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pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.

In many ways, I am finding it hard to stay on the "diabetic wagon" and
follow the rules of having diabetes.  I think that in a lot of ways, I am in
denial yet of having the disease.  Is there anyone here who has the same
problem as I do.  Also, would love to talk to others who totally understand
what and how I feel about having diabetes.

Thanks.
Jeannette
Nicky - 01 Nov 2005 21:46 GMT
> Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
> many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.

Hi, Jeannette - nice to meet you! I've only been dx'd about 18 months, so I
haven't had a case of serious burnout yet - not looking forward to it!
Anticipating it is one of the reasons I continue to hang out here, where
there'll always be someone who's been there, done that and will listen
whilst I rant!

Do you have a particular rant in mind? : )

Nicky.

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Ma¢k - 01 Nov 2005 22:07 GMT
>Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
>many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Thanks.
>Jeannette

denial is common amongst all people with a chronic illness.  You've
come to the right place to discuss that issue.  Welcome to the group
and be specific about your questions and points and you'll get the
better responses.

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pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 22:26 GMT
Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)

Jeannette

>>Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
>>many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> and be specific about your questions and points and you'll get the
> better responses.
Cheri - 01 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT
I am, but just a very minimum 500mg a day with 2mg of Amaryl.

--
Cheri

pverburgh wrote in message ...
>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>
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>>
>> Jesus never hated anyone.
pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 22:33 GMT
I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
mg a day.

>I am, but just a very minimum 500mg a day with 2mg of Amaryl.
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>>>
>>> Jesus never hated anyone.
None Given - 01 Nov 2005 23:06 GMT
> I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
> mg a day.

2500mg, 2, 1, 2

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Chris J. - 01 Nov 2005 23:37 GMT
>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
>mg a day.

I'm taking the same. I'm fairly new, as I was Dx'd three months ago.
I didn't have the chance to go through denial because my diabetes
landed me in hospital (where I was Dx'd). But, I sure can sympathize
with what you are going through.  
Grandpa Chuck - 01 Nov 2005 23:42 GMT
>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
>mg a day.

I wonder why your doctor has you taking two 500mg each time instead of
the 1000mg tablets. Any idea?
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Chris J. - 02 Nov 2005 00:11 GMT
>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
>>mg a day.
>
>I wonder why your doctor has you taking two 500mg each time instead of
>the 1000mg tablets. Any idea?

In my case, I was on two 500 mg per day and the doc upped to 2000 mg
per day. I still had a lot of the 500mg left, so asked the Doc if
there was any reason not to take 'em. She said there was no
difference, and that some people preferred the smaller pills anyway.
Grandpa Chuck - 02 Nov 2005 00:23 GMT
>>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
>>>mg a day.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>there was any reason not to take 'em. She said there was no
>difference, and that some people preferred the smaller pills anyway.

Makes sense to me. I did the same thing until I ran out of the 500mg
tabs.

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for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,027.
United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102

Dennis Rekuta - 02 Nov 2005 05:51 GMT
>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking 2000
>>mg a day.
>
> I wonder why your doctor has you taking two 500mg each time instead of
> the 1000mg tablets. Any idea?

Because we are Canadians! Metformin is completely generic here and has
been for decades. One would be very silly to buy brand name Glucophage
here. About all you can get are 500 mg pills. It would be more expensive
to make and stock a 1,000 mg (so there aren't any), and I have never
seen an extended release tab, or the 850 mg that seem to be available in
the USA. The 500 mg pills are preferred as they are scored and can be
easily split, and the dosage can then be easily ramped up 250 mg at a
time. I have taken 1 at breakfast, 2 at lunch, and 2 at dinner for years.

Jeanette, Prandin is the brand name in the USA for repaglinide. In
Europe a brand is called Novonorm, and in Canada it is called GlucoNorm.
You take 2 - 4 mg just before a meal, much like a Type 1 would take a
shot of fast acting insulin before a meal. It pushes the pancreas to put
out more insulin for the meal. It does not work for everyone. A similar
med is Starlix.

