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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / November 2005OT? Restless leg syndrome???
Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? Were you able to figure out what triggered it? Were you able to stop it from occurring? Were you able to stop it once it started and if so how? Do you know if was related to your diabetes or perhaps some drug you were taking? It hit me last night for the second time in less than a month. I had to take some Tramadol and then wait for that to take effect before I could settle down enough to finally get to sleep. We went to bed at eleven and I was still awake at two. No matter what I did my leg would not stay still for more than a few seconds. If I forced it to it would start to hurt. Laurie even woke up and tried rubbing it for awhile. That seemed to help, but as soon as she stopped it went back to moving at least every twenty seconds. Not mild twitches either. I'm talking of moving from being straight to being doubled up at a right angle or being behind me. I have no idea how many times I rolled from side-to-side. I got up three times and walked around in an effort to not disturb her. Thank you friends.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. It can be induced by medications. Taking anything new recently? c > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thank you friends. >It can be induced by medications. Taking anything new recently? >c No. Instead I suddenly stopped taking one of my arthritis meds that happens to be mild narcotic. Since posting my question I talked to my pharmacist. He told me to taper off the drug and not just stop taking it. He said what I went through could very well have been caused by my suddenly stopping its use. Tonight I will take only one of them rather than the usual two and see how I do. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. Most drugs in that class you need to taper off from gradually otherwise you can get nasty withdrawal symptoms. Hope you feel better tonight. c >>It can be induced by medications. Taking anything new recently? >>c [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Tonight I will take only one of them rather than the usual two and see > how I do. I use to have that. My doctor gave me alprazolam and I don't have it anymore. SusanLA Mo > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thank you friends. Hmm I am on that too. I don't take it often but I may start. Thanks for the info Susan. > I use to have that. My doctor gave me alprazolam and I don't have it > anymore. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > Thank you friends. well heres something scary for you Chuck. when i've been lazy and not taken my tramadol when I should have and go to bed.. I always have that problem... though my legs never rest.. I also feel like i'm having an anxiety attack. stupid me mentioned it to my doctor. lol she guesses... it's called "withdrawl" can we say opps? you might just be on the verge of needing more tramadol., though its not a narcodic, it is highly addictive I've found out. I normally take 3 at a time 4x a day.. either way, hope you figure it out and you get some rest. ur in my thoughts. Reisa | Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? | [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | | Thank you friends. > you might just be on the verge of needing more > tramadol., though its not a narcodic, it is highly > addictive I've found out. I normally take 3 at a time > 4x a day.. Oh, sh.t, that's what the dr prescribed for my sciatica the other day. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes >>you might just be on the verge of needing more >>tramadol., though its not a narcodic, it is highly >>addictive I've found out. I normally take 3 at a time >>4x a day.. > > Oh, sh.t, that's what the dr prescribed for my sciatica the other day. I steer clear of that stuff. Literally a few hours after just one Tramadol you can look at me and tick off all the side effects. It's a long list and I get almost all of them, especially the rare and unusual ones. MMDV :) Just rambling, Bastian. > I steer clear of that stuff. Literally a few hours after just one > Tramadol you can look at me and tick off all the side effects. It's a > long list and I get almost all of them, especially the rare and unusual > ones. I haven't noticed anything, so far. The anti-inflammatories were messing up my tummy. One tramadol just takes the edge off the pain, about the same as two naproxen. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes | > you might just be on the verge of needing more | > tramadol., though its not a narcodic, it is highly | > addictive I've found out. I normally take 3 at a time | > 4x a day.. | | Oh, sh.t, that's what the dr prescribed for my sciatica the other day. This I will say... it works BETTER then any freakin narcodic I've had. If I keep a steady flow in me, other then the euphoric feeling (that I like btw) from the morphine, I'd rather just have the Tramadol. Best of Luck... and are you 100% sure its your sciatica? If it is, I can emphazise... Danni laid on mine whole time she was in the oven. damn kids.. gotta just love um.. Reisa > Best of Luck... and are you 100% sure its your sciatica? If it is, I can > emphazise... Danni laid on mine whole time she was in the oven. > damn kids.. gotta just love um.. That's what the dr said it was. She said the xray said there was something wrong with my disc and I need to get a MRI. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes | > Best of Luck... and are you 100% sure its your sciatica? If it is, I can | > emphazise... Danni laid on mine whole time she was in the oven. | > damn kids.. gotta just love um.. | | That's what the dr said it was. She said the xray said there was something | wrong with my disc and I need to get a MRI. Well I hate to sound cocky, but having to deal with idiot doctors and having surgery.. reading several sets of xrays, cscans and mri's... what exactly are your symptoms and where? If ya don't mind.. might be able to shed some light on it... Reisa > | That's what the dr said it was. She said the xray said there was > something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > exactly are your symptoms and where? If ya don't mind.. might be able > to shed some light on it... It started out in my lower back, it was a little stiff and sore one morning and got more so over a couple of days. Then I sneezed and got a spasm, I've had those before a couple of times and it took several days before I was able to stand up straight. This time, after a couple of days my back didn't bother me any more but I woke up with pains in both hips, one side was shooting down my leg and the other side quit hurting after not very long. I tried putting heat on it, being well padded it may not have gotten to the part it needed to. I tried ibuprofen and I tried naproxen, as many as six of those per day, I also went through a couple of bottles of zyflamend (herbal anti-inflammatory) at the same time. All any of it did was take the edge off the pain for a couple of hours. It started in June and hasn't gotten any better. If I have to walk around a lot both my hips hurt more for a couple of days but they always have done that. This same hip has been a problem since I was a little kid so it probably has some arthritis in it, too. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes | > | That's what the dr said it was. She said the xray said there was | > something [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] | a problem since I was a little kid so it probably has some arthritis in it, | too. sounds more like to me the L4-5/L5-S1 region has been aggravated more so. basically the sneeze = spazm what tells me this. get them to give you a bone density test. if the bones are too dense they cant handle the jarring motion from a sneeze thus slightly moving and pinching a nerve ending, most times a simple twist to one side then the other can unpinch it, but if it remains pinched (like mine did) then you can end up over time with nerve loss in your lower back and legs. tmrw I go in for another first set of injections for my back.. this round is 6 of them, 3 on the right and 3 on the left, this is for my hip joints because of the arthritis and deteroation I have... damn see i'm so in need of a full body transplant, but damn eBay just don't have any listed.. *sigh* If the doctor offers you the injections take them.. they do wonders 90% of the time.. granted its hell on the bg for the first week or two.. but after they drop back to normal (or normal for you).. since pain keeps me at a constant battle and contant anti-inflamitories this really has been a God send for me. keep us informed pls.. i'll be sending good thoughts your way.. Reisa.. >well heres something scary for you Chuck. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Reisa From what the pharmacist said that is exactly what it was. The arthritis in my back had settled down to a level where I don't feel the need of the Tramadol so I just quit taking it cold turkey. He said I should instead taper myself off of it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. | >well heres something scary for you Chuck. | > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] | the need of the Tramadol so I just quit taking it cold turkey. He said | I should instead taper myself off of it. Yep.. I knew it when you said your legs were restless.. I'd never felt that before.. The first time, I ran out and kept putting off getting a refill, well one good thing, was Mike who told me I was having withdrawls he made me call the doctor. When you said that, I knew exactly what it was. Yes, taper off them is the best thing. Reduce to 1 pill then spread out the time between you take them till you're down to nothing. Though, if I don't keep a steady supply in me, I can hardly walk now a days.. Tonight Mike was laughing at me... Bastard.. lol Best of Luck my friend Reisa >| >well heres something scary for you Chuck. >| > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Reisa Thank you Reisa. Even though I plan to do just that I called the doctor's office today to have them renew my prescription for it. I know that my back may be much better right now, but it is only a matter of time before the stiffness and constant pain returns. On the days that I take Methotrexate I am not allowed to take my NSAID and Tylenol doesn't touch that kind of pain. I think it is the change in weather we have had even if it is 43F here right now. We moved the mower to the back of the garage today and put the snow blower in the front. We also moved the salt, the sand and the snow shovels to the front of the garage. At least Laurie can lift those heavy bags. I would have to have figure out a way to get them on to the two wheel cart to move them. That's why I have her dump them in old kitty litter buckets with lids on them. I can handle one of those so long as I don't actually lift it. It wouldn't bother me if I never had to use the snow blower or any of the other stuff this winter. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. | >| >well heres something scary for you Chuck. | >| > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] | so long as I don't actually lift it. It wouldn't bother me if I never | had to use the snow blower or any of the other stuff this winter. You're welcomed there friend. I've noticed a huge change too in how stiff I am these past few days. I love the cold but can hardly move right now.. The other night dropped to 31 at 11pm... I feel a cold one coming on this winter in my neck of the woods... Guess we're both lucky to have very understanding spouses with as bad as our backs are... Sadly, I'm only 38 though... BTW, how are your bg's doing right now? can ya give us a full run down? Hope ya feel better. Reisa <snip> >BTW, how are your bg's doing right now? can ya give us a full >run down? Not a full run down, but a few. Sunday night is popcorn night in our house. We had that just after nine. We were going to head up to bed at about 10:40 but I thought well I'd better do a test just to make sure I didn't need my bedtime snack. My BG was 103, which really surprised me. OTOH, I don't eat very much of the popcorn. I knew if I was that low I'd better have my snack, which I did. Didn't check it while I was wondering around the house later on. When I checked it this morning it was 93. I consider that to be fine. Checked again just before my evening meal and I was at 110. Considering the fact that I'd had a cup of coffee and a piece of water mellon only two hours before I figured that was pretty good. I'll be checking again at 10:00 to see if I need a snack with carbs to carry me through till Laurie gets home at we have our bedtime snack at 12:45. If not I will either have some diet ice tea or a diet coke. A lot of nights that would be another cup of coffee, but after last night that's not a good idea. Coffee almost never keeps me awake. The ice tea has a little caffeine, but the diet coke is caffeine free. >Hope ya feel better. I do so far, but I haven't been in bed since 7:30 this morning. I don't plan on being back here by the computer after Laurie gets home tonight, so I'll have to tell you tomorrow how it goes. I am going to take one Tramadol with my other pills at bedtime per the pharmacist's instructions. (and yours too) >Reisa SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 >Hope ya feel better. > >Reisa I took one Tramadol at bedtime and slept for nearly seven hours before my bladder woke me. Got up. Did my thing. Back to bed and slept for another 45 minutes. Now I'm trying to figure out how many nights to take one before either talking half a one or going to one every other night. OTOH, since I got a new bottle of 100 and still have about 25 of them I can go for a long time so long as I don't get another flare up. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,027. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 | >Hope ya feel better. | > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | OTOH, since I got a new bottle of 100 and still have about 25 of them | I can go for a long time so long as I don't get another flare up. I'd take only one a night for at least a week, then start to cut back to one every other night for a week then every third night and so on... then you still have enough left if you get a flare up... it's there to take a extra one and since you'll have reduced your tolerance, adding a second one should really help. my professional opinion being a long time pain sufferer -- no medical degree, just life itself. Reisa > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? I think you have been watching too many TV commercials peddling unnecessary drugs ! >> Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > >I think you have been watching too many TV commercials peddling >unnecessary drugs ! If you ever experience this you will not think it is anything at all to joke about. On the other hand, I would not expect anything of any use coming from you anyway. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. > >> Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to joke about. On the other hand, I would not expect anything of any > use coming from you anyway. Bite me....I have had the odd spell...big freakin' deal !! Stop whining like a little girl. > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? Yes. > Were you able to figure out what triggered it? No. Could be the Fibromyalgia. Could be the Neuropathy. Could be the bad veins in my legs. > Were you able to stop it from occurring? No, but I have it very rarely now. > Were you able to stop it once it started and if so how? I take Evening Primrose Oil and Flaxseed Oil for the Neuropathy. I take supplements so I am getting the proper amounts of vitamins and minerals. When I was first diagnosed with diabetes, my potassium was low. I sleep with my legs elevated above my heart to take the stress off my veins and use compression hose when up. And most of all, I'm careful not to overdo things. When I get the restless legs, it's usually because I've done too much walking and/or standing. And for me, too much, is not a lot. > Do you know if was related to your diabetes or perhaps some drug you > were taking? Could be the diabetes since my problems began about two years before I was diagnosed with diabetes. The problems worsened a lot when I was pregnant.My legs also swelled up like huge watermelons while I was pregnant. After I had the baby, the swelling went down some, but didn't go away. This was caused by the vein problem. When my legs swell, they cramp. > It hit me last night for the second time in less than a month. I had > to take some Tramadol and then wait for that to take effect before I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > side-to-side. I got up three times and walked around in an effort to > not disturb her. I had problems the other night. It was so bad, I found that I had to stand up and force all of my weight down onto my toes. My feet didn't want to go flat. The cramps were pulling my toes upwards and when this happened my legs went wild. I finally resorted to putting my running shoes on. The shoes held my feet so that the toes couldn't pull up very far. Yes, I still had pain, but it was lessened. And my legs stopped flopping around. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm My doctor just gave me some samples of a new drugs to try. It s called Requip. I have some reservations about the new drugs. but may be forced to try them. Look it up on the internet and decide if you want to try it. It is a prescription drug. I Try to avoid drug use if I can live with a problem. I think there are several new drugs for this problem. Use the Internet search tools to look them up. And then check with your doc. Guy It is on topic for diabetes and aging peoople.f > And then check with your doc. > Guy Guy, I'd like to see more posts on this NG end with "and then check with your doc". :) Dave >> And then check with your doc. >> Guy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Dave I never take a new drug or even a supplement without talking to my doctor about it first. Being I am on several drugs, self-medicating has the potential of being very dangerous. See Dave, we do agree on some things. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. >My doctor just gave me some samples of a new drugs >to try. It s called Requip. I have some reservations about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >It is on topic for diabetes and aging peoople.f Thanks Guy. I have bookmarked their website and if necessary will ask my doctor about it. Neither Laurie or I can take Pseudofed after mid afternoon because it will give us RLS, but not to the degree that I had last night. When you feel like you are tired and sleepy but can't go to sleep because of something like this it is extremely frustrating. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. >Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Do you know if was related to your diabetes or perhaps some drug you >were taking? I was dx with restless leg syndrome many years ago (I'm 53 now), long, long before diabetes entered my life. It's not as bad as some experience, I can usually 'put up' with it at night by lying on my stomach and kicking my legs - one at a time. (Used to drive my husband nuts, but he's used to it now :-) I really don't know what triggers it, but I think it may have to do with stress. I've never been able to stop it, only 'put up with it.' When I got the RLS dx I was in my very late teens or very early 20s. This was long before I had any health problems and I was not taking any kind of meds at the time. I was dx by an orthopedic surgeon. It's a very uncomfortable feeling and if it becomes truly bothersome at night I can usually get to sleep after taking two tylenol pm, I'm on enough other meds right now and am not in the slightest bit interested in adding anything else to that list. BessieBee --- OF Damnit! :-) Tylenol PM? My wife read on a website that tylenol helps some people and it is a med that I can take without it interfering with any of those eleven pills I take at bedtime. Thanks Bessie. If taking a reduces amount of Tramadol doesn't take care of it, I will give that a try. >>Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >--- >OF Damnit! :-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. I've had RLS periodically since a teen.. All my family suffer with it.. As I am the only one with diabetes, for us it can't be related. A few remedies work for a while. My mother and brother found a solution by working permanent nights. Which might sound a little drastic, but many years of deprived sleep drive you to anything. My other brother swears by Quinine.. I find the herb Valerian..or half a Codeine best. Otherwise its a good book and night pacing. I would be interested if you find the answer.. Good luck. Sue. > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thank you friends. Chuck, I dont have the condition but I did see a commercial today about a new drug that is very effective I forgot the name, but your doctor should know I imagine that this drives you crazy. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Chuck, I dont have the condition but I did see a commercial today about >a new drug that is very effective I forgot the name, but your doctor >should know I imagine that this drives you crazy. > >Loretta So far it at least appears to be connected to one drug or another. At least I hope that's all it is. I know I cannot take Pseudofed after about two in the afternoon or I will have it. This time I think it is because I quit taking the Tramadol cold turkey rather than tapering off of it. I bookmarked a website about Requip. That's probably the drug you saw the commercial for. Personally, I don't think they should be advertising prescription drugs, especially when they end it by telling you to ask your doctor for it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Perhaps if more people considered the following three things what comes after would be