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Does the Sugars line on nutrition label tell you anything useful?
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Peabody - 29 Oct 2005 15:45 GMT At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to be almost all sugars.
So why is that line there, and what useful information does it supply to diabetics?
RK - 29 Oct 2005 15:53 GMT | At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw | that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to | be almost all sugars. | | So why is that line there, and what useful information does it | supply to diabetics? for me as a T1, I've had to learn how the data provides me with the info. for example...
Total Carbohydrates - 50gm Sugar - 25gm Other - 25gm
The Total Carbs tells me that if I used a 10/1 ratio I'd need 5u if I ate that. But ... then theres the Sugar line, which tells me "Sugar" is a fast acting carb which will hit me very quickly and I wont have enough insulin to cover it properly at that time. So, for me, I just need to bolus (inject) about 10-15mins prior to eating it so that I'll have the insulin there waiting on it and I wont miss it and end up higher then I should and have what I call a "fallout" As for the "Other" that more then likely is a slower carb, thus now I need to bolus at the time I eat to have it be covered.. This is where pumping is beyond wonderful, because instead of hitting and missing, or taking 2 injections, I can set a combo wave and get what insulin I need at what times I tell it, just like our own bodies do when it encounters food.
So, all in all, this is a brand new experiment you need to do.. Learn what your body does for the data. But overall, I'd worry more about the total carbs unless its all sugar, then you knw its a fast acting source..
HTH
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Jenny - 29 Oct 2005 16:38 GMT > At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw > that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to > be almost all sugars. > > So why is that line there, and what useful information does it > supply to diabetics? For a type 2, not much.
Many starches will hit your body just as fast as "sugar."
Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to watch.
Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in yet another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular, will raise their blood sugars. Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see how they affect you.
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Alan Hardy - 29 Oct 2005 17:42 GMT > Peabody wrote: >> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to > watch. Not in the UK, coz the calculation is already done. i don't know about the rest of the EU for sure, but i think it is the same as the UK.
> Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in yet > another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with > diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular, will > raise their blood sugars. Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see how > they affect you. some find that malitol causes severe diarrhoea, and occasional ones get nausea -- i get both.
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Jenny - 29 Oct 2005 21:15 GMT >>Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to >>watch. > > Not in the UK, coz the calculation is already done. i don't know about the > rest of the EU for sure, but i think it is the same as the UK. Alan,
This is a major difference between U.S. and European labeling. The European labels have already deducted the fiber from the Total Carbohydrate figure. The U.S. nutritional labels do not.
Occasionally a European product sold in the U.S. will have European style labels with the fiber already deducted, like Lindt chocolate bars.
There's a simple way to test whether a Total Carbohydrate number has already deducted the fiber:
Multiply the grams of Protein given on the label by 4 to get protein calories. Multiply the grams of Fat given on the label by 9 to get fat calories.
Add fat calories and protein calories. Now deduct these from the TOTAL calories given for the product. This is carbohydrate calories.
Divide carbohydrate calories by 4. This is your REAL total carbohydrate number--the one that will affect your blood sugar. If it matches the "total carb" number on your label and the product contains fiber, then the fiber carbs have already been deducted.
There's a web site that will do this calculation for you at:
http://www.geocities.com/msweathe/fiber-calc.html
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Alan Hardy - 29 Oct 2005 21:36 GMT > Alan Hardy wrote: >>>Sugar + starch - fiber = significant carbs - and that's the figure to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > European labels have already deducted the fiber from the Total > Carbohydrate figure. that is what i just said!
> The U.S. nutritional labels do not. that is also what i just said!
> Occasionally a European product sold in the U.S. will have European style > labels with the fiber already deducted, like Lindt chocolate bars. European is NOT the same as EU, coz not all European countries are members of the EU.
> There's a simple way to test whether a Total Carbohydrate number has > already deducted the fiber: > > snip as i just said, on EU labels the calculation is already done.
> There's a web site that will do this calculation for you at: > > http://www.unnecesary calcs/ the calculation is ALREADY DONE. Sheesh [and ruder words too]
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None Given - 29 Oct 2005 17:54 GMT > Be particularly careful about the "Sugar Alcohols" which are listed in > yet another entry on the nutritional information panel. Many people with > diabetes will find that some sugar alcohols, maltitol in particular, > will raise their blood sugars. Test these items at 2 and 3 hours to see > how they affect you. I suspect FBG the next morning can be affected by SAs sometimes.
