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Does the Sugars line on nutrition label tell you anything useful?

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Peabody - 29 Oct 2005 15:45 GMT
At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
be almost all sugars.

So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
supply to diabetics?
RK - 29 Oct 2005 15:53 GMT
| At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
| that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
| be almost all sugars.
|
| So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
| supply to diabetics?

for me as a T1, I've had to learn how the data provides me with the info.
for example...

Total Carbohydrates - 50gm
Sugar                          - 25gm
Other                          - 25gm

The Total Carbs tells me that if I used a 10/1 ratio I'd need 5u if I ate
that.
But ... then theres the Sugar line, which tells me "Sugar" is a fast acting
carb
which will hit me very quickly and I wont have enough insulin to cover it
properly at that time.  So, for me, I just need to bolus (inject) about
10-15mins
prior to eating it so that I'll have the insulin there waiting on it and I
wont miss
it and end up higher then I should and have what I call a "fallout" As for
the
"Other" that more then likely is a slower carb, thus now I need to bolus at
the
time I eat to have it be covered.. This is where pumping is beyond
wonderful,
because instead of hitting and missing, or taking 2 injections, I can set a
combo
wave and get what insulin I need at what times I tell it, just like our own
bodies
do when it encounters food.

So, all in all, this is a brand new experiment you need to do.. Learn what
your
body does for the data.  But overall, I'd worry more about the total carbs
unless
its all sugar, then you knw its a fast acting source..

HTH

RK, t1
Jenny - 29 Oct 2005 16:38 GMT
> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
> that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
> be almost all sugars.
>
> So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
> supply to diabetics?

For a type 2, not much.

Many starches will hit your body just as fast as "sugar."

Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to watch.

Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in
yet another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with
diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular,
will raise their blood sugars.  Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see
how they affect you.

--Jenny

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Alan Hardy - 29 Oct 2005 17:42 GMT
> Peabody wrote:
>> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to
> watch.

Not in the UK, coz the calculation is already done. i don't know about the
rest of the EU for sure, but i think it is the same as the UK.

> Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in yet
> another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with
> diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular, will
> raise their blood sugars.  Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see how
> they affect you.

some find that malitol causes severe diarrhoea, and occasional ones get
nausea -- i get both.

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Jenny - 29 Oct 2005 21:15 GMT
>>Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to
>>watch.
>
> Not in the UK, coz the calculation is already done. i don't know about the
> rest of the EU for sure, but i think it is the same as the UK.

Alan,

This is a major difference between U.S. and European labeling. The
European labels have already deducted the fiber from the Total
Carbohydrate figure. The U.S. nutritional labels do not.

Occasionally a European product sold in the U.S. will have European
style labels with the fiber already deducted, like Lindt chocolate bars.

There's a simple way to test whether a Total Carbohydrate number has
already deducted the fiber:

Multiply the grams of Protein given on the label by 4 to get protein
calories.
Multiply the grams of Fat given on the label by 9 to get fat calories.

Add fat calories and protein calories.  Now deduct these from the TOTAL
calories given for the product. This is carbohydrate calories.

Divide carbohydrate calories by 4.  This is your REAL total carbohydrate
number--the one that will affect your blood sugar. If it matches the
"total carb" number on your label and the product contains fiber, then
the fiber carbs have already been deducted.

There's a web site that will do this calculation for you at:

http://www.geocities.com/msweathe/fiber-calc.html

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Alan Hardy - 29 Oct 2005 21:36 GMT
> Alan Hardy wrote:
>>>Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> European labels have already deducted the fiber from the Total
> Carbohydrate figure.

that is what i just said!

> The U.S. nutritional labels do not.

that is also what i just said!

> Occasionally a European product sold in the U.S. will have European style
> labels with the fiber already deducted, like Lindt chocolate bars.

European is NOT the same as EU, coz not all European countries are members
of the EU.

> There's a simple way to test whether a Total Carbohydrate number has
> already deducted the fiber:
>
> snip

as i just said, on EU labels the calculation is already done.

> There's a web site that will do this calculation for you at:
>
> http://www.unnecesary calcs/

the calculation is ALREADY DONE. Sheesh [and ruder words too]

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None Given - 29 Oct 2005 17:54 GMT
> Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in
> yet another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with
> diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular,
> will raise their blood sugars.  Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see
> how they affect you.

I suspect FBG the next morning can be affected by SAs sometimes.

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Budd Cochran - 30 Oct 2005 13:01 GMT
I agree, Jenny.