unnecessary: (1)A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. (2)Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. (3)A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. THAT IS NINE MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 We do not know how many Iraqi civilians have died. We only know the estimated number is much higher. > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thank you friends. Oh gosh how I can surely identify with this post. When my oxycontin wears off my legs are a mess. I am up to three 40 mg a day in those things. I hate needing them. I had my doc appointment today and forgot to ask about the Tramadol like you suggested to me one other time. I go back in four weeks after my four teeth are pulled and my infections are gone for a recheck and will ask then. I hope your legs get better. I saw in a post where RK said she felt like she was having an anxiety attack and that is how I feel too. When the Oxycontin wears off it feels like a train is on my chest and it hurts to breathe and I get so nervous. Then the legs start moving and won't stop. That jerking is a nuisance not to mention very painful. Hope you get better soon Chuck. I sure do empathize with you. | Oh gosh how I can surely identify with this post. When my oxycontin wears | off my legs are a mess. I am up to three 40 mg a day in those things. I hate [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | Hope you get better soon Chuck. I sure do empathize with you. Yep... called addiction, but sadly in the condition we're in.. we need it. I too when the morphine wears off have trouble breathing.... which is why I only take it when I absolutely need it. I can go days or weeks without it.. A day without the Tramadol, I'm a wreak.. LOL I wanna jump on a pogo stick and theres no stick.. Call your doctor Diana... and tell the nurse you want the Tramadol instead. Trust me, works MUCH MUCH better then the narcodics do, actually cares for the pain. reisa > | Oh gosh how I can surely identify with this post. When my oxycontin wears > | off my legs are a mess. I am up to three 40 mg a day in those things. I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > reisa Oh gosh it broke my heart when he told me last month I was addicted and why. I never in my life ever thought of myself as a drug addict. He is going to help me wean off most of my medication as he knows I am unhappy taking 20 pills a day for all this stuff. I would love to go days or weeks without it. A dream come true. <snip> >Oh gosh it broke my heart when he told me last month I was addicted and why. >I never in my life ever thought of myself as a drug addict. He is going to >help me wean off most of my medication as he knows I am unhappy taking 20 >pills a day for all this stuff. I would love to go days or weeks without it. >A dream come true. A day at a time or a step at a time dear one. I am really hoping if I can keep shedding pounds slowly and walking eventually I will be able to take less Metformin and maybe decrease the meds for hypertension too. My main goal right now is at the very least maintaining my current level so I don't have to increase any of them or add more. Between my prescriptions and supplements I am taking with the doctor's approval I am taking 11-13 pills in the morning depending on which day it is, 3 at my evening meal and 11 more at bedtime. We have been modifying our diet by adding more fish and sea food and more fresh veggies to our diets. Right now the store has those cantaloupe size seedless water melons. They are expensive, but we have not found a better source of fiber. One of those will last us four days, so I guess the $5 price tag isn't that bad. Luv ya kid, SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Luv ya kid, My hearts desire is yours too. I pray you too can reach your goal. We can do this together like we said. > A day without the Tramadol, I'm a wreak.. LOL I wanna >jump on a pogo stick and theres no stick.. > >reisa What an accurate description that is of the feeling! The hell of it is if I get up and walk around it is fine - unless I lay back down. Haven't figure out how to sleep standing up yet. :-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 > > A day without the Tramadol, I'm a wreak.. LOL I wanna > >jump on a pogo stick and theres no stick.. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The hell of it is if I get up and walk around it is fine - unless I > lay back down. Haven't figure out how to sleep standing up yet. :-) Same here Chuck. If I get up and walk what little I can it isn't as bad. Hmm I think I need to figure how to sleep standing too as I already sleep in a recliner not a bed. I fell over backwards in the recliner one day and boy was that a sight to behold LOL. Wonder if that is the same as sleeping on my head maybe :-) >Oh gosh how I can surely identify with this post. When my oxycontin wears >off my legs are a mess. I am up to three 40 mg a day in those things. I hate [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hope you get better soon Chuck. I sure do empathize with you. Thank you dear friend. When I talked to the pharmacist about it today he said that Tramadol is a med that one must taper off of. Then Reisa confirmed it. I am going to try taking just one at bedtime, rather than my usual two and hope that is enough to allow me sleep. Did you get the email I sent this afternoon? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 > >Oh gosh how I can surely identify with this post. When my oxycontin wears > >off my legs are a mess. I am up to three 40 mg a day in those things. I hate [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Did you get the email I sent this afternoon? I am really glad it is working for you. I am working from two computers until my move is finished so I haven't been on my home computer since earlier today so will look next time I am there. This move is taking forever and a day LOL. I always look forward to your email. They brighten my days. Chuck, I've had this as long as I can remember (first time I remember is when I was about 12), sometimes more often than others. I've never taken any medications for it (only recently heard that there was prescription treatment), but I notice that it most often happens when I have my legs elevated in my recliner. I'm not sure if it's a circulatory problem or muscular, but it's the most annoying thing in the world! The thing that seems to help me most, even when my legs don't *feel* cold, is to go lie down and get my legs really warm, sometimes with a hot water bottle or homemade heating pad made of rice in a tubesock heated in the microwave. The restlessness just seems to fade away, and I can relax and usually go to sleep. This is just my personal experience, but it's always worked for me. Sorry you are having this problem :( Bev > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thank you friends. Hi Bev, great to see you posting. I hope you're continuing to recover well and that you're feeling much better. -- Cheri Bev wrote in message <1130814053.022302.141350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>... Chuck, I've had this as long as I can remember (first time I remember is when I was about 12), sometimes more often than others. I've never taken any medications for it (only recently heard that there was prescription treatment), but I notice that it most often happens when I have my legs elevated in my recliner. I'm not sure if it's a circulatory problem or muscular, but it's the most annoying thing in the world! Thanks, Cheri. I'm working on setting up a newsreader, can't stand trying to deal with Google. Drives me NUTS....lol. I'm doing well...just got results that my calcium level is lower than it's been in several years, so I'm optimistic that my surgery was a success..... Bev > Hi Bev, great to see you posting. I hope you're continuing to recover > well and that you're feeling much better. > > -- > Cheri Great news Bev.:-) -- Cheri Bev wrote in message <1130895577.113929.34080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>... >Thanks, Cheri. I'm working on setting up a newsreader, can't stand >trying to deal with Google. Drives me NUTS....lol. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> -- >> Cheri >Chuck, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Bev Thanks Bev. This morning Laurie said she wondered if a heating pad might have helped or a warm wet towel. It didn't occur to me last night because I was sweating when I had the covers over me, but then would get too cool when I kicked them off. I even got up and turned the ceiling fan off which we normally run on low all night long every night of the year. Our two dogs usually sleep on the bed - the basset at our feet and the beagle between us. With all my moving around they both got off the bed and slept on the floor. The only problem with that is that the beagle snores loudly when she's sleeping on the floor right under our headboard. LOL Like Reisa said, I also felt very anxious and nervous. I'm pretty sure it was withdrawal from the Tramadol. I'll know for sure tonight when I take one pill rather than the usual two of those. I appreciate the suggestions. When and if it happens again I will try just about anything to calm it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 Grandpa Chuck says... > Have any of you had restless leg syndrome? > Were you able to figure out what triggered it? > Were you able to stop it from occurring? > Were you able to stop it once it started and if so how? Hi Chuck. I know this sounds crazy, but one supposed cure for restless leg is to place a bar of soap under the bottom sheet at the foot of the bed. I know. I know. But do a Google search on: "restless leg" soap Well look at it this way. Testing it would be really inexpensive. >Grandpa Chuck says... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Well look at it this way. Testing it would be really >inexpensive. Well I'll be darned. Something that those old fashioned bars of soap are good for. We've been so used to using liquid soap for so many years that I doubt if we even have any around here. But, like you said, it's really inexpensive. This sounds very intriguing. Thank you. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. ================================================================ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 31, 2005 is 2,025. United Kingdom = 97 Other = 102 The only experience I have had with restless legs is when my ex used to get it. For him, it was a sure fire thing that his bg's were too high. > The only experience I have had with restless legs is when my > ex used to get it. For him, it was a sure fire thing that > his bg's were too high. I wondered that so last night I took my bg and sure enough I was about 270. I forgot my Novolog 70/30 and my Lantus so took them. Have not tested this morning but have been in such pain in my legs and feet all night. Thanks Jan and it is soooooooo good to see you. Give the kids my very best and Jas a hug for me. |
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