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Budd Cochran - 30 Oct 2005 13:01 GMT I agree, Jenny.
When I was first diagnosed about 2 years ago, malitol wasn't problem for me. Now it has started giving me nasty peaks in my BGs.
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> > At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw > > that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info Tiger Lily - 29 Oct 2005 18:40 GMT ???????/ blueberries are very low Glycemic Index compared to potatoes and blueberries have LOTS of phyto(sp)nutrients in them (great anti-oxidants and great vits for the eyes)
blueberries are our friend!
kate
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> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw > that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to > be almost all sugars. > > So why is that line there, and what useful information does it > supply to diabetics? Peabody - 29 Oct 2005 23:00 GMT Tiger Lily says...
> ???????/ blueberries are very low Glycemic Index > compared to potatoes and blueberries have LOTS of > phyto(sp)nutrients in them (great anti-oxidants and > great vits for the eyes)
> blueberries are our friend!
> kate Here's what the nutrition lable says for frozen blueberries. These are individual frozen berries, with no sugar added.
1 cup = 70 Calories Fat - 1 gm Protein - less than 1 gm Carbs - 17 gm Fiber - 4 gm Sugars - 12 gm
Seems to me that this means almost all of the carb calories come from sugars. How can this be low GI?
Aside from this, though, I agree about blueberries being our friend. In fact, I read somewhere that blueberries may be the world's healthiest single food.
Tiger Lily - 29 Oct 2005 23:23 GMT www.mendosa.com go to the GI tables and look up blueberries they are high fibre....... and low GI
i can't give you a direct link or i would have
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> Tiger Lily says... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > our friend. In fact, I read somewhere that blueberries > may be the world's healthiest single food. Thomas Muffaletto - 29 Oct 2005 21:36 GMT whatchyagonnapick?
> At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw > that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to > be almost all sugars. > > So why is that line there, and what useful information does it > supply to diabetics? for all I know it may be there only so the students studying nutrition have something to learn on day one, lesson one, in Basic Nutrition 101. today's lesson is
Reading and Understanding Nutritional food Labels.
you have 3 items A = 15 total carbs with 15 carbs coming from sugar. B = 15 total carbs with 7.5 coming from sugar. C = 15 total carbs with no grams of sugar.
you are going hypo whachyagonnapick? if you said item C = welcome to hypo and liver dump country - its a good way to have higher blood sugar numbers while you eat less. if you said item A = you are correct.
you just woke up in the morning and have been fasting all night. whachyagonnapick? if you said item C - it would be like you didn't eat for another 1 - 1 1/2 hours. if you said item A all 15 carbs are going to hit you very fast but it will prevent a liver dump better than item C. if you said item B - it has 7.5grams of sugar that are going to hit you right away and the other half will hit you later on.
if you just ate 15 carbs worth of fruit but are still hungry whachyagonnapick? if you said item A = you going to get higher numbers than if you picked ate C.
change items A, B and C and change them to 45 total carbs item A = 45 carbs sugar B = 24.5 carbs sugar C = 0 sugar
which of these do you think will give you the lowest spike? whachyagonnapick? if you said item B you are correct.
A = those sugars going to hit you fast and drop fast. B = half the carbs will hit you first and later on the other half the more complex carbs are going to hit you. C = you wont gain any energy from this item until about 1 - 1 1/2 hours ( about there ) but they are all going to hit your system together.
of course it is not possible to include all the things that will effect how and what we can eat.
well anyway this was and how I have remained in the 5% club med free from my first A1C after diagnoses. with NO MEDICATIONS :) and no cholesterol meds as well :). that information helps non diabetics as well as all diabetics however you may find you have to talk to a doctor or dietitian to get anyone to agree with me.
whatchyagonnapick?
best thing to do is talk to your doctor and dietitian about things like this.. if you don't already know.
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Alan S - 30 Oct 2005 00:51 GMT >At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw >that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to >be almost all sugars. > >So why is that line there, and what useful information does it >supply to diabetics? I'm type 2. My personal testing has shown me that it's meaningless to me - I ignore it and read the carbs.
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Ma¢k - 31 Oct 2005 16:13 GMT On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:45:15 -0500, Peabody <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>At first I thought it might be a "fast" indicator, but then I saw >that potatoes have almost no sugars. Blueberries, however, seem to >be almost all sugars. > >So why is that line there, and what useful information does it >supply to diabetics? None in the USA. You look at the total carbs.
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