Acarbose is called Prandase in Canada, which is why the name Prandin
can't be used in Canada. It is too close and could cause mix ups.
Acarbose is more of a help to me than the repaglinide. Taken with meals,
it stalls absorption of carbs until later in the digestive tract, so
less are converted to glucose in the blood. It works best with a regular
or higher carb meal, and can cause gas, but does cut the BG spikes.

Dennis (Type 2)
Windsor, Ontario
pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 14:30 GMT
And you also take the Metformin too?  If that is the case, then why do you
take the other stuff right before meals?  Make sense?

Jeannette

>>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking
>>>2000 mg a day.
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> Dennis (Type 2)
> Windsor, Ontario
Dennis Rekuta - 03 Nov 2005 05:52 GMT
> And you also take the Metformin too?  If that is the case, then why do you
> take the other stuff right before meals?  Make sense?

Metformin alone was not enough to keep my numbers in some control. I had
a kidney transplant ten years ago. Two drugs I take to suppress my
immune system and to keep it from rejecting my new kidney are
cyclosporine and prednisone (a form of steroid). Both have the side
effect of constantly increasing my B.G.'s. I wasn't diagnosed as a Type
2 until after my transplant, but I am sure I was diabetic long before.

I started with glyburide, and then was sent to an endocrinologist, who
started me on metformin (250 g at a time increasing to 2,500 g per day).
After a time, my quarterly HbA1c (A1c) results were still not good
enough. Repaglinide was then added, which dropped my post meal readings
a little. The addition of acarbose to my more carb laden meals a year
later made a much bigger difference, as did some insulin at night to
lower my waking readings. By taking a full range of meds, my A1c's now
run about 6.5 % to 6.8 %, which is probably as good as I can expect
while taking immunosuppressants. I could start exercising like a maniac,
but realistically, that "ain't gonna happen."

As we say, YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary), and many people can control
their diabetes with diet and exercise alone. Many need some medications,
 and others need a lot of medications. Some use extreme low carb diets,
many use moderate low carb diets, and others do not need to.

By the way, I am from Windsor, Ontario, at the southern most part of
Canada, right on the USA border. Downtown Detroit, Michigan is barely 2
km as the crow flies from my apartment window. Three of the five local
TV stations in Detroit carried live coverage of the funeral in Detroit
of Rosa Parks, civil rights pioneer. That is an example of how much
exposure to the USA versus Canada we get down here.

Keep asking questions, we are all here to help.

Dennis (type 2)
pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT
Dennis, where in Canada are you from?  Just wondering.

Jeannette

>>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking
>>>2000 mg a day.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Dennis (Type 2)
> Windsor, Ontario
pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 14:27 GMT
I have no idea.  Maybe they don't make them in the 1000mg form.

Jeannette

>>I take two pills in the morning and two at supper time.  So I am taking
>>2000
>>mg a day.
>
> I wonder why your doctor has you taking two 500mg each time instead of
> the 1000mg tablets. Any idea?
Grandpa Chuck - 02 Nov 2005 18:13 GMT
>I have no idea.  Maybe they don't make them in the 1000mg form.
>
>Jeannette

Don't know where you are.
Here in Iowa the 1,000mg are a generic and are as available as the
500mg. Of course that might not be the same from pharmacy to pharmacy
depending on demand at a particular store.
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current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 2, 2005 is 2,032.
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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 18:25 GMT
Grandpa, I am in New Brunswick, Canada.
Jeannette

>>I have no idea.  Maybe they don't make them in the 1000mg form.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 500mg. Of course that might not be the same from pharmacy to pharmacy
> depending on demand at a particular store.
None Given - 02 Nov 2005 20:55 GMT
> Don't know where you are.
> Here in Iowa the 1,000mg are a generic and are as available as the
> 500mg. Of course that might not be the same from pharmacy to pharmacy
> depending on demand at a particular store.

