chris, I'm more talking about the ones that never tried or >even tried and failed... I'll chalk that one up to YMMV: I certainly see, and agree with, your point, but because I was (damn, it's great to use the past tense!) obese, I don't feel right saying it. You, on the other hand, are in a different boat, so what I feel for me in no way applies to what I think you should or should not do. > one thing... can't say you lost the battle because >you tried... it's those who don't try that lose.. and those are the ones >that I bitch about.. not those who try... Thanks... I'm looking at it more as a temporary setback these days, as I finally did lose it, but only after Dx. > point taken Chris, I'm more talking about the ones that never tried or > even tried and failed... one thing... can't say you lost the battle > because > you tried... it's those who don't try that lose.. and those are the ones > that > I bitch about.. not those who try... Thing is, many of the obese, or ex-obese, people on the low-carb support group got that way AS A CONSEQUENCE OF years of yo-yo dieting on low-fat diets. If no-one tells you that, as a diabetic, a low-carb diet may actually offer a way to break that cycle - how can you blame the victim? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg Well you can't blame the victim. But you have to ask, what brought them to the yo-yo diets that failed? Why did they get there in the first place? Was it from a medical problem? Or was it "Sally" just sacked out on the couch with a bag of doritos watching General Hospital day in and day out? --- believe me, there are lots that got obese from that reason.... those are the ones that did it to themselves, not ones with medical issues. Then again, I too could have allowed myself to get obese very easily.. with my back issues -- but as much as it killed me some days.. I kept my body moving, because I knew I had to, or I'd gain weight. -- guess it depends on what you want more huh? Reisa. | > point taken Chris, I'm more talking about the ones that never tried or | > even tried and failed... one thing... can't say you lost the battle [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | | Nicky. >Or was it "Sally" just sacked out on the couch > with a bag of doritos watching General Hospital day in > and day out? I prefer watching days of our Lives while on the treadmill and I haven't had doritos in years. lol Sally >>Or was it "Sally" just sacked out on the couch >> with a bag of doritos watching General Hospital day in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sally you shouldnt rub it in on her Sally. she comes here to feel strong and fight with anyone she does not like - even still you don't have to rub it in on her lol. great to be able to work out on a treadmill isn't is. I bet you can do way more than stand on it for almost 20 minutes with out getting pissy :). today I had to stand in line at the bank for almost 20 minutes.. it went very fast. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html | you shouldnt rub it in on her Sally. she comes here to feel strong and | fight with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | today I had to stand in line at the bank for almost 20 minutes.. it went | very fast. Excuse me you little preekerhead, but you also do not have severe arthritis or degenerative disk disease in your back either.. so piss off you copulator. Just really shows what a preekerhead you are with a comment like that. If anyone deserves complications it's you, hopefully your tongue will rott and fall out. Thomas, I too am on her hit list. I have similar back problems and work full-time in a physically active job. If I got "pissy" with pain, I would pity my poor patients. Grin & bear it is my motto. Mary > you shouldnt rub it in on her Sally. she comes here to feel strong and > fight with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > today I had to stand in line at the bank for almost 20 minutes.. it went > very fast. > Thomas, I too am on her hit list. I have similar back problems and work > full-time in a physically active job. If I got "pissy" with pain, I would > pity my poor patients. Grin & bear it is my motto. > > Mary I am sorry for the pain you are feeling. this whole summer i was in pain because I irritated my sciatica nerve twice. even tho both times happened after starting a serious work out program from everything I have read it was the poor posture i was using after my work out that did it. but why? is it because increased my blood flow making the nerve bigger and more easily irritated? does stretching help ease the pain? i was given some very good meds if you have patients that have the same sciatica nerve thing i will be happy to find the bottles and tell you what they were. one was a pain med but not narcotic and the other helped to make muscles easier to stretch. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html >> you shouldnt rub it in on her Sally. she comes here to feel strong and >> fight with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> today I had to stand in line at the bank for almost 20 minutes.. it went >> very fast. Quite often sciatica is caused by compression of the nerves that come off of the spinal cord because of disks that are bulging or herniated. An MD would have to make the diagnosis through exam and MRI of the spine. I really can't tell you what would ease the pain unless you had a diagnosis, and if that's the case, your MD should be advising you concerning exercise, meds, etc. For me, physical therapy & tens didn't help at all. Celebrex has kept me working for about 6 years now, tho not pain-free. I'm having an epidural injection this week, and another in 2 wks. I've been off work because of surgery, so this is the time to take care of all fixable problems--hope it works. I work every week with the docs who do the pain injections, so that's nice for me. Anyway, I wish I could help you out by being more specific, but you need a diagnosis first. Sounds like you maybe were given Vicodin and Flexoril. When you get a chance to find them, just let me know. Mary >>Thomas, I too am on her hit list. I have similar back problems and work >>full-time in a physically active job. If I got "pissy" with pain, I would [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > narcotic and the other helped to make > muscles easier to stretch. if it happens again I will get the MRI. I wasn't asking for your advice about the stretching. I already know it helps me a lot. I was curious if stretching helps you. I have said before I thought you were pretty smart and would expect a reply very much like the one you gave. I wasn't looking for help and I know you wouldn't treat someone with this condition over the internet. I was basically just talking to you as a person and not a doctor. believe it or not I like very much talking to people that know much more than I do about any subject they just have to show they are reasonable as you have already done. is there hope that those injections will make you pain free? I hope so. yesterday while walking I felt some pain in my butt but nothing like before. it is really hard for me to get motivated to do light work outs and have been suffering from insomnia since I stopped the meds. vicodin did not help me at all. Naprosyn and Fleroril worked fantastic I was walking around in 2 days pain free :). SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html > Quite often sciatica is caused by compression of the nerves that come off > of the spinal cord because of disks that are bulging or herniated. An MD [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> not narcotic and the other helped to make >> muscles easier to stretch. > I am sorry for the pain you are feeling. this whole summer i was in > pain because > I irritated my sciatica nerve twice. even tho both times happened > after starting a serious work out program > from everything I have read it was t |
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