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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / November 2005This is not a christian site.
This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. No mention of religion was included. I read some really do not care. If some individuals want to make a mockery of their religion, go to it. I only respect those that act n a reasonable manner and respect other people. Excess use of religion chatter makes a mockery of any religion and political and ethnic group. WE live on a multiethnic world. Diabetes has no color,shape or belief. In my day we called some Hambones and in some cases they were to be tolerated. :Lost souls. There is no stupid question from some new to diabetes but you have a lot to learn after years of dealing with this miserable problem. Unless a miracle happens it finally get to you A kind word costs you nothing but may mean a lot to a distressed soul. Enough Guy Nor is this an Australian site... Nor is this a male site... Nor is this a female site... Nor is this an asian site... Nor is this an American site... Nor is this a Canadian site... Nor is this a Jewish site... Nor is this a Buddhist site... Nor is this a Hindu site... Nor is this a Muslim site... Nor is this an atheist site... Nor is this a Republican site... Nor is this a Democrat site... Nor is this a black site... Nor is this a white site... Nor is this a 20-something site... Nor is this a 30-something site... Nor is this a 40-something site... Nor is this a 50-something site... Nor is this a 60-something site... Nor is this a 70-something site... Nor is this a Guy Williams site... The topic is helping diabetics manage their disease irrespective of the identity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, black, white, asian, male, female, young or old) of the participant. Now back on topic... Losing weight can not be overemphasized for those who are overweight type 2 diabetics. Thankfully, there is the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently address this growing problem: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp For those who are put off by the signature that follows, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. > No mention of religion was included. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD >Board-Certified Cardiologist Certified? Maybe? Certifiable? Definitely. As the psychiatrist sitting down to dinner in Fawlty Towers said to his wife, concerning Basil Fawlty (IIRC): "Enough material there for an entire seminar". Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Nor is this an Australian site... > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Nor is this a Guy Williams site... Andy, it isn't any kind of site. It is a newsgroup. Don't you know the difference yet? God didn't give you such a great "gift of discernment" after all it seems. Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. > > Nor is this an Australian site... > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Andy, it isn't any kind of site. Correct. > It is a newsgroup. Correct again. > Don't you know the difference yet? I know the difference but the folks at BellSouth don't seem to know the difference just as Guy does not seem to know either. Nonetheless, it is wise to do what one can to communicate including the use of terms in the manner of others as needed. > God didn't give > you such a great "gift of discernment" after all it seems. It seems you confuse the gift of verbal communication with the gift of truth discernment. Again, the topic of this **newsgroup** is helping diabetics manage their disease irrespective of the identity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, black, white, asian, male, female, young or old) of the participant. Now back on topic... Losing weight can not be overemphasized for those who are overweight type 2 diabetics. Thankfully, there is the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently address this growing problem: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp For those who are put off by the signature that follows, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>Andy, it isn't any kind of site. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I know the difference but the folks at BellSouth don't seem to know the > difference just as Guy does not seem to know either. Guy is an elderly gentleman who is often vague in his mode of expression. Everyone understands him because he is well liked and people take the time to work out what he is saying. You are supposedly an educated man with the added benefit of "truth discernment" and so should be capable of communicating without errors. As for BellSouth, of course they know the difference. Why would you think otherwise? Has your gift of discernment failed again? Nonetheless, it > is wise to do what one can to communicate including the use of terms in > the manner of others as needed. It is *NEVER* wise to compound errors. >>God didn't give >>you such a great "gift of discernment" after all it seems. > > It seems you confuse the gift of verbal communication with the gift of > truth discernment. No Andy, if you were communicating in an appropriate manner, I would have no cause to point out your errors in communication. You were referring to something that does not exist. > Again, the topic of this **newsgroup** is helping diabetics manage > their disease irrespective of the identity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, > Hindu, atheist, black, white, asian, male, female, young or old) of the > participant. No consideration for age, sex, type of diabetes, energy expenditure or existing medications? You really are naive. > Now back on topic... > > Losing weight can not be overemphasized for those who are overweight > type 2 diabetics. Thankfully, there is the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach > to permanently address this growing problem: It doesn't work in all cases, mine for instance. If I eat to your recommendation I will experience malnutrition. I am already eating more than double your recommendation and having difficulty gaining lean mass. I lost more than sixty pounds last year while still eating well above your recommended daily food weight. There is no "one size fits all" when it comes to diet, there are too many variables to consider. Your approach is simplistic, naive, and in many cases very unhealthy. You do not take into account the energy expenditure across the population that you are insisting will benefit from your diet. (... and it is by definition, a diet, you are restricting food by weight.) Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. > >>Andy, it isn't any kind of site. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > educated man with the added benefit of "truth discernment" and so should > be capable of communicating without errors. It remains my choice to communicate with folks using their terminology. Such communication is not erroneous. > As for BellSouth, of course they know the difference. Why would you > think otherwise? Has your gift of discernment failed again? God's gift of hearing is in working order as is His gift of truth discernment. > Nonetheless, it > > is wise to do what one can to communicate including the use of terms in > > the manner of others as needed. > > It is *NEVER* wise to compound errors. Without God there can be no wisdom. > >>God didn't give > >>you such a great "gift of discernment" after all it seems. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > have no cause to point out your errors in communication. You were > referring to something that does not exist. Is it your claim that ASD does not exist? > > Again, the topic of this **newsgroup** is helping diabetics manage > > their disease irrespective of the identity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No consideration for age, sex, type of diabetes, energy expenditure or > existing medications? You really are naive. Is seems you have difficulty with reading comprehension. > > Now back on topic... > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It doesn't work in all cases, mine for instance. If I eat to your > recommendation I will experience malnutrition. That would be a prediction which is by definition unfounded. > I am already eating more > than double your recommendation and having difficulty gaining lean mass. Thank you for revealing that using the 2PD-OMER Approach would cause you to lose weight. > I lost more than sixty pounds last year while still eating well above > your recommended daily food weight. This would indicate that you were eating more the year before. > There is no "one size fits all" when it comes to diet, there are too > many variables to consider. The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. > Your approach is simplistic, naive, and in > many cases very unhealthy. A health diet does not become unhealthy when someone starts concordantly using the 2PD-OMER Approach. > You do not take into account the energy > expenditure across the population that you are insisting will benefit > from your diet. (... and it is by definition, a diet, you are > restricting food by weight.) (Diets are instructions about what to eat and not just about how much to eat. The 2PD-OMER Approach is just about how much to eat... therefore it is not a diet). In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> [who cares?]... > Andy, it isn't any kind of site. Nor is it an argue with Chung "site." SignatureWes Groleau Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy >>> [who cares?]... > >> Andy, it isn't any kind of site. > > Nor is it an argue with Chung "site." Of course it is. Andy (considerate and thoughtful person that he is) wouldn't post here if it wasn't. Would you Andy? Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. > >>> [who cares?]... > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course it is. Incorrect. > Andy (considerate and thoughtful person that he is) wouldn't post here > if it wasn't. > > Would you Andy? It remains by choice to obey God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. Again, the topic of this **newsgroup** is helping diabetics manage their disease irrespective of the identity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, black, white, asian, male, female, young or old) of the participant. Now back on topic... Losing weight can not be overemphasized for those who are overweight type 2 diabetics. Thankfully, there is the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently address this growing problem: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp For those who are put off by the signature that follows, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Guy, I saw my diabetes educator Wednesday, and she asked me if I believed some fundamental religious doctrine (making it clear she *does*). I was floored that she would ask me this, but I just said "I don't know." People seem to be increasingly going public about pushing it. I sometimes feel like I've gone back to 1959 in the Way Back machine. pc > Guy, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > pc A Doctor checking on my religious convictions would scare the hell out of me. I would wonder what he knows that I don't ... ;) Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. I was wondering has this educator become a friend over time? Do you speak of other things besides diabetes - family, friends, travel, etc. or just diabetes? Was the educator "pushing" or did he/she just ask a question and go on? I have spoken to many people in the professional field of medicine - doctors, nurses, dietitians, and so on who have asked such questions after a while. Some have even advised that a relationship with a your religious beliefs has been beneficial with health issues and stress, and lets face it we have these issues. A lot of folks today feel they are under the gun when asked about their religious belief in detailed or general terms. This may be caused by their lack of interest or by their need not to have others knowing their business. I just know that if it had not been for my beliefs I could not have survived this last year struggling with diabetes, stress issues (due to a brother dying of cancer and another fighting the same disease). My