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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2005Fasting Glucose Level
If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your body getting the sugar, fat? I'm trying to lower my level and maybe lose a bit of weight by not eating unless my blood glucose drops to less that 6.0. I am finding this does not happen very often. :-( Al "If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your body getting the sugar, fat?" Glucose is stored in the liver and to a degree the kidneys for just those times when the period between meals causes the glucose stored in muscle cells and that in blood to drop below normal levels because it has been used up, in the range of 80 or so. It starts releasing that stored glucose and in a diabetic where the control system and fewer beta cells don't respond in a normal way to turn it off when there is enough, it continues to rise just like when glucose enters the system after eating. Fat can be turned into glucose if this stored glucose is depleted. In general fasting is not good for a diabetic for this reason. It is better to eat less to lose weight and to exercise which aids the body in making best use of the glucose control it still has. >"If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your >body getting the sugar, fat?" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >to eat less to lose weight and to exercise which aids the body in making >best use of the glucose control it still has. When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has been used up? Al > When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does > the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has > been used up? > > Al I have read that you first have to work out for 45 minutes before fat can be converted into energy. before that if there is not enough carbs im afraid you are burning muscle. before I became diabetic I also read that if you work out too long and there is not enough energy that you start to burn muscle. I am not an expert I wont defend it here but its a great question to ask a dietitian. it is very possible that I am wrong ( it wouldn't be the first post with wrong info here ) but I wont take anyone's word for it I would do my own research if I really needed to find out or needed updated information. I am doing fine and don't worry about any of those things. I get enough carbs and I don't work out for 4 hours a day anymore like I once did. I was trying to be a body builder but ended up looking more like a boxer.  SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html > I have read that you first have to work out for 45 minutes before fat can be > converted into energy. > before that if there is not enough carbs im afraid you are burning muscle. That is nonsense. There is plenty of protein in the blood (called albumin) to provide the input for gluconeogenesis. But gluconeogenesis is an incredibly slow process, taking hours. Scavenging muscle protein is a last resort, and would take a frank, long term starvation of protein in the diet. > I was trying to be a body builder but ended up looking more like a boxer. The fawn or brindle variety? LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) -- Cheri >> I was trying to be a body builder but ended up looking more like a boxer. >> >The fawn or brindle variety? > LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>The fawn or brindle variety? Baaaaaaaaaad! :-) bwha ha ha ha ha needed that laugh today "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message ... > LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> > >The fawn or brindle variety? LMAO, soooooooo NOW we know why he's not the brightest bulb in the bunch.. HAHAHA... RK, | LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | >> | >The fawn or brindle variety? its pretty funny when you realize just how mentally ill and unhealthy these ladies and lol men are that are attacking me. use net is the place where the weak come to feel strong. I point out their lies and they attack. well I point out some of their lies. but I will look at many of their lasts posts - print them out and let me dogs sh.t on them lol. I could return insults with them but its not my style. ide rather make sure newbie's know the truth about their lies. if these people sound smart compared to your doctor. please please find a new doctor. I wouldn't feel right fighting with these ladies. they remind me of the angry old ladies you find at bingo halls smoking almost 3 packs a day ( Cheri ) and I am the guy that called out the wrong numbers. I will only make so many posts each day I can either waste them returning insults to weak and unhealthy old ladies or make sure anyone reading this hell whole sees the truth. watch out for low carb spammers. don't do what I say and please o please don't do as they do unless you like cholesterol medications and a bunch of other medications. go ahead bingo ladies - so anyone coming in here can see who infests this group.. you will make my job easier :). you old sacks of wine before my days are done I will look down on your posts and smile. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html > LMAO, soooooooo NOW we know why he's not > the brightest bulb in the bunch.. HAHAHA... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > | >> > | >The fawn or brindle variety? > its pretty funny when you realize just how > mentally ill and unhealthy these ladies and lol men are that are attacking [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > you old sacks of wine before my days are done I will look down on your posts > and smile. What? You cut and pasted the wrong bingo numbers? Try using balls next time. Borrow some from somebody muff-boy. -- Cheri Thomas Muffaletto wrote in message ... >I wouldn't feel right fighting with these ladies. they remind me of the >angry old ladies >you find at bingo halls smoking almost 3 packs a day ( Cheri ) and I am the >guy that >called out the wrong numbers. I will only make so many posts each day I can >use net is the place where the weak come to feel strong. Possibly true. Do you own a mirror Tom? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. so anyone > coming in here can see who > infests this group.. you will make my job easier :). > you old sacks of wine before my days are done I will look down on > your posts and smile. Stangely just about everyone who comes here very quickly sizes you up for what you really are. You don't credit people with having many brains, do you? another uplifting postitive post from Tom who has conscientiously avoided any questions about his prior posts i would think those willing to comment on their posts are the more confident people to deal with and notice how we are 'all old ladies waiting for bingo to start'........ oh, be still my beating heart, this too shall pass Tom.................. get a f.cking life and quit pretending to have more than a grade 7 education.............. you don't cut it kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > its pretty funny when you realize just how > mentally ill and unhealthy these ladies and lol men are that are attacking [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > you old sacks of wine before my days are done I will look down on your posts > and smile. http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm > Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... > Your American Diabetes Association > http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp > the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index > Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html > "RK" <reisak@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xxy7f.157935$lI5.86412@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > LMAO, soooooooo NOW we know why he's not > > the brightest bulb in the bunch.. HAHAHA... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > | >> > > | >The fawn or brindle variety? >another uplifting postitive post from Tom >who has conscientiously avoided any questions [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >bingo to start'........ oh, be still my beating >heart, this too shall pass he can insult those women all day, it only shows his contempt for his wife. That is a woman, if she is even real, that needs a serious self esteem adjustment. >Tom.................. get a f.cking life and quit >pretending to have more than a grade 7 >education.............. you don't cut it > >kate SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for himself. "its pretty funny when you realize just how mentally ill and unhealthy these ladies and lol men are that are attacking me. <snip> but I will look at many of their lasts posts - print them out and let me dogs sh.t on them lol. <snip> they remind me of the angry old ladies you find at bingo halls smoking almost 3 packs a day ( Cheri ) and I am the guy that called out the wrong numbers. <snip> you old sacks of wine before my days are done I will look down on your posts and smile." Most of us skip his posts, and sometimes Tom's true nature gets lost in the verbiage and poor punctuation. Form your own opinions. Alan, T2, Australia. The character of a man is known from his conversations. Menander (342 BC - 292 BC) or, better:-) Underneath this flabby exterior is an enormous lack of character. Oscar Levant (1906 - 1972) > Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for > himself. (snipping the quotes) well to be fair alan you should tell the whole story and not be so selective in your quoting. you quote tom but not the others who feel the need to slam his every post. you might ask yourself how yo'd feel if you got attacked like this. people respond in kind to what they get. the mob mentality and piling on is a sad thing to see in a group with the word "support" in its name. here are a few more you missed from others and these are just within a day or two and it's not even all the nastiness aimed at tom! >(tom wrote)I was trying to be a body builder but ended up >looking more like a boxer. J.C. Hartmann: The fawn or brindle variety? cheri: LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) RK: LMAO, soooooooo NOW we know why he's not the brightest bulb in the bunch.. HAHAHA... cheri: What? You cut and pasted the wrong bingo numbers? Try using balls next time. Borrow some from somebody muff-boy. alan s.: Possibly true. Do you own a mirror Tom? ozgirl: Stangely just about everyone who comes here very quickly sizes you up for what you really are. You don't credit people with having many brains, do you? tiger lily: Tom.................. get a f.cking life and quit pretending to have more than a grade 7 education.............. you don't cut it mack: he can insult those women all day, it only shows his contempt for his wife. That is a woman, if she is even real, that needs a serious self esteem adjustment. rk: Sadly Tom wouldn't know "healthy" if it bit him in his a.s! ozgirl: How can anyone combine low fat and hight fat? Moron. Perhaps you meant low cholesterol/trans fats but not low good fats. susan: The studies are only a secret from you, because you're too stupid to find them or read them. ozgirl: There are few more pathetic or ignorant than you Tom. thank you for only repeating the TRUTH... rk | > Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for | > himself. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] | There are few more pathetic or | ignorant than you Tom. > thank you for only repeating the TRUTH... > > rk thank you for illustrating my point....again. Sally > | > Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for > | > himself. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > | There are few more pathetic or > | ignorant than you Tom. <snide quotes to T.M. snipped> Well, perhaps you'd like a little history lesson then. This person first came here using the name Copulator. Then Cheeseburger, then Sushi Boy. His posts would be somewhat normal for a while, then would morph into something hideous whereby he would hurl the most disgusting insults, sometimes involving sex acts that I'm sure are illegal in many areas. And no, I would not expound on this. You may look them up if you want to. He was in my kill-file, but when I moved, I didn't put him back in there. Looks like I might have to though. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > "mrslang" <mslangerhans@aol.com> wrote in message news:1130295884.933675.94720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > <snide quotes to T.M. snipped> > > Well, perhaps you'd like a little history lesson then. This person > first came here using the name Copulator. Then Cheeseburger, then > Sushi Boy. His posts would be somewhat normal for a while, then > would morph into something hideous whereby he would hurl the most > disgusting insults, sometimes involving sex acts that I'm sure are > illegal in many areas. And no, I would not expound on this. You may > look them up if you want to. He was in my kill-file, but when I > moved, I didn't put him back in there. Looks like I might have to > though. You forgot the part where Tom thinks it's necessary to try and undermine the group's purpose by launching in with a ridiculous spiel to newbies about how the group will treat them. Often before anyone has even opened their mouths. But to be fair, at least his doing so shows immediately what a moron he is, the newbies can see him in full flight early in the piece. People here give examples of their differing levels of carb control and their personal experiences and results with those carb amounts. Equally, when Tom is being rational, he presents his carb amount. Why he feels the need to go off typing frenetically at a newbie with warnings has got me beat, after all, all of us eventually find our personal diabetic "niche". > You forgot the part where Tom thinks it's necessary to try > and undermine the group's purpose by launching in with a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > beat, after all, all of us eventually find our personal > diabetic "niche". That's true. I did forget that. Then again, he has been in my kill file more than out of it. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >> Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for >> himself. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >from others and these are just within a day or two and it's not even >all the nastiness aimed at tom! No problem. I'll say no more - I suspect he'll feel different in the morning. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > > Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for > > himself. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > >(tom wrote)I was trying to be a body builder but ended up >looking more like a boxer. snip > ozgirl: > There are few more pathetic or > ignorant than you Tom. Does someone who hurls obscene, disgusting insults at (women) posters deserve a break? Does someone who wishes amputation on posters deserve a break? I think not. He was given many breaks back in the beginning, look it up for yourself. You'll need a list of the numerous nicks he's used in the past, Julie's is incomplete. You're the one not telling the whole story. Vicki > > > Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for > > > himself. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You're the one not telling the whole story. Sorry for the incomplete list. I'm sure there were other names he used. I was out of the group for a while a few times for cross country moves and such. I'm sure I missed some things. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out. He's like "the cowardly lion of posting" or something. Always with the little sideways insults inserted into his posts. I see a pattern with him, about every two weeks he slams the group, especially if nobody is paying any attention to him. I think he enjoys starting these things up, just so he can have a little attention, and then the "poor me, the meanies are insulting me again." LOL -- Cher mrslang wrote in message <1130295884.933675.94720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... >> Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for >> himself. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >There are few more pathetic or >ignorant than you Tom. >> Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for >> himself. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > from others and these are just within a day or two and it's not even > all the nastiness aimed at tom! funny thing is i think everything was going fine until i made that post looking for a study that says all diabetics should be on metformin. of course the angry cripple susan was the first to throw out insults. the other thing they seem to hate me my speaking up that most if not all of the low carbers here take meds for blood sugar levels and cholesterol. and when i first came here they kept throwing it in my face that thier diet would result in them not having to take those meds despite what health organizations around the world say. >>(tom wrote)I was trying to be a body builder but ended up >looking more >>like a boxer. > > J.C. Hartmann: > The fawn or brindle variety? well lets see.. he is very well written and has done a lot of study on the subject of diabetes. however - he lacks the power of reason and is very fast with the insults. > cheri: > LMAO, but I bet he looks more like a southdown. :-) well she smokes 3 packs a day - and willing to bet she is probably one of the most unhealthiest people in here.. and that is saying a lot. kind of reminds me of that old lady in beatle juice that has the smoke comming out her throat > RK: > LMAO, soooooooo NOW we know why he's not > the brightest bulb in the bunch.. HAHAHA... has such poor control over her diabetes and lack of exercise that just a few months ago she had 2 liver dumps just from a little activity. > cheri: > What? You cut and pasted the wrong bingo numbers? Try using balls next > time. Borrow some from somebody muff-boy. lol her again. how does she find the time to type if she is always smoking. > alan s.: > Possibly true. Do you own a mirror Tom? Alan - left asd a month ago because he started to take metformin because his blood sugars are not good at all. took him a month to face the music. in a few posts he is now trying to make it look that he is taking the metformin because of the recent threads that just came up this week. > ozgirl: > Stangely just about everyone who comes here very quickly > sizes you up for what you really are. You don't credit > people with having many brains, do you? she calls me a moron I call her a retard. just a few months ago while talking to CeeBee ( sorry if i mixed up names ) and started to fight because she didnt know how many calories are in 1 gram of protien, carbs and fat. made a joke about me dieing because i wouldnt give up my doctors advice for strangers in a news group. I did not make any nasty posts until after that one - and it was at that time I have learned to hate this group. but that does not stop me from sticking with only the truth. I can not say the same for this bunch of liars. > tiger lily: > Tom.................. get a f.cking life and quit > pretending to have more than a grade 7 > education.............. you don't cut it lol actually she is pretty close. my mother had to raise 4 of us by her self. when i was 9 she started to work - my baby sitter was actually a job at age 9 when I would help Smoking Joe deliver 500 free samples of the new york post every day. i worked with him till i was about 16. at that point i was working full time. lets just say - i wanted more than 1 pair of pants. no fault of my mother. we were poor and she kept us out of the ghetto. > mack: > he can insult those women all day, it only shows his contempt for his > wife. That is a woman, if