I figure I may be better off with the 500mg because I take 5 of them.  If I
took 2 1000mg and one 500mg, it would be two copays.

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Colleen - 01 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT
It's "metformin".  Your spelling is a common mistake.

I'm on metformin and Prandin as needed.  Metformin is an excellent diabetes
drug.  You still need to do the diet and exercise but the metformin is a
good aid.

The denial is common.  Read some of the past posts and I think you'll get a
lot of information to help you learn to eat right and to manage this
illness.  I was diagnosed 3 years ago and now managing it is second nature
to me.  I don't even have to think about what to eat anymore.  I've learned
through trial and lotsa error (for we all make lotsa errors) what works for
me.  What works for me may not work for you.  That's why we say YMMV.

c
> Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>> and be specific about your questions and points and you'll get the
>> better responses.
pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 22:35 GMT
Why are you on the Prandin on top of the metfomin?  I don't understand that.
The diet and exercise is the hard part.  I find that I want stuff that I am
not suppose to do and for the exercise-need to get motivated.

What does YMMV mean?

Jeannette
> It's "metformin".  Your spelling is a common mistake.
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>>> and be specific about your questions and points and you'll get the
>>> better responses.
Ma¢k - 01 Nov 2005 22:50 GMT
>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>
>Jeannette

not me, I am type 1 on insulin since I was 8, but there are great
many, the majority of the posters here, who have been or who are using
it now.  You will get a lot of help with that med.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt

        (o o)  
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 23:26 GMT
Mack, are you on the needles for insulin or do you have an insulin pump?
Just wondering.

Jeannette

>>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> many, the majority of the posters here, who have been or who are using
> it now.  You will get a lot of help with that med.
David - 01 Nov 2005 23:28 GMT
> Mack, are you on the needles for insulin or do you have an insulin pump?
> Just wondering.
>
> Jeannette

so as not to keep you in suspense, I'll answer now:
he gave up pumping years ago.
David - 01 Nov 2005 23:29 GMT
>> Mack, are you on the needles for insulin or do you have an insulin
>> pump? Just wondering.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> so as not to keep you in suspense, I'll answer now:
> he gave up pumping years ago.
or was that "willbill"?  or both.
I think both of them quit pumping.

I'd KILL to keep pumping. :)

Dave
RK - 02 Nov 2005 01:28 GMT
lol "on the needles" sounds just so wrong.
makes it sound like we're doing something
illegal.

RK, T1 - Animas IR1250 Pumper

| Mack, are you on the needles for insulin or do you have an insulin pump?
| Just wondering.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| > many, the majority of the posters here, who have been or who are using
| > it now.  You will get a lot of help with that med.
Ma¢k - 02 Nov 2005 05:48 GMT
>Mack, are you on the needles for insulin or do you have an insulin pump?
>Just wondering.
>
>Jeannette

I am currentl.y injecting via syringes and pens.  was pumping for a
while.  If you can afford pumping and have the insurance I highly
recommend it for the best in type 1 control BEFORE complications set
in.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt

        (o o)  
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

Grandpa Chuck - 01 Nov 2005 23:40 GMT
>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>
>Jeannette

Many of us Type 2 diabetics.
Don't know the exact number.
I take a 1000mg with my very small breakfast and another one with my
evening meal.

How much does your doctor have you on right now?
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A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all.
Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return.
A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there.
================================================================
The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,027.
United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102

pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 14:33 GMT
My doctor has me on 2000 a day.  1000 in the morning and 1000 at supper
time.  Today, am not doing so great as I am eating candy.  Man, I can just
kick myself.

Jeannette

>>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> How much does your doctor have you on right now?
Grandpa Chuck - 02 Nov 2005 18:19 GMT
>My doctor has me on 2000 a day.  1000 in the morning and 1000 at supper
>time.  Today, am not doing so great as I am eating candy.  Man, I can just
>kick myself.
>
>Jeannette

No need to kick yourself. Just work the candy you love into your meal
plan for the day. We always have some candy on hand just in case I
become hypo. Also, I sometimes get a craving for chocolate so we keep
candies such as Nestles Treasures in the fridge. Some evenings I will
eat three of those with my diet coke, ice tea or coffee about three
and half hours after my evening meal. That way it doesn't spike me and
I don't have to lay a guilt trip on myself. My A1c las month was 5.6
so it must be working.