doctor advised me that prayer had been clinically studied and it had been determined that this type of life style was actually healthy for you without saying to become a Christian or other religious belief. Also, one needs to remember that Christians as are other religions are to profess their faith and to share with others so as to bring then to know their religion. So take it with a grain of and let it pass or advise the person that you do not desire to discuss that issue. Peace Terry Stone >> Guy, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > David There is nothing wrong with having a firm belief what ever suits you. People with a strong belief are usually better people. The problem here is there are so many people have different beliefs. I consider it immoral to push one's belief here. It is wise to not do that to an excess. There are plenty of forums where it is proper to evangelism or "testify"..Serious items that are not related to diabetes or medical problems do not belong here except in a short or light manner, It is good to get very involved in any effort but I have witnessed the death of many when it gets out of hand. We live in a small world and TOLERANCE is the key. Live and let live. A junior high schoo; behavior is not support. It a childish endeavor, If you do not like what you see, skip it. The yelling over kill files is not a good trait. Just do not respond. The groups have been perverted with OT chatters. It does hurt those that need more information. Lots of people ignore me. So what. Lots of these people have nothing in common with me. That is not unusual. Religion and politics not related to health does harm here if overdone. Guy > I was wondering has this educator become a friend over time? Do you >speak of other things besides diabetes - family, friends, travel, etc. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> >> David >There is nothing wrong with having a firm belief >what ever suits you. People with a strong >belief are usually better people. Do you mean like Osama bin Laden, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson? >The problem here is there are so many people >have different beliefs. I consider it immoral to >push one's belief here. It is wise to not do that >to an excess. It is wise to not do it ever - not even to your own children. >There are plenty of forums where it is proper to >evangelism or "testify". sh.t! Do you really think a non-Christian would be treated with respect in any such site based here in the United States? >.Serious items >that are not related to diabetes or medical >problems do not belong here except in a >short or light manner, This thread is definitely OT which means you just violated your own suggestion. >It is good to get very involved in any >effort but I have witnessed the death of >many when it gets out of hand. Such as The Crusades and then lately 9/11? >We live in a small world and TOLERANCE >is the key. Live and let live. A [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >over kill files is not a good trait. Just do >not respond. Amen brother. Testify! >The groups have been perverted with >OT chatters. It does hurt those that need more >information. Which is why these should be labeled OT to begin with. Hey, I am as guilty as others in forgetting to do that, but I try. >Lots of people ignore me. So what. Lots >of these people have nothing in common > with me. That is not unusual. Aw shucks, I read every one of your posts. >Religion and politics not related to health >does harm here if overdone. Only if one is gullible enough to allow it to do harm to them. No one can harm me with what they post here unless I allow it to. > Guy -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. > Terry Stone wrote: > I was wondering has this educator become a friend over time? Do you > speak of other things besides diabetes - family, friends, travel, etc. > or just diabetes? Was the educator "pushing" or did he/she just ask a > question and go on? I've known her for more than a year now, and we talk about current news, weather, etc. to pass time while she completes the work. In this case, if she had said "I believe..." I wouldn't have thought anything, but she stated it as if it were true and she was verifying that I agree with her. She became very flustered at my response and I changed the topic myself. My doctor and I have never discussed our religion in 25 years, so maybe I'm just not used to having it come up in that context. pc > > Guy, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > A Doctor checking on my religious convictions would scare the hell out > of me. Without Christ, there can only be fear. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >I saw my diabetes educator Wednesday, and she asked me if I believed >some fundamental religious doctrine (making it clear she *does*) I tell them I'm a pagan, which is pretty truthful. The more I see of "Christians," the better I like pagans. Diabetes doesn't care either. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G >>I saw my diabetes educator Wednesday, and she asked me if I believed >>some fundamental religious doctrine (making it clear she *does*) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Diabetes doesn't care either. Saqan loves you Gary. Remember, iq's diabeqes. See you aq qhe meeqing. >Guy, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >pc Like others have said here, I would have asked, "Why do you want to know?" -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle, and twice the brightness can then be shared by all. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. A religious person is trying to avoid hell; a spiritual person has already been there. >Guy, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >pc The only possible legitimate reason for asking would be to see if you had specific dietary restrictions as a result of your religious beliefs. As you didn't mention that, I presume that's not the case. I would have been out the door rather rapidly, with the letter to her supervisor and professional association already half-drafted in my mind before I rose from the seat. In my view, in your context, that question would be totally irrelevant and unprofessional. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Alan wrote: > The only possible legitimate reason for asking would be to > see if you had specific dietary restrictions What she said was the declaration against Israel by Iran's leader was a sign that Jesus is returning to earth soon. Then she said, you believe that, don't you? (like of course I would). My response stopped her in her tracks and I went on to the next topic. I doubt she'll ever do it again. It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery store say he hates gay people because he believes in god. And several people in line agreed with him. I didn't respond. Maybe I should be more vocal and "out" myself as a Unitarian! pc > > Alan wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sign that Jesus is returning to earth soon. Then she said, you believe > that, don't you? (like of course I would). Oh. My. God. Wow. I might have told her exactly what I thought of that. After I picked my chin up off the floor. > My response stopped her in > her tracks and I went on to the next topic. I doubt she'll ever do it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people in line agreed with him. I didn't respond. Maybe I should be > more vocal and "out" myself as a Unitarian! When JWs come to my door, I resist asking them what they think of me, since I'm queer. Instead I tell them that I'm an Episcopalian, and I'm quite happy with my denominational affiliation, thank you very much, and do have a nice day! Priscilla Signature"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong >> It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental >> Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >When JWs come to my door, I resist asking them what they think of me, >since I'm queer. Why resist? :-) I love nothing better than yanking the chain of the more obnoxious door-to-door religious hucksters. (basically, I feel that religion should be treated with more respect than to be hocked door-to-door like a cheap toilet brush!) Back when I lived in town, they were a real pest. I put up "no soliciting" signs, which they ignored. I found that they did not, however, ignore my lawn sprinklers once I'd adjusted them to cover the doorway area, especially in January. The remote control for my Irrigation system was the best thing I ever bought. I'd hear the doorbell, look and see that is was the pests ignoring my posted signs, and hit the remote, and the problem would go away in a hurry! > >> It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental > >> Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > doorbell, look and see that is was the pests ignoring my posted signs, > and hit the remote, and the problem would go away in a hurry! I'm in stitches! :-) :-) I live in a mobile home park which is private property. When any canvassers come to our door, I ask for a letter of permission for them to be there. When they can't produce one, I call the police and they are arrested for trespassing. That is reserved for sellers, but the religious people leave in a hurry when they have no choice. Being trailer trash has it's perks... Vicki > > >> It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental > > >> Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > arrested for trespassing. That is reserved for sellers, but the > religious people leave in a hurry when they have no choice. The servants of Christ will pause a moment to wipe the dust of their feet to mark your doorstep according to what is written in His Word. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> Back when I lived in town, they were a real pest. I put up "no >> soliciting" signs, which they ignored. I found that they did not, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Being trailer trash has it's perks... ROFL! I love it!!! I'm about as fond of door-to-door hucksters (religious or commercial) as I am of telemarketers. In my present place, I've got a locked gate at the bottom of the hill (my property line), along with a no-trespassing sign, and have never had a single solicitor come by. I have a fairly tall black wrought Iron fence around my house and after the mail comes, I padlock it. Cuts down on a lot of door to door stuff. Nothing I hate worse than religious and political pamphlets and the hawking of them. -- Cheri >I live in a mobile home park which is private property. When any >canvassers come to our door, I ask for a letter of permission for them [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Vicki > >> It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental > >> Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Why resist? :-) It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( > I love nothing better than yanking the chain of the more obnoxious > door-to-door religious hucksters. (basically, I feel that religion [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > doorbell, look and see that is was the pests ignoring my posted signs, > and hit the remote, and the problem would go away in a hurry! Oh, you are a BAD man! And I like you. :-) Priscilla Signature"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong > > >> It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental > > >> Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in > hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( Many unpleasant things in this world are actually blessings from God. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in >> hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( > >Many unpleasant things in this world are actually blessings from God. >To redirect this thread back on-topic: Then would I be unkind to wish upon you similar "blessings"? No one deserves that sort of abuse, especially not in their own home, period! > >> It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in > >> hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Then would I be unkind to wish upon you similar "blessings"? It remains my choice to welcome **all** blessings from God, whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) > No one deserves that sort of abuse, especially not in their own home, > period! It remains your choice to not welcome blessings from God and to judge His blessings as abuse. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >> It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in >> >> hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >It remains my choice to welcome **all** blessings from God, whom I love >with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) >> No one deserves that sort of abuse, especially not in their own home, >> period! > >It remains your choice to not welcome blessings from God and to judge >His blessings as abuse. I was not the one subject to the abuse, but I hardly consider it a blessing for the person that was. > >> >> It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in > >> >> hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I was not the one subject to the abuse, but I hardly consider it a > blessing for the person that was. It remains your choice. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> Why resist? :-) > >It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in >hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I'm afraid I'm a bit dense when it comes to gay issues. I just don't like bigots of any stripe, and enjoy pissing them off any way I can, so thought it was a possibility. But, that's just me, and this is definitely a YMMV thing. >> I love nothing better than yanking the chain of the more obnoxious >> door-to-door religious hucksters. (basically, I feel that religion [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Oh, you are a BAD man! And I like you. :-) ROFL! Why, thank you! :-) I should point out that the ones I drenched were repeat offenders. If I had told them (in terms they could not possibly misunderstand) not to ever come back, and they still did so in violation of my signs, I figured they were asking for it. Unfortunately, the irrigation system froze up on occasion, so I had to do it manually. A pitcher of water served the purpose nicely, plus I got that nice "face to face" thing going.. <evil grin>. >It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in >hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( Hey - I just got told I was Satan by Chung. Does the boss get special privileges? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >It's not pleasant being told you're an "abomination" and will burn in > >hell for eternity. It gets old *really* fast. :-( > > Hey - I just got told I was Satan by Chung. It seems to be your choice to bear false witness. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >Back when I lived in town, they were a real pest. I put up "no >soliciting" signs, which they ignored. I found that they did not, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >doorbell, look and see that is was the pests ignoring my posted signs, >and hit the remote, and the problem would go away in a hurry! Love it. But I enjoyed arguing with them with their book in my hand. It's odd - after regular door-knocks in our first few months at this address, they seem to walk straight past these days. All of them - mormons (loved those 18yo "elders"), JWs, whatever. We see them stride past, earnest and on a mission. I'm feeling neglected.. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >Back when I lived in town, they were a real pest. I put up "no > >soliciting" signs, which they ignored. I found that they did not, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm feeling neglected.. They have shaken the dust off their sandals at your doorstep. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>Back when I lived in town, they were a real pest. I put up "no >>soliciting" signs, which they ignored. I found that they did not, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >these days. All of them - mormons (loved those 18yo >"elders"), JWs, whatever. Mormons are very common here. I'm not too far south of Utah, and about 50% of the local population here is Mormon. I have grave difficulties with some of them, especially the ones who treat women as inferior, or the polygamists. I've got no real problem with polygamy as a concept: I figure it's an individuals own business who they marry, so long as all are consenting adults. But, I sure do have a problem when children are forced or coerced into it. This is, incidentally, is quite a problem in several towns north of here on the Arizona-Utah border. >We see them stride past, earnest >and on a mission. > >I'm feeling neglected.. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, Alan, you could start trying to convert them? :-) I have a good story about some of the "door to doors" last week. I was driving to downtown and I noticed that a big house had been totally toilet papered. It was all over the house, in several trees, and just everywhere. It was a mess. Well, the next day in the paper there was an article about some young LDS men who were going through the neighborhood who stopped and cleaned it all up, except for high in the trees. They said "they thought it would be a nice gesture to lend a hand." I agree. Much better than bothering people IMO. :-) -- Cheri Chris J. wrote in message ... >This is, incidentally, is quite a problem in several towns north of >here on the Arizona-Utah border. > >>We see them stride past, earnest >>and on a mission. >I have a good story about some of the "door to doors" last week. I was >driving to downtown and I noticed that a big house had been totally [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >said "they thought it would be a nice gesture to lend a hand." I agree. >Much better than bothering people IMO. :-) Thanks for the story. It's true that some of them are indeed very nice and considerate. I have quite a few Mormon friends who are great people. It's just a few of the extremists I have trouble with. Fresh faced young men from Utah keep tramping the streets here in northern England - a missionary spell is part of their commitment it seems. About twenty four years ago my younges son was a baby. he was difiicult to get to sleep. One evening I was walking him around in my