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On-line Chat with HeartDoc about Diabetes (10/27)

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Oct 2005 12:05 GMT
**All** participants of ASD are cordially invited to the following
on-line event that will take place tomorrow from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

There will also be other guest experts participating to field questions
about diabetes.

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the Lord has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Uncle Enrico - 26 Oct 2005 14:17 GMT
Andrew,

I didn't know that BellSouth had abolished the Free Expression clause of
the First Amendment.  God Bless you in your lawsuit. Let me know if you
need help.

Richard

> **All** participants of ASD are cordially invited to the following
> on-line event that will take place tomorrow from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise:
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> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 26 Oct 2005 16:03 GMT
Hi Richard,

It remains my hope that the matter will be settled before going to
trial. No matter what happens, it will be according to God's greater
plan realized through my choice to obey Him.  May He receive all the
glory for all the power and authority comes from Him, in Lord Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

While chatting about diabetes tomorrow in Paradise, we certainly can
chat a little bit about BellSouth :-)

In Christ's love always,

Andrew

> Andrew,
>
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> > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Ozgirl - 26 Oct 2005 22:43 GMT
> Hi Richard,
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> While chatting about diabetes tomorrow in Paradise, we certainly can
> chat a little bit about BellSouth :-)

You really want to throw your ignorance about diabetes into
the main arena? Stick to cardiology. At least you know a few
things.
Alan Hardy - 26 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT
> nospam6 wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> the main arena? Stick to cardiology. At least you know a few
> things.

I note the words "a few", which is accurate. He got the info about
hypotension wrong -- and I have my cardio's word on that. If Chung knew what
he was doing, he would be too busy running his own practice or working in a
hospital to spend so much time on Usenet.

Alan H
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nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 26 Oct 2005 23:09 GMT
You are welcome to bring your cardio to the chat tomorrow to see how
s/he fares in openly discussing the type 2 diabetes epidemic.  The
cardios that work smarter and faster have more time for everything
especially if they have God's blessing.

Truth is simple.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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> > nospam6 wrote:
> >> Hi Richard,
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>
> Alan H
J. David Anderson - 27 Oct 2005 05:37 GMT
> You are welcome to bring your cardio to the chat tomorrow to see how
> s/he fares in openly discussing the type 2 diabetes epidemic.

For a Doctor, Andrew, you don't seem to know a lot about medical
terminology. An epidemic, used as a noun as you have just done, is a
widespread outbreak of an *infectious* disease. When did diabetes become
infectious? Was it last night while I wasn't looking?

Andrew, if you learned about diabetes in Med school, then I would expect
you to know the difference between an increase in the occurrence of a
disease and an epidemic. Of course if your knowledge was garnered purely
from media sources then I can understand your confusion.

  The
> cardios that work smarter and faster have more time for everything
> especially if they have God's blessing.

But what about those cardios, like you, who spend their lives pissing
people off, supposedly in God's name? Do you really think that God would
be pleased by a wannabe Christian who causes his name to be permanently
associated with harassment and irritation? If so, then you must have a
lower opinion of God's intelligence than I do.

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David

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nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 27 Oct 2005 07:59 GMT
> > You are welcome to bring your cardio to the chat tomorrow to see how
> > s/he fares in openly discussing the type 2 diabetes epidemic.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> widespread outbreak of an *infectious* disease. When did diabetes become
> infectious?

It has not.

> Was it last night while I wasn't looking?

No.  However, epidemic is also used to describe a medical diagnosis
that is becoming increasingly (and alarmingly) more prevalent.  For
example, obesity in the U.S. has been called the obesity epidemic.

> Andrew, if you learned about diabetes in Med school, then I would expect
> you to know the difference between an increase in the occurrence of a
> disease and an epidemic. Of course if your knowledge was garnered purely
> from media sources then I can understand your confusion.

A physician's effectiveness in communicating with patients is enhanced
when s/he is aware of the language that his/her patients are using.
This comes from seeing patients in practice **after** medical school.

>    The
> > cardios that work smarter and faster have more time for everything
> > especially if they have God's blessing.
>
> But what about those cardios, like you, who spend their lives pissing
> people off, supposedly in God's name?

The truth has that effect on the untruthful.

> Do you really think that God would
> be pleased by a wannabe Christian who causes his name to be permanently
> associated with harassment and irritation?

It remains my choice to obey God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind and strength, rather than to second-guess Him.

> If so, then you must have a
> lower opinion of God's intelligence than I do.

It remains my choice not to judge others, especially God.

Now, let's get back on topic and remember that we'll be chatting about
diabetes here...