If you overdo today just get back on your healthy eating tomorrow and
move on rather than laying guilt all over yourself. Feeling guilty may
prompt you to keep eating more of those high carb foods then you want
to.
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A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all.
Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return.
A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there.
================================================================
The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Nov. 2, 2005 is 2,032.
United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102

pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 18:27 GMT
Thank you, Grandpa.  You are a big help.  Actually I think all of you are
big help.  Especially with information about diabetes.

Jeannette

>>My doctor has me on 2000 a day.  1000 in the morning and 1000 at supper
>>time.  Today, am not doing so great as I am eating candy.  Man, I can just
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> prompt you to keep eating more of those high carb foods then you want
> to.
None Given - 02 Nov 2005 18:50 GMT
> My doctor has me on 2000 a day.  1000 in the morning and 1000 at supper
> time.  Today, am not doing so great as I am eating candy.  Man, I can just
> kick myself.

Don't buy any more.  Look for low sugar kinds to reward yourself for eating
things that are good for you.  Lindt makes 70% and 85% chocolate bars, I eat
one or two 10g squares at a time.  There are also artificially sweetened
candies, they are self limiting because if you eat too much you'll be
careful not to do that again because it can give you digestive problems you
won't want to repeat.

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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 19:22 GMT
2000 mg all together.  1000 in the morning and 1000 at supper time

Jeannette

>>Thanks, Mack.  How many here are on Metaformin (spelling)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> How much does your doctor have you on right now?
Cheri - 01 Nov 2005 22:30 GMT
Hi Jeannette. How long has it been since you've been diagnosed? It seems
to be fairly common to be in denial right at first because there is a
lot to learn, and it goes on for a lifetime because the conditions can
change over time. I'm going into my eighth year and I still go through
stages where I'm totally sick of the whole thing, but the alternatives
are so much worse than keeping a handle on it, so I just keep on keeping
on as they say. Best to you and post often.

--
Cheri

pverburgh wrote in message ...
>Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
>many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Thanks.
>Jeannette
pverburgh - 01 Nov 2005 22:37 GMT
Well, this is sort of weird, but I was diagnosed five years ago in
Woodstock.  About a year later, and a different doctor, I was told that I am
glucose impaired.  Then I was pregnant with gestational diabetes.  Then this
past February, I was officially diagnosed with diabetes-three years after
having my daughter.  I hope that this makes sense to you all.

Jeannette
> Hi Jeannette. How long has it been since you've been diagnosed? It seems
> to be fairly common to be in denial right at first because there is a
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>Thanks.
>>Jeannette
Ozgirl - 02 Nov 2005 01:43 GMT
> Well, this is sort of weird, but I was diagnosed five years ago in
> Woodstock.  About a year later, and a different doctor, I was told
> that I am glucose impaired.  Then I was pregnant with
gestational
> diabetes.  Then this past February, I was officially
diagnosed with
> diabetes-three years after having my daughter.  I hope
that this
> makes sense to you all.

Yes ;) The first doctor might be of the modern ilk,
diagnosing as soon as some numbers hit diabetic level,
others tend to diagnose later rather than sooner. There has
also been a number of changes to the target bg's for
diagnosis, again some doctors are still using targets from
many years ago. Ideally a person with impaired numbers is
shown how to avoid a type 2 diagnosis but the world of
diabetes treatment and prevention isn't near ideal at this
point in time. But you are here now, and talking about your
diabetes so it should all come together for you now ;)
Alan S - 02 Nov 2005 02:48 GMT
>Well, this is sort of weird, but I was diagnosed five years ago in
>Woodstock.  About a year later, and a different doctor, I was told that I am
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Jeannette

Hi Jeanette.