arms, rocking him, singing shusshing to him etc when the doorbell rang. I answered it holding the bay expecting a friend. It was actually two of these well brushed smart young American Mormon missionaries. One kicked off with "We'd like to give a pre-sentation on family life ..." I butted in "sorry mate, I'm busy doing it" and shut the door. The sad news is that missionary work never seems to be very effective ... David Livingstone only converted to africans to Christianity and one of them subsequently relapsed into cannibalism. >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >David Livingstone only converted to africans to Christianity and one of them >subsequently relapsed into cannibalism. Sounds like an eminently sensible African. I'll leave it there; I'm one of those who is of the opinion that Africa, Oceania, most of Asia and South America would be much healthier places if all of the missionaries had stayed home. Teaching 'go forth and multiply' while actively discouraging birth control was only one of their many sins that the world is paying for today. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >be much healthier places if all of the missionaries had >stayed home. Or been cooked.... :-) I often look at the historical angles, too: Quite a few missionaries ordered the destruction of ancient artifacts, including written records on Easter Island (just to name one). > Teaching 'go forth and multiply' while actively >discouraging birth control was only one of their many sins >that the world is paying for today. It's so sad that many of them still teach that same claptrap, condemning millions to misery and early death. I do wish they would, at some point, acknowledge that the Bible does not say "Go forth and breed thy stupid selves into extinction.". >>>x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >at some point, acknowledge that the Bible does not say "Go forth and >breed thy stupid selves into extinction.". I'll stop now or this could get really heavy - and it's already way OT. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >I'll stop now or this could get really heavy - and it's >already way OT. Good point. I'd forgotten that this thread did not have an OT in the subject line. I'd like finish my participation in this thread by saying that I don't object to any religion (or lack thereof). One of my core beliefs is that everyone has the right to believe (or not) as they see fit. My only objection is to those who attempt to force their beliefs on others, or in so doing harm the innocent. >I'd like finish my participation in this thread by saying that I >don't object to any religion (or lack thereof). One of my core beliefs >is that everyone has the right to believe (or not) as they see fit That sounds damnably like "Do what you will, but harm none." Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G >When JWs come to my door, I resist asking them what they think of me, >since I'm queer. Instead I tell them that I'm an Episcopalian, and I'm >quite happy with my denominational affiliation, thank you very much, and >do have a nice day! > >Priscilla I tend to quote contrary biblical texts to them. Works marvellously:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. "When JWs come to my door, I resist asking them what they think of me, since I'm queer. Instead I tell them that I'm an Episcopalian, and I'm quite happy with my denominational affiliation, thank you very much, and do have a nice day!" I had some JWs stop by and ask me if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God. I said yes, metaphorically speaking, I believe all of us are sons and daughters of "god," and that Jesus is no exception. They bid me good day and left. I'm always fascinated at how much hatred my very religious relatives spew at those who are different. pc > > Alan wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery > store say he hates gay people because he believes in god. It is possible that this man you describe was actually not a Christian because Christians, who are mindful of Lord Jesus' second commandment to love all others, would hate no one including non-christian persecutors. Truth is simple. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >It's pretty common in the U.S. to have evangelical or fundamental >Christian people say things publicly----I had a man in the grocery >store say he hates gay people because he believes in god. And several >people in line agreed with him. I didn't respond. Maybe I should be >more vocal and "out" myself as a Unitarian! I would have responded - subject to how big and mean he was (I may be outspoken, but I'm not suicidal - I know how long wounds can take to heal for a diabetic:-) I don't "out" myself as anything in those circumstances. I just pass a similar comment. Something pleasant and non-confrontational, to my neighbour but loud enough to be overheard, like: "Some people are born as morons. Others need years of special indoctrination and education and still may never reach that standard." I have no problem with people who want to believe in anything they wish; I have a major problem if part of that belief is to tell me about it whether I want to know or not. My attitude then becomes quite aggressive if they attempt to convince me that I should join them. To a doctor that said "the declaration against Israel by Iran's leader was a sign that Jesus is returning to earth soon" my comment, if I bothered as I left, would be something along the lines of "I'm very sad to hear that you believe that. It means that I can no longer accept that any further advice you offer is based on training, education and wisdom rather than blind belief. Goodbye." Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >Guy, > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > In my view, in your context, that question would be totally > irrelevant and unprofessional. Matthew 7 comes to mind. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> In my view, in your context, that question would be totally >> irrelevant and unprofessional. > >Matthew 7 comes to mind. Matt 7:1-6 would be a good refresher for you. Particularly the verse on hypocrisy. But, in your case, don't even think about coming to my door for the final phrase of 7:7. Knock, and it will remain firmly closed. Actually, if I become aware that it is actually you, you should worry if it doesn't. Unfortunately, you epitomise Matt 7:9-10. People come here and ask advice on diabetes. Instead you give them religious dogma and a flawed and senseless diet. "Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?" Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureThe opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983) > >> In my view, in your context, that question would be totally > >> irrelevant and unprofessional. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Matt 7:1-6 would be a good refresher for you. Particularly > the verse on hypocrisy. It remains my choice to refrain from judging others including you. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Guy, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > People seem to be increasingly going public about pushing it. I > sometimes feel like I've gone back to 1959 in the Way Back machine. It the future, **all** heads will bow and knees will bend to publicly acknowledge that Lord Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. To redirect this thread back on-topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >It the future, **all** heads will bow and knees will bend to publicly >acknowledge that Lord Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. > >To redirect this thread back on-topic: Do you seriously think that "redirection" is going to help you in court? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >It the future, **all** heads will bow and knees will bend to publicly > >acknowledge that Lord Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do you seriously think that "redirection" is going to help > you in court? It remains my choice to stay on topic: ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you here: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. This isn't a site. Priscilla Signature"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong | > This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. | | This isn't a site. | | Priscilla You're absolutely right, this is a newsgroup. A "site" would be http or www. this starts with news:// RK, t1 | "Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what | the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong >> This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. > >This isn't a site. > >Priscilla NIt picking is for junior high school kids. You do know the purpose of this thread. Guy > This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. > No mention of religion was included. > > I read some really do not care. If some individuals want to make > a mockery of their religion, go to it. I'm so glad someone finally said qhis. I have been urging people to sqop using the coverq crucifix by subsqiquqing a q for qhaq haqed symbol. Qhe q is rarely used anyway. Sqop spreading the cross when you wriqe!!! Urge oqhers qo do qhe same. Yours qruly Saqan >> This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. >> No mention of religion was included. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Saqan How very quqe ! SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 27, 2005 is 2,016. YESTERDAY'S TOTAL WAS 2.009. TODAY'S TOTAL IS 2,016. HOW CAN ANYONE FIND THAT TO BE ACCEPTABLE???? Each star represents one person killed. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,000 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** **************** 2,016 United Kingdom = 97 ************************************************** ********************************************* Other = 102 ************************************************** ************************************************** ** Iraqi civilian deaths are unknown because the Bush administration doesn't want us to know the totals. >> This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. >> No mention of religion was included. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Saqan Hi Saqan I like it. I presume you've read "Meihem in ce Klasrum"? http://members.aol.com/VoxVideus/meihem.html Tshears, Alan, Ostreila. I find myself ashamed to have read this pointless thread. Presumably diabetics are people - and some people believe. This thread wastes bandwidth and confuses newcomers. >>> This site was setup years ago as a site for all diabetics. >>> No mention of religion was included. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Tshears, Alan, Ostreila. Not only read it, but contributed to the "pointless thread" we might add. What's your point? :-) -- Cheri Ofsted wrote in message ... >I find myself ashamed to have read this pointless thread. It is not pointless if you have diabetes and need information and support. If a person wants to bull sh.t there are thousands of outlets and there is no excuse for perverting the purpose of these groups for a persons's own whims. We need to grow up and leave the inane whims where they belong. Have you ever read the charter and statement of purpose of the MHD and ASD groups. There is no mention of a political whim use. There is something know as common sense and respect for diabetics who are sick or will probably will suffer in the future. We should be ashamed that we misuse these group for personal whims. .I do know it has caused several people that are good sources of information to leave. Our loss. It is time for someone to call it for what it is. . . >I find myself ashamed to have read this pointless thread. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Tshears, Alan, Ostreila. >I find myself ashamed to have read this pointless thread. > >Presumably diabetics are people - and some people believe. >This thread wastes bandwidth and confuses newcomers. As did your response. Does your newsreader have an "ignore thread" button? If you couldn't work out the nature of this thread from the title, you should be more ashamed of your comprehension problems. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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