**All** participants of ASD are cordially invited to the following
on-line event that will take place today from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

There will also be other guest experts participating to field questions
about diabetes.

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the Lord has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
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nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 26 Oct 2005 23:04 GMT
Thank you for your interest.  You are welcome to participate and share
your contrary views.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

> > Hi Richard,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> the main arena? Stick to cardiology. At least you know a few
> things.
Uncle Enrico - 27 Oct 2005 15:38 GMT
I'll see you there Andrew.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Oct 2005 20:59 GMT
> I'll see you there Andrew.

You certainly did.  You are welcome to join me again this Thursday for
the next on-line chat (11/3).  Other ASD participants are also welcome.
The chatroom is run by a Christian but just as Lord Jesus Christ
welcomed all people and topics, so will His bond-servant.  Questions
about diabetes will be answered.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
RB - 27 Oct 2005 03:35 GMT
BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
If Chung wants to discuss religion then he should go to the
appropriate forum.  ASD isn't it!

By the way Chung why multiple names?  Trying to hide something?

RB

>Andrew,
>
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>> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
>> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 27 Oct 2005 08:06 GMT
> BellSouth did not abolish anything.

BellSouth was unsuccessful.  The attempt was noted however.

> The issue was News Group violations for being off topic.

Actually, their specific verbal request concerned my signature and
**not** the content of my posts.

> Their AUP is clear on that matter.

Their verbal request was not.

> If Chung wants to discuss religion then he should go to the
> appropriate forum.  ASD isn't it!

It remains my choice to continue to obey God in everything that I do,
say, or write whether here in ASD or anywhere else in this world.

> By the way Chung why multiple names?

Each person should have his/her own name.

> Trying to hide something?

The lamps remain uncovered.

> RB
>
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> >> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> >> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Uncle Enrico - 27 Oct 2005 15:57 GMT
> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> RB

Take a close look at topic adherence on Usenet and tell me that
off-topic labels applied to expressions of faith are not being applied
unequally.

In the end, we need to trust the reader to decide which ideas are worthy
and not assume he is incapable of good judgment and impose the will of a
 communication Czar on him.
RB - 28 Oct 2005 02:16 GMT
>> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
>> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>and not assume he is incapable of good judgment and impose the will of a
>  communication Czar on him.

My exposure to Usenet is a dozen or less groups.  I could hardly
affirm or denie your statement. My gut feeling is that you are wrong.

However I know this;  If I went into my local Multiplex and starting
witnessing for Christ then it would only be a few minutes before I was
shown the door.  Why?  People paid money to see a movie without
distractions and in relative quiet and comfort.  My actions in this
case would impact on their expectations.

Usenet has rules also.  Group charters setup the ground rules and
discuss acceptable behavior in the group.  Moderated groups even more
so.  Most of us have to pay for Newsgroup access.  I know I do, and I
have an expectation that the group rules will be honored.

When someone repeatably violates the rules then that poster should
expect complaints to follow.

A quick scan of my groups list showed any number of groups that Chung
would find more acceptable to his needs.

Should he want to post here about diabetes and observe the group rules
he will not be challenge.  The ball is in his court.

RB
Alan S - 28 Oct 2005 04:07 GMT
>>> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
>>> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
>RB

Well said.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Oct 2005 20:59 GMT
> >>> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
> >>> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Well said.

Thankfully, the truth prevails over deception no matter how well
written.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
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nospam6@heartmdphd.com - 28 Oct 2005 09:48 GMT
> >> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
> >> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> My exposure to Usenet is a dozen or less groups.  I could hardly
> affirm or denie your statement. My gut feeling is that you are wrong.

Thankfully, the truth is more than your gut feeling.

> However I know this;  If I went into my local Multiplex and starting
> witnessing for Christ then it would only be a few minutes before I was
> shown the door.

That would depend on who is running the local Multiplex and what movie
was showing there.  There was plenty of open witnessing to others about
Christ after the Passion of Christ was viewed at local Multiplexes
around here.

> Why?  People paid money to see a movie without
> distractions and in relative quiet and comfort.

Witnessing does not occur during a movie because the sound is typically
too loud for other things to be clearly heard.

> My actions in this
> case would impact on their expectations.

Actually, your attempted action would fail simply because the Dolby
sound system will be stronger than your voice.

> Usenet has rules also.  Group charters setup the ground rules and
> discuss acceptable behavior in the group.  Moderated groups even more
> so.  Most of us have to pay for Newsgroup access.  I know I do, and I
> have an expectation that the group rules will be honored.

Actually access to this USENET group is free through Google so it has
been your choice to pay for something you did not have to.

> When someone repeatably violates the rules then that poster should
> expect complaints to follow.