It makes a lot of sense. Rant anytime you want. You're in
the right place (just don't get upset if we don't all agree
wit you every time:-)

I'd suggest two things in the next 24 hours.

1. Read every post here today - even the spam, kooks and
idiots. It will help you learn how to sift the good stuff
from the bad - we are un-moderated. It's worth the effort,
because in amongst it all there is some very good
information that you need to read. You'll also learn who to
ignore next time:-)

2. Read this link from our associated web-site, then re-read
it and print it out, then start acting on it:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Good luck, come back with lots of questions.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Tiger Lily - 01 Nov 2005 22:33 GMT
Jeanette

come talk to us live in chat........ it's easier
to develop a conversation and get the feed back
right away

most of the people in chat are type 2 although
they do have token type 1's like myself there

busiest time is 5pm MST thru 9pm MST.......... but
you will most likely find someone only 5 min away
during the day

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> Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
> many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
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> Thanks.
> Jeannette
Vicki Beausoleil - 01 Nov 2005 22:40 GMT
> Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
> many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks.
> Jeannette

Hi Jeannette

I was wondering if anyone would ask outright where Oromocto is. I knew
;-)

Being in denial is very common. You have taken the first step out of
your denial by coming here and introducing yourself.

The next step is to work your way through it by testing. Here's the sage
advice given to all newbies, and those oldies wishing to gain control,
courtesy of our very own Jennifer. It has helped countless people gain
control over this disease we all wrestle with every day.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

This will help establish for you which foods you need to "work on" to
achieve numbers that will make your doctor jump for joy. Print out a
copy. Read it often. Devise a plan.

Soooo, how about exercise? Do you get some exercise every day? Did you
know that a good brisk walk is the easiest and healthiest way to get rid
of a high bg reading?

Oh, and to get mg/dl readings from our mmol/l meters, just multiply by
18. Mg/dl is used by the Americans, everybody else uses mmol/l.

Again, welcome.

Vicki
T1, pumper
Gatineau, Quebec
Grandpa Chuck - 01 Nov 2005 23:38 GMT
>Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.  Like
>many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Thanks.
>Jeannette

Welcome Jeannette to our little family that no one really wants to
qualify for.

It took me some time to do, but Laurie (my wife) and I have taught
ourselves to automatically count carbs and read the label on all the
things that go into our grocery cart.

Learning to "eat to your meter" by testing before and at least once
after a meal when trying a new food will give you an idea if that
particular food spikes you.

Portion control helps tremendously. It may take a bit of doing, but if
you just start reducing the size of the portions you put on your plate
a little at a time you will soon get a handle on it. I put everything
on my plate that I am going eat before taking the first bite and it is
extremely rare for me to take even a small second helping. Another
trick is that I lay my fork down between mouths full and I purposely
eat very slowly.

If you slip and fall instead of beating yourself up, just do like the
song says, "Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off and start all over
again."

Believe it or not this disease can be a blessing if you use it to
teach you healthy eating habits and to prompt you to become more
physically active.

Best of luck to you.
Remember to test, test, test.

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Ozgirl - 02 Nov 2005 01:32 GMT
> Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New Brunswick, Canada.
> Like many of you here, I am also a diabetic, type two.
>
> In many ways, I am finding it hard to stay on the "diabetic wagon" and
> follow the rules of having diabetes.  I think that in a lot of ways,
> I am in denial yet of having the disease.  Is there anyone
here who
> has the same problem as I do.  Also, would love to talk to
others who
> totally understand what and how I feel about having
diabetes.

I have never had the problems you have but my ex did. He
grieved at diagnosis and he admitted it was grief over the
loss of large McDonald's meals, large hot fries as snacks,
milkshakes, big desserts etc etc.

Would it help to make a list of all the reasons it is
important to you to keep from getting complications? For me
the number one reason is I am an older mother (single) with
4 kids still at home, the youngest disabled. That is pretty
strong incentive for me to remain as healthy as I can be.
You might have similar things important to you.