she is even real, that needs a serious self > esteem adjustment. has a very hard time taking care of his type 1 diabetes. I can not and will not say if it is because he is not as bright as he thinks he is. > rk: > Sadly Tom wouldn't know "healthy" if it bit him in his a.s! at least i can get someone to bite my a.s once and a while. > ozgirl: > How can anyone combine low fat and hight fat? Moron. Perhaps > you meant low cholesterol/trans fats but not low good fats. my spell check always trys to change her name to Cowgirl. perhaps it is trying to tell me something. > susan: > The studies are only a secret from you, because you're too stupid to > find them or read them. lol - one of the biggest jokes here. > ozgirl: > There are few more pathetic or > ignorant than you Tom. cowgirl - if you put a lens in each of her ears you can use her head for a telescope. Thank you Sally for speaking up and letting me address each one of these in 1 post instead of having to make 100 replies. till this day my offer stands to both Kurt and Sally - If I am out of line or they feel I am lying about something - I trust them and at this point I swear to god wish 1 of them would find a post of mine in the beginning of a flame fest and say 1 of my replies were out of line. I would feel much better if one day I found out all the things I see as double talk or sales pitches are nothing more than a miss understanding on my part. or if one day one of those 2 feel or say something like. Tom I may have not been here when you first came - but after a few years of watching these flame fests against you and other newbie's - that I can understand your feeling for them and do not think that you threw the first stone. I have a busy day today so il just end this with. booo, booo, booo, booo, AAAAAAAAAAAAH! Oooooh! Thank you, thank you, Thank you people, Thank you, Thank you I'm glad you like the show, yes, thank you very much folks. Good night and God bless! SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html Dance monkey, dance. -- Cheri Thomas Muffaletto wrote in message ... < snipped incoherent, illiterate, paranoid ramblings> Then there are always his old posts which have vague threats in them, as if anyone would be afraid of the little tuna. I do bet that he has to pay money to meet people in person though, especially if he wants to have a good time. :-) Tom said: "their are a few in here ide be willing to pay a bit of money to meet in person. lets just say I would have a good time." -- Cheri Alan S wrote in message ... >Just to clarify things a little. I'll let Tom speak for >himself. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >character. > Oscar Levant (1906 - 1972) > > I was trying to be a body builder but ended up looking more like a boxer. > > The fawn or brindle variety? LOL! <snort> <chortle> Priscilla > When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does > the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has > been used up? > > Al Your blood only has about 5g of glucose circulating at any point in time. This assumes that your BG is 100mg/dl and that you have about 5L of blood. Sound wrong? Do the math. If you were to run a marathon, you would probably "carbo-load", so there is some active conversion of carbs in the GI tract to glucose available to use as fuel. The body stores glucose as glycogen in the liver (about 75g/300cal) and muscles (about 400g/1600cal), but this is a limited amount which can be used up quickly with intense exercise. When this happens, the body changes to burning fat and creating ketones. The cells are completely capable of using the ketones as fuel. Excess glucose is converted by the p450 cytochrome process in the liver to free fatty acids that are stored as visceral and adipose fat. Fat is *never* converted back to glucose. Jim >> When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does >> the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >time. This assumes that your BG is 100mg/dl and that you have about 5L >of blood. Sound wrong? Do the math. I did the math, we are sweeter: 100mg/dl * 5L * 10dL/L * 1g/1000mg = 50g. >If you were to run a marathon, you would probably "carbo-load", so there >is some active conversion of carbs in the GI tract to glucose available [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >used up quickly with intense exercise. When this happens, the body >changes to burning fat and creating ketones. Did I understand this correctly, you use .25g/calorie and your liver and muscles store a total of 475g or 1900 calories. So if my exercise program requires 5000 calories and I am not losing weight then I must be overeating? Al > I did the math, we are sweeter: 100mg/dl * 5L * 10dL/L * 1g/1000mg = > 50g. 100mg/dl = 1g/L 1g/L * 5L = 5g >>If you were to run a marathon, you would probably "carbo-load", so there >>is some active conversion of carbs in the GI tract to glucose available [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Al Glycogen is a matrix of glucose and has approximately 4 kcal/g, just like any carb. The 75g of glycogen stored in the liver therefore has 300 kcal. Likewise, the 400g of glycogen stored in the muscles has about 1600 kcal. FYI, these figures come from Ellenberg and Rifkin's "Diabetes Mellitus", 5th edition. If your exercise program really requires that you burn 5000 calories, it is one hell of an exercise program. A 190 lb. person running at 7.5mph (8 minute miles) for an hour will burn 1078 kcal. So you would have to be running 8-minute miles for almost 5 hours to burn 5000 kcal. (Source: http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm) So, you must be quite the athelete. Or maybe math isn't your best thing. Jim >> I did the math, we are sweeter: 100mg/dl * 5L * 10dL/L * 1g/1000mg = >> 50g. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Jim Hi Jim Please post more often. Thank you, Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> I did the math, we are sweeter: 100mg/dl * 5L * 10dL/L * 1g/1000mg = >> 50g. > >100mg/dl = 1g/L 1g/L * 5L = 5g Oops, you are right at 5 grams. Should have used a calculator. :-( >>>If you were to run a marathon, you would probably "carbo-load", so there >>>is some active conversion of carbs in the GI tract to glucose available [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >So, you must be quite the athelete. Or maybe math isn't your best thing. I only used that 5000 as an example, I have now idea how many calaries my exercise program burns. I don't consider myself close to being an athelete but I do try to walk at about 2 hours a day. What is the definition of kcal? Is 1 kcal equal to 1 calorie or is it something differnet? Al > What is the definition of kcal? Is 1 kcal equal to 1 calorie or is it > something differnet? > > Al Basically, 1 Calorie (C) = 1 kilocalorie (kcal)= 1000 calories (c) A calorie (note the small 'c') is a measure of heat, specifically the amount of heat it takes to raise 1g of water 1 deg C at one Atmosphere of pressure. Likewise, a kcal is a kilocalorie, the amount of heat that it takes to raise a kilogram of water the same 1 deg C. A kcal is sometimes abbreviated as 'Cal', using the upper case, to avoid confusion with a degree Celsius. For use with food, calories represent the amount of heat energy available if one burns or oxidizes that food. For daily use, we measure in Calories, as saying that a gram of carbohydrate has 4 Calories, because it's easier to drop the kilo, and deal with smaller numbers. By using the term 'kcal', there can be no confusion between calories and Calories. You may see posters from more "metricised" countries use the term kilojoules (kj). Joules are a measure of energy, but not necessarily heat energy, and 1 kj = 0.24 kcal or 1 kcal = 4.2 kj. Jim >> What is the definition of kcal? Is 1 kcal equal to 1 calorie or is it >> something differnet? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >sometimes abbreviated as 'Cal', using the upper case, to avoid confusion >with a degree Celsius. that 1 kcal = 1000 calories is not confusing that 1 Cal = 1000 calories is confusing but thanks for clearing that up for me. Al >>>When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does >>>the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Al Al, No. The metabolism is much more complex than some nutritionists suggest. Insulin resistance and other metabolic flaws related to diabetes can make it so your body stores fat at intake levels that should, in theory, produce weight loss. I certainly found this to be true. I also spent over a year logging my food intake against weight using software, weighing portions, and being ridiculously anal, just to see what was really going on. What was going on was that after achieving my weight loss goal, I started gaining weight while eating at an intake level that was 600 calories less than a hospital nutritionist told me was right for my age, weight, and activity level. This was during a period when I was hitting the gym at least 4 times a week. When I started taking metformin, which reduced my insulin resistance, I swiftly dropped the weight and was able to maintain at my goal weight for the next 1.5 years while eating an additional 300 calories a day and NOT exercising at all. (I had to stop as I'd really messed up my foot.) Not only that, but in the past, I went for over a month eating 1200 calories on a low fat diet and lost no weight at all. Then I went on a very low carb diet and lost 20 lbs within a few months while eating a lot more calories. For me, the carb level combined with insulin resistance, are what governs weight loss. I leave it to the imbeciles who like to cite the laws of thermodynamics to fume over this. It's inappropriate. The laws of thermodynamics tell you how much energy there is in a gallon of gas, but they don't explain why a Hyundai that weighs the same amount as a Civic gets 8 or 9 miles less per gallon. Same with metabolisms. Some are efficient, some are not, and some are downright malevolent! --Jenny http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info > For me, the carb level combined with insulin resistance, are what governs > weight loss. I leave it to the imbeciles who like to cite the laws of > thermodynamics to fume over this. This popped up on asd.low-carb last week - interesting read. http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9 Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does > the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has > been used up? Excess glucose is converted to fat, not the other way around. Protein can be partially converted to glucose. Once all the glucose stores are depleted, fat is converted to ketones, which the cells use for energy instead of glucose. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:54:18 -0500, "None Given" <nonegiven@invalid.invalid> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >> When you exercise your body uses glucose right? At what point does >> the body convert fat to glucose, only after the stored glucose has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >depleted, fat is converted to ketones, which the cells use for energy >instead of glucose. no. as the fat is burned for energy ketones are produced as a by product. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:54:18 -0500, "None Given" > <nonegiven@invalid.invalid> Huffed and Puffed the following into the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > no. as the fat is burned for energy ketones are produced as a by > product. Yabbut, ketones are also used for fuel. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Susan only to a limited extent. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > only to a limited extent. They're still fuel. Just sayinzall. Susan On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:43:57 GMT, Al Kaufmann <al_kaufmann@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>"If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your >>body getting the sugar, fat?" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Al in a non-diabetic yes. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:43:57 GMT, Al Kaufmann ><al_kaufmann@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >in a non-diabetic yes. I have to assume that it also happens with a diabetic person too but maybe not as efficiently or how else are they going to lose weight? If your doctor tells you to lose weight the fat has to go somewhere. Al > I have to assume that it also happens with a diabetic person too but > maybe not as efficiently or how else are they going to lose weight? > If your doctor tells you to lose weight the fat has to go somewhere. Insulin resistance calls for more insulin production, taxing the ß-cells. When they can no longer keep up and glucose goes too high is when diabetes is diagnosed. At that point you are probably still making more insulin than a normal person but it isn't enough. High levels of insulin inhibit weight loss and cause excess glucose to be stored as fat. Lower resistance ==> lower insulin levels which allows weight loss. Without lowering resistance, weight loss is extremely difficult and gain extremely easy. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes >>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:43:57 GMT, Al Kaufmann >><al_kaufmann@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Al Hi Al Just a side note. Be a little cautious of words, particularly food words. There is a tendency to oversimplify like these examples: Eat fat = get fat Eat cholesterol = high blood cholesterol. So, the eat "healthy" oversimplifiers assume: healthy diet = low fat, low cholesterol. Somehow, they forget that all of the other things that we eat - carbs, proteins etc, if eaten in excess, may also turn into body fat and high blood cholesterol. Additionally, "healthy" eating for a person with a flawed metabolism, like a diabetic, is not necessarily the same as healthy eating for a healthy person. That's just my opinion, by the way, because it's diametrically different to the ADA view that "People with diabetes can eat the same foods the family enjoys". Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Somehow, they forget that all of the other things that we > eat - carbs, proteins etc, if eaten in excess, may also turn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "People with diabetes can eat the same foods the family > enjoys". Alan, First of all, welcome back. Secondly, the statement by the ADA, taken out of context as you did above, does not really represent the intent of what they are trying to say. That one statement comes after a somewhat long explanation and advice to eat healthy. Eating healthy includes a lot of factors. I've always read the statement about eating the same foods as the family enjoys as suggesting that the family unit should eat good foods as well. Although many families do eat some pretty crappy foods, a healthy diet for a non diabetic shouldn't be that much different than a healthy diet for a diabetic. That might be my own biased, so I will include the copy from the page that includes the quote you listed and let people make up their own minds. I don't think anyone here - although I could be wrong :) - will disagree with what is written below by the ADA. It is also important to note that, contrary to what "some" in here report, the ADA does not tell people how much or what to eat. They make suggestions, but as illustrated below, they are only that. One needs to work with their doctor and/or dietician to discover what is best for the individual. Best of health, Kurt. Now here's the text from the ADA site (diabetes.org): What is a diabetes meal plan? A diabetes meal plan is a guide that tells you how much and what kinds of food you can choose to eat at meals and snack times. A good meal plan should fit in with our schedule and eating habits. The right meal plan will help you improve your blood glucose, blood pressure, and cholesterol numbers and also help keep your weight on track. Whether you need to lose weight or stay where you are, your meal plan can help. People with diabetes have to take extra care to make sure that their food is balanced with insulin and oral medications, and exercise to help manage their blood glucose levels. This might sound like a lot of work, but your doctor and/or dietitian can help you create a meal plan that is best for you. When you make healthy food choices, you will improve your overall health and you can even prevent complications such as heart disease, some cancers, and hypertension. There are many ways to help you follow your diabetes meal plan. Some ways are following the Food Guide Pyramid, Rating your Plate, Exchanges Lists, and Carbohydrate Counting. They are all different but hopefully one is right for you. What is a healthy diet? A healthy diet is a way of eating that that reduces risk for complications such as heart disease and stroke. Healthy eating includes eating a wide variety of foods including vegetables, whole grains, fruits, non-fat dairy products, beans, and lean meats, poultry and fish. There is no one perfect food so including a variety of different foods and watching portion sizes is key to a healthy diet. Also, make sure your choices from each food group provide the highest quality nutrients you can find. In other words, pick foods rich in vitamins, minerals and fiber over those that are processed. People with diabetes can eat the same foods the family enjoys. Everyone benefits from healthy eating so the whole family can take part in healthy eating. It takes some planning but you can fit your favorite foods into your meal plan and still manage your blood glucose, blood pressure and cholesterol. >Alan, > >First of all, welcome back. Secondly, the statement by the ADA, taken >out of context as you did above, does not really represent the intent >of what they are trying to say. Hi Kurt Thanks. I thought I had put in the link, something I usually do. You are right, I didn't include it and I do invite everyone to read the ADA web site and linked pages in detail. Any time I quote something from there, I prefer readers to go back to the source. In the 3+ years since I first started reading it, the advice there has changed enormously. The change is never announced, but I know because I have old posts with verbatim quotes. Sometimes it's only a word here and a punctuation mark there, but the changes are significant. That, to my mind, is excellent. At least better advice is gradually appearing. Unfortunately, sometimes the changes just aren't enough. For example, this still appears at http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/starches.jsp "The message today: Eat more whole grains! Whole grains and starches are good for you because they have very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol. They are packed with vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Yes, foods with carbohydrate -- starches, vegetables, fruits, and dairy products -- will raise your blood glucose more quickly than meats and fats, but they are the healthiest foods for you. Your doctor may need to adjust your medications when you eat more carbohydrates. You may need to increase your activity level or try spacing carbohydrates throughout the day." Now, this is what used to appear under exactly the same web address: "The message today: Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat more whole grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn, potatoes and winter squash." The remaining words are identical. I cut and pasted that direct from their site a year ago http://tinyurl.com/apft2 It's not just semantics. They changed those words with care. That same page used to include a warning against low-carb diets; maybe they think it's a craze that has passed, because it has been deleted - or maybe moved elsewhere. Incidentally, the sentence I find most damning there is "Your doctor may need to adjust your medications when you eat more carbohydrates." To me, you don't need to be Einstein to work out that reducing carbs to an acceptable minimum would also minimise medications and the chance of unwanted side-effects. Their acceptance of that statement leads one to start thinking about the power of big pharma. They may only be very small chips in a very large wall, but we'll keep chipping away. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > It's not just semantics. They changed those words with care. > That same page used to include a warning against low-carb > diets; maybe they think it's a craze that has passed, > because it has been deleted - or maybe moved elsewhere. The educator at the class I went to specifically warned against high protein diets, but didn't use the term low carb. I must be doing ok since I'm still close to her recommended amount of protein. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes >> It's not just semantics. They changed those words with care. >> That same page used to include a warning against low-carb [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The educator at the class I went to specifically warned against high > protein diets, but didn't use the term low carb. I must be doing ok > since I'm still close to her recommended amount of protein. I am not concerned about the amount of protein as long as I have enough, but I do stick to just the amount I need, I also lower carb, it all fits in well for me. I have a question. When I get up in the morning my readings are between 97 and 107. Are those bad numbers for not eating all night? SusanLa MO >> "Alan S" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > have enough, but I do stick to just the amount I need, I > also lower carb, it all fits in well for me. > I have a question. When I get up in the morning my readings are between 97 > and 107. Are those bad numbers for not eating all night? of course not! Dave > I have a question. When I get up in the morning my readings are between 97 > and 107. Are those bad numbers for not eating all night? Those are pretty decent numbers for fasting. SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes It is also > important to note that, contrary to what "some" in here report, the > ADA does not tell people how much or what to eat. They make > suggestions, but as illustrated below, they are only that. One needs > to work with their doctor and/or dietician to discover what is best > for the individual. Best of health, Kurt. Kurt, the first sentence in the ADA quote below contradicts what you say about them NOT telling you what or how much to eat. Also the rate your plate contradicts it, try putting meat and vegetables on the plate, they won't let you go further because you didn't add carbohydrates which seems to be saying that you can only get carbs from rice, pasta, potato etc and not the other vegetables you eat. > Now here's the text from the ADA site (diabetes.org): > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you need to lose weight or stay where you are, your meal plan can > help. > People with diabetes can eat the same foods the family enjoys. > Everyone benefits from healthy eating so the whole family can take > part in healthy eating. It takes some planning but you can fit your > favorite foods into your meal plan and still manage your blood > glucose, blood pressure and cholesterol. I can't make anything else out the last sentence other than that if you have a favourite food no matter what it is, you can incorporate it into your plan. For those who don't want to make a lifestyle change, and there are many, that would leave the choices wide open and not always appropriately. If trying to keep the bg's etc in line there would be people who eat a spoon full of mudcake (bad nutritional choice) in preference to the equivalent carbs from healthier foods like raw vegetables salad and low GI fruit. Bear in mind that the ADA might be the only place a diabetic can get info if finances dictate. The wording isn't crystal clear as far as I am concerned. A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each meal is to "Rate Your Plate." SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/channel.htm Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html >A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each >meal is to "Rate Your Plate." I give mine only 3 out of 10. It's fairly basic cheap china, white with a blue edging. If you're coming round for dinner, I'll get out the Sheffield heirloom set - that's about a 9. Neither affects my BGs though:-) Would I be correct to think you really meant this: http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/rate-your-plate.jsp "When you sit down for a meal, draw an imaginary line through the center of your plate. Draw a line to divide one section into two. * About one-fourth of your plate should be filled with grains or starchy foods such as rice, pasta, potatoes, corn, or peas. * Another fourth should be protein -- foods like meat, fish, poultry, or tofu. * For the last half of your plate, you can fill it with non-starchy vegetables like broccoli, carrots, cucumbers, salad, tomatoes, and cauliflower. * Then, add a glass of non-fat milk and a small roll or piece of fruit and you are ready to eat!" Well, it works for me if I do a slight amendment. I delete "About one-fourth of your plate should be filled with grains or starchy foods such as rice, pasta, potatoes, corn, or peas" and "add a glass of non-fat milk and a small roll or piece of fruit". I amend the third sub-para so it reads: "For the last three-quarters of your plate, you can fill it with non-starchy vegetables like broccoli, carrots, cucumbers, salad, tomatoes, and cauliflower." Then it rates 10/10:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each >>meal is to "Rate Your Plate." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Neither affects my BGs though:-) Alan, are you willing to back up that statement by eating one and then testing every 30 minutes????????? :-) >>>A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each >>>meal is to "Rate Your Plate." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Alan, are you willing to back up that statement by eating one and then >testing every 30 minutes????????? :-) No, teeth couldn't handle that these days, with the periodontal and all that. I'll go by your results if you want to give it a try. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>>A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each >>>>meal is to "Rate Your Plate." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >periodontal and all that. I'll go by your results if you >want to give it a try. But, Alan, wasn't it you who told me not to totally exclude things from my menu without testing them? >>>>>A quick way to make sure you are eating a variety of healthful foods at each >>>>>meal is to "Rate Your Plate." [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >But, Alan, wasn't it you who told me not to totally exclude things >from my menu without testing them? Possibly, but I suspect I was speaking about foods rather than ceramics. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>>Alan, are you willing to back up that statement by eating one and then >>>>testing every 30 minutes????????? :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Possibly, but I suspect I was speaking about foods rather >than ceramics. I don't seem to recall you specifying that.... :-) > It is also > > important to note that, contrary to what "some" in here [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and what kinds > > of food you can choose to eat at meals and snack times. To me, calling what one eats a diabetes meal plan means "the plan we choose to follow as a person with diabetes." In other words,the WOE we have come up with based on a consultation with our doctor, dietician, and ourselves. That isn't a specific "you have to eat this way" mandate. But, I guess it all depends on how one reads things and interprets what is being said. It's the old glass being half-empty or half-full. > I can't make anything else out the last sentence other than > that if you have a favourite food no matter what it is, you > can incorporate it into your plan. I don't read it that way...again YIMV (Your Interpretation May Vary). Since the text that precedes that suggests that one should eat healthy foods then it doesn't seem to me they are advocating eating any foods you want: "Healthy eating includes eating a wide variety of foods including vegetables, whole grains, fruits, non-fat dairy products, beans, and lean meats, poultry and fish. There is no one perfect food so including a variety of different foods and watching portion sizes is key to a healthy diet." >For those who don't want > to make a lifestyle change, and there are many, that would [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > finances dictate. The wording isn't crystal clear as far as > I am concerned. I don't think it can be crystal clear, or should be. And I'm not talking about just the ADA, but any diet or WOE that any group advocates. We are all different and all have individual needs. In my opinion, the best diabetic diet is one that is somewhat vague and offers guidelines that one should follow. The specifics should be worked out with the patient, dietician, and of course the patient. And the ADA website doesn't have to be, nor should it be, the only place a person with diabetes can get info about diabetes. The first line of defense and information is one's doctor. If finances don't allow a visit to a doctor - Rich or poor, the library is free to all, and most have computers with Internet. If they can make it to the ADA site, they can make it to many others that offer a differing view. However, no site, no one place, should be the source of being told that "you should eat this way." BTW, what the heck is "mud cake"...sounds dirty...in a delicious sort of way. :) Best, Kurt > BTW, what the heck is "mud cake"...sounds dirty...in a delicious sort > of way. :) > > Best, > Kurt I have not had any in 2 years 11 months 3 weeks and 5 days. I guess I would says.. it is a lot like a brownie on steroids. really really thick and really really rich and chocolate upon chocolate. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=mud%20cake&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi it is er was my favorite cake :(. if I ever said cheese cake was my favorite it can only be because I did a very good job at forgetting about mud cake. damn you Kurt :). I will have to work in a piece very soon. my mouth is watering. Tom >> BTW, what the heck is "mud cake"...sounds dirty...in a delicious sort >> of way. :) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Tom Hi Tom I knew if we waited long enough we would find something to agree on. My Mississippi Mud Cake is one to die for. Literally. I've deliberately lost the recipe, but I remember some of the ingredients: 200gm dark chocolate Cup of sugar Cup of flour 250gms (1/2lb) butter A large slurp of Scotch or Bourbon and so on. Suitable serve for me these days - the size and thickness of a 3c postage stamp. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >My Mississippi Mud Cake is one to die for. > >Literally. Given those ingredients, you might need to replace "for" with "from" in the above sentence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) >I've deliberately lost the recipe, but I remember some of >the ingredients: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Suitable serve for me these days - the size and thickness of >a 3c postage stamp. I think just looking at it would make me spike.. :-) > My Mississippi Mud Cake is one to die for. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A large slurp of Scotch or Bourbon > and so on. So, did the slurps of Scotch go into the cake? ;) >>My Mississippi Mud Cake is one to die for. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So, did the slurps of Scotch go into the cake? ;) I make a great flourless chocolate cake that's as decadent as any, and I use xylitol for sweetener with no compromise in texture or taste. Scotch or bourbon is prolly delicious, but would put this cheap drunk right under the table. :-) Susan >> My Mississippi Mud Cake is one to die for. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >So, did the slurps of Scotch go into the cake? ;) Yep - but there is more than one slurp in a bottle.. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>> BTW, what the heck is "mud cake"...sounds dirty...in a delicious sort >>> of way. :) [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Suitable serve for me these days - the size and thickness of > a 3c postage stamp. i know what you mean - look at all that fat. :) is it just me or is this the most pleasant this group has been in a few years? > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > BTW, what the heck is "mud cake"...sounds dirty...in a delicious sort > of way. :) Lol, you have led a sheltered life ;) >Just a side note. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. I think I eat healthy, my problem is probably a combination