Actually, a follower of Christ expects complaints because Lord Jesus
Christ predicted it.

> A quick scan of my groups list showed any number of groups that Chung
> would find more acceptable to his needs.

This is not about my needs but about my obeying Him.

> Should he want to post here about diabetes and observe the group rules
> he will not be challenge.  The ball is in his court.

And the T-shirt I am wearing says "Follow me to Paradise" ...

... and so I am clothed with "power from on high" (Luke 24:49)

... and do not fear Multiplexes casting me out because of the T-shirt
that I am wearing:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

... and here's my three-pointer that is only net (**swoosh**):

ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose
weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by
using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that
interest you here:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
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ted rosenberg - 29 Oct 2005 20:44 GMT
>> BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
>> violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> and not assume he is incapable of good judgment and impose the will of a
>  communication Czar on him.

Mo twit
Trolls like Chung should not clutter the bandwidth
AND - we all thank Bell South for anything they do to get rid of them

It is not FAITH that makes him a troll. He merely tries to disguise his
crap as being abot faith
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Oct 2005 20:59 GMT
> > BellSouth did not abolish anything.  The issue was News Group
> > violations for being off topic.  Their AUP is clear on that matter.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> and not assume he is incapable of good judgment and impose the will of a
>   communication Czar on him.

Actually, you would be hard pressed to find me starting **any**
off-topic threads in **any** USENET newsgroup.  Some folks believe that
if they mark the thread OT, that they are exempt for the very rules that
they use to judge other.  This would analogous to saying that having a
license plate that reads "Too Fast" is a license to speed.  

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
ted rosenberg - 27 Oct 2005 22:12 GMT
> Andrew,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Richard

<Chung crap snipped>

Sheesh
another idiot

Look Entico twit - the "free expression clause " as you call it does not
apply to Bell South, it applies to CONGRESS
AND, it still wouldn't protect trolls like Chung

Try READING the Bill of Rights, but, I suppose you can't read.
Uncle Enrico - 28 Oct 2005 05:34 GMT
Public Utilities are regulated by the government through the Interstate
Commerce Clause. A public utility, licensed by the state, and
discriminating against a particular type of religious expression is
analogous to a lunch counter in Mississippi refusing to serve African
Americans in 1952.  The court applies "Strict Scrutiny" when race,
creed, and national origin is used by commercial enterprises to
discriminate,  you wretched little man with the dirty mouth.  Now, go
wash that ugly pie hole of yours with soap, water and a huge dose of
Listerine and learn to be a human, if in fact that is what you are.
Marengo - 28 Oct 2005 14:18 GMT
|| Public Utilities are regulated by the government through the
|| Interstate Commerce Clause. A public utility, licensed by the state,
|| and discriminating against a particular type of religious expression
|| is analogous to a lunch counter in Mississippi refusing to serve
|| African Americans in 1952.

Bull.

Chung's offensive, Usenet rulebreaking cross-posting has nothing to religion
and everything to do with not following the same rules of use that everyone
else does.

To follow your analogy to its accurate conclusion, that lunch counter in
Mississippi would be refusing to serve Chung because he entered the diner
barefoot despite the "shoes must be worn" sign, then he would scream racial
discrimination.

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Alan S - 29 Oct 2005 00:32 GMT
>|| Public Utilities are regulated by the government through the
>|| Interstate Commerce Clause. A public utility, licensed by the state,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>barefoot despite the "shoes must be worn" sign, then he would scream racial
>discrimination.

Anti-hobbits?
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Oct 2005 20:59 GMT
> || Public Utilities are regulated by the government through the
> || Interstate Commerce Clause. A public utility, licensed by the state,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bull.

That would be anticipated reaction by the untruthful toward the truth.

> Chung's offensive, Usenet rulebreaking cross-posting has nothing to religion
> and everything to do with not following the same rules of use that everyone
> else does.

Truth offends the untruthful.  This thread is **not** crossposted.
Moreover, this thread remains on-topic.

> To follow your analogy to its accurate conclusion, that lunch counter in
> Mississippi would be refusing to serve Chung because he entered the diner
> barefoot despite the "shoes must be worn" sign, then he would scream racial
> discrimination.

As the lunch counter proprietor, you may certainly claim untruthfully
that your reason for not serving a black person is because of his/her
being barefoot.  Those who are able to discern the truth, will know the
truth about seeing the shoes on this black person's feet.

Truth is simple.

To redirect this thread back on-topic:

ASD participants who have type 2 diabetes and are overweight can lose
weight safely and permanently thereby possibly achieving a cure by
using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach as described here:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that
interest you here:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the Lord has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B 
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A 
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A 
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A 
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A 
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