What part of the diabetic "rules" are you finding hard to
cope with?
I have seen people upset at having to eat small meals and
find they are eating a small piece of meat and a few
tablespoons of green beans for a main meal, that would get
me upset too! Diabetes is not about having small meals, just
smaller amounts of certain things.

Having a rant in here is perfectly acceptable by the way.
Some people feel better unburdening in places like this
rather than to concerned spouses etc. So if you can expand a
bit on your diabetic "worries"......
pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 19:26 GMT
Basically I am having problems with the whole thing as I don't have all the
information about diabetes.

Jeannette

>> Hi, everyone.   I am Jeannette and I live in New
> Brunswick, Canada.
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> rather than to concerned spouses etc. So if you can expand a
> bit on your diabetic "worries"......
Nicky - 02 Nov 2005 21:39 GMT
> Basically I am having problems with the whole thing as I don't have all
> the information about diabetes.

I'd recommend Gretchen Becker's book, "Type 2 Diabetes; The First Year" -
well written, worth re-reading often.

In the meantime, here's the single most empowering piece of information
you'll ever get on diabetes:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

Nicky.

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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 21:48 GMT
Thanks, Nicky.

Jeannette

>> Basically I am having problems with the whole thing as I don't have all
>> the information about diabetes.
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>
> Nicky.
None Given - 02 Nov 2005 21:53 GMT
> Basically I am having problems with the whole thing as I don't have all the
> information about diabetes.

I don't think there's any such thing as _all_ the information about diabetes
or anything else.  Start with these, but I'm sure there is much more out
there.
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/
http://www.mendosa.com/
http://joslin.org/Files/Nutrition_ClinGuide.pdf
http://www.dlife.com/
http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 22:07 GMT
Thanks for the websites.  I bookmarked them all so I can go and look at them
more closely.  Hate to rush reading info that is very important to diabetes.

Jeannette
Susan Adair - 02 Nov 2005 03:03 GMT
Jeannette, I had my rant a few weeks ago when I came back to the list.
I was IGT for a long time; I used this list and misc.health.diabetes
for information on trying to keep my bg in the igt range; then I got
complacent, and too cheap to keep buying strips, and ignored everything
for a couple of years.  In April I got the diagnosis I should have
known was coming. So I am back here;; a lot is familiar, but the wide
use of metformin is new.  I am planning to ask my doc for it when I see
her again in January because I think it would give me better control
than diet and exercise is.  Not that diet and exercise don't do a lot
of good, but the metformin people who manage diet and exercise are
getting better numbers than I am.

I'm still in retuning phase, doing research and experimenting, but I
already know that holding to a decent diet for lower bg and weight loss
is very difficult when I eat outside my home.  Restaurant meals just
don't often allow for the lower carb diet I aim for.  Fast food is
really hard to manage, and the cheap stuff is not good for me.  It is a
frustration to eat lunch on campus, where I work.  There are Indian
restaurants, Mexican restaurants, Oriental restaurants, and lots of
fast food places, all with high-carb foods and very little that fits my
needs.  It is frustrating, and expensive, because I can't rely on the
left-over lentils and casseroles from the night before that used to be
my mainstay.

Jenny's advice is good.  Working past the denial is not something I've
handled yet, but I am expecting some issuse this winter, because I used
to to a lot of baking of lovely whole and part whole-wheat bread, and
eat a couple of slices strainght from the oven, then toast and slices
with every meal.  That can't happen this winter.  My husband will miss
it, my staff at work will miss it, I will miss it.  I am keeping before
me the complications I am most afraid of - retinopathy and kidney
problems.