When I was first diagnosed about 2 years ago, malitol wasn't problem for me.
Now it has started giving me nasty peaks in my BGs.

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> > At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
> > that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
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> http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/  Type 2 Diabetes info
> http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/  Low Carb info
Tiger Lily - 29 Oct 2005 18:40 GMT
???????/ blueberries are very low Glycemic Index
compared to potatoes
and blueberries have LOTS of phyto(sp)nutrients in
them (great anti-oxidants and great vits for the
eyes)

blueberries are our friend!

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> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
> that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
> be almost all sugars.
>
> So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
> supply to diabetics?
Peabody - 29 Oct 2005 23:00 GMT
Tiger Lily says...

> ???????/ blueberries are very low Glycemic Index
> compared to potatoes and blueberries have LOTS of
> phyto(sp)nutrients in them (great anti-oxidants and
> great vits for the eyes)

> blueberries are our friend!

> kate

Here's what the nutrition lable says for frozen blueberries.
These are individual frozen berries, with no sugar added.

1 cup = 70 Calories
Fat - 1 gm
Protein - less than 1 gm
Carbs - 17 gm
Fiber - 4 gm
Sugars - 12 gm

Seems to me that this means almost all of the carb
calories come from sugars.  How can this be low GI?

Aside from this, though, I agree about blueberries being
our friend.  In fact, I read somewhere that blueberries
may be the world's healthiest single food.
Tiger Lily - 29 Oct 2005 23:23 GMT
www.mendosa.com
go to the GI tables and look up blueberries
they are high fibre....... and low GI

i can't give you a direct link or i would have

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> Tiger Lily says...
>
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> our friend.  In fact, I read somewhere that blueberries
> may be the world's healthiest single food.
Thomas Muffaletto - 29 Oct 2005 21:36 GMT
whatchyagonnapick?

> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
> that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
> be almost all sugars.
>
> So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
> supply to diabetics?

for all I know it may be there only so the students studying nutrition
have something to learn on day one, lesson one, in Basic Nutrition 101.
today's lesson is

Reading and Understanding Nutritional food Labels.

you have 3 items
A = 15 total carbs  with 15 carbs coming from sugar.
B = 15 total carbs with 7.5 coming from sugar.
C = 15 total carbs with no grams of sugar.

you are going hypo whachyagonnapick?
if you said item C = welcome to hypo  and liver dump country - its a good
way to have higher blood sugar numbers while you eat less.
if you said item A = you are correct.

you just woke up in the morning and have been fasting all night.
whachyagonnapick?
if you said item C - it would be like you didn't eat for another 1 - 1 1/2
hours.
if you said item A all 15 carbs are going to hit you very fast but it will
prevent a liver dump better than item C.
if you said item B - it has 7.5grams of sugar that are going to hit you
right away and the other half will hit you later on.

if you just ate 15 carbs worth of fruit but are still hungry
whachyagonnapick?
if you said item A = you going to get higher numbers
than if you picked ate C.

change items A, B and C and change them to 45 total carbs
item
A =  45 carbs sugar
B = 24.5 carbs sugar
C =  0 sugar

which of these do you think will give you the lowest spike?
whachyagonnapick?
if you said item B you are correct.

A = those sugars going to hit you fast and drop fast.
B = half the carbs will hit you first and later on the other half the more
complex carbs are going to hit you.
C = you wont gain any energy from this item until about 1 - 1 1/2 hours (
about there ) but they are all going to
hit your system together.

of course it is not possible to include all the things that will effect how
and what we can eat.

well anyway this was and how I have remained in the 5% club med free from my
first A1C after diagnoses.
with NO MEDICATIONS :) and no cholesterol meds as well :).
that information helps non diabetics as well as all diabetics however you
may find you have to talk to a doctor or dietitian
to get anyone to agree with me.

whatchyagonnapick?

best thing to do is talk to your doctor and dietitian about things like
this.. if you don't already know.

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Alan S - 30 Oct 2005 00:51 GMT
>At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
>that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
>be almost all sugars.
>
>So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
>supply to diabetics?

I'm type 2. My personal testing has shown me that it's
meaningless to me - I ignore it and read the carbs.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Ma¢k - 31 Oct 2005 16:13 GMT
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:45:15 -0500, Peabody
<waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

>At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw
>that potatoes have almost no sugars.  Blueberries, however, seem to
>be almost all sugars.
>
>So why is that line there, and what useful information does it
>supply to diabetics?

None in the USA.  You look at the total carbs.

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