Exercise is a help for me, because I am waliking through nice
neighborhoods near campus at lunch.  They have trees, and older houses,
and good places to walk.  When the snow flys I'll have to do something
else, but I can get in at least 30 minutes on my lunch hour; it feels
good, I feel responsible and it seems to do good for my post-prandial
readings even in to the evening.  If you can work pleasuralble brisk
walks into your daily routine that might help.  One thing it does for
me is keep me from being around food I should not eat during the lunch
hour

Keep coming here, and posting, and reading the posts of others.  A
couple of people here have a lot of knowledge of the dietary benefits
of all those vegetables you know are good for you, and make them sound
tempting.  Look for Quentin's posts, and Annette's for inspiration to
eat well without eating a lot of flour and starch.   I am not an eager
cook, but I am slowing experimenting with some of the foods Quentin has
mentioned.

Life is change, but there may be joy in the morning.

Susan Adiar
Nicky - 02 Nov 2005 09:50 GMT
> I'm still in retuning phase, doing research and experimenting, but I
> already know that holding to a decent diet for lower bg and weight loss
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> left-over lentils and casseroles from the night before that used to be
> my mainstay.

Susan, have you tried talking to them? I have my local Indian restaurant
trained to cook food I can eat and enjoy, and am in the middle of working
with my favourite Chinese restaurant. Straightforward curries and Baltis
have never been an issue, and I can eat them with lentil dahls (portion
controlled) without a problem. Chinese dishes are often fine so long as they
remember to leave thickeners out - I take my own low-carb tortillas and
low-carb Hoisin if we fancy Peking duck, and the only thing I really miss
out on is twice-fried beef, which is soaked in sugar before the second
frying. Doesn't sound so good described like that : )

Nicky.

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Alan S - 02 Nov 2005 12:05 GMT
> Restaurant meals just
>don't often allow for the lower carb diet I aim for.  Fast food is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>fast food places, all with high-carb foods and very little that fits my
>needs.

I know salads can get boring, but do any of them do side
salads that you could order as a main? In Indian restaurants
I have the curry without rice, maybe a half serve of naan
bread. Similarly, in Chinese, things like combination soups,
pho without noodles (Vietnamese) or stir-fry chicken and
veges (ask them to not thicken the sauce).

I found in all of the various restaurants there are options
- but sometimes it takes discipline to leave the things you
don't want on the plate - and the same for serves that are
too big.

Even burgers are possible; throw the top of the bun in the
bin, eat the filling, then throw the bottom of the bun as
well:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 14:51 GMT
What do the Chinese restaurants put into their thickeners for some of their
stir fries that we are not suppose to have?  I am just wondering.

Jeannette

>> Restaurant meals just
>>don't often allow for the lower carb diet I aim for.  Fast food is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Nicky - 02 Nov 2005 18:49 GMT
> What do the Chinese restaurants put into their thickeners for some of
> their stir fries that we are not suppose to have?  I am just wondering.

Cornflour.

Nicky.

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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 19:05 GMT
And cornflour isn't good?

Jeannette

>> What do the Chinese restaurants put into their thickeners for some of
>> their stir fries that we are not suppose to have?  I am just wondering.
>
> Cornflour.
>
> Nicky.
RK - 02 Nov 2005 19:12 GMT
its a heavy starch... something to stay away
from unless you plan on running a marathon
which wont give you energy anyhow.. <g>

basically try to stay away from or limit any
type of "white" foods... ie: rice, flour, sugar
potatoes, bread... replace them with 100%
wheat if you can.. I've switched to red potatoes
simply because they don't impact my glucose
as much as russetts do.

RK
| And cornflour isn't good?
|
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| >
| > Nicky.
pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 19:29 GMT
I am to out of shape to run a marathon.  Am trying to lose weight though,
but not exercising and I know that I need to.

Jeannette

> its a heavy starch... something to stay away
> from unless you plan on running a marathon
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> | >
> | > Nicky.
Alan S - 03 Nov 2005 00:36 GMT
>I am to out of shape to run a marathon.  Am trying to lose weight though,
>but not exercising and I know that I need to.
>
>Jeannette

Hi Jeanette

Although several people have given you this link
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
you obviously haven't read it.

Please do. You don't realise how badly you need to.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Vicki Beausoleil - 02 Nov 2005 19:44 GMT
> And cornflour isn't good?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
> > 95/74/72Kg

We call it cornstarch. It's pure starch, nothing else. Because it's
hidden in the sauces, it can come as a surprise. All Chinese-style
dishes with a sauce are thickened with some sort of starch. Look for the
telltale shine on the food. Also, cornstarch is often used for fried
foods. Any food with a very thin, very crispy coating is usually
cornstarch.

Vicki
Ma¢k - 02 Nov 2005 20:03 GMT
>And cornflour isn't good?
>
>Jeannette

it's a fast acting carb that hits the blood stream in a short period
of time and raises the BG very fast unpredictably high.

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Ma¢k - 02 Nov 2005 19:59 GMT
>What do the Chinese restaurants put into their thickeners for some of their
>stir fries that we are not suppose to have?  I am just wondering.
>
>Jeannette

things like cornstarch, table sugar, etc.  you can ask them.  any of
the better places will know and will tell you.  some will have no
problems (if they make their own sauces) using less of those
ingredients and or putting the sauces on the side so that you can use
them as dips sparingly.

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Ozgirl - 03 Nov 2005 01:03 GMT
> What do the Chinese restaurants put into their thickeners for some of their
> stir fries that we are not suppose to have?  I am just wondering.

My local el cheapo at the mall went from using cornflour to
potato flour. The cornflour produces a clear sauce, easily
recognisable, the potato amore cloudier one. I noticed a big
difference in bg's when eating the local stir fried veggies,
had to end up not going there anymore as the veggies dish
was half my plate, the rest was chicken in non sweet sauces.
Jenny - 02 Nov 2005 14:48 GMT
> In many ways, I am finding it hard to stay on the "diabetic wagon" and
> follow the rules of having diabetes.  I think that in a lot of ways, I am in
> denial yet of having the disease.  

Jeanette,

It is very possible that a huge part of your "denial" stems from having
been given outdated dietary guidelines that make you hungry and
exhausted all the time.

If you are eating a lot of carbohydrates and cutting way back on fat,
you may be worsening your blood sugar and putting yourself on the up and
down blood sugar roller coaster that makes for misery.

I'd like to add to the voices suggesting you follow Jennifer's excellent
advice at http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm and
that you cut back your carbohydrate intake until you can reach those
targets.

If you need help in finding foods you can eat, there are a ton of low
carbohydrate cookbooks available.

On a lowered carbohydrate plan, you can eat enough food to feel
satisfied, and more importantly raging hunger becomes a thing of the past.

It is well worth a try.

--Jenny

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/  Type 2 Diabetes info
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pverburgh - 02 Nov 2005 15:02 GMT
Thanks, Jenny, for the help.  I am glad that I came to this group.  I found
the address to this group in a book that I got the other day called
"Diabetes for Canadians for Dummies."

Jeannette

>> In many ways, I am finding it hard to stay on the "diabetic wagon" and
>> follow the rules of having diabetes.  I think that in a lot of ways, I am
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> http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/  Type 2 Diabetes info
> http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/  Low Carb info
Ozgirl - 03 Nov 2005 01:05 GMT
> Thanks, Jenny, for the help.  I am glad that I came to this group.  I found
> the address to this group in a book that I got the other day called
> "Diabetes for Canadians for Dummies."

One other thing, I noticed you eat oatmeal in another
thread. Is this at breakfast? And what does it do toy your
bg? Most diabetics find they are very carb sensitive
(insulin resistant) in the mornings. Oatmeal is something a
lot of us can't have or can only eat it later in the day,
even smallish amounts.
Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Nov 2005 18:18 GMT
Jeannette, welcome to our group.  You will find we all have had that
problem at one time or another.  It took me about two and a half years
to get control, so for sure you are not alone.

Please ask all the questions you want,  Also, lets have some information
as to your age, your diagnosis, your aic levels.

Stay with us, We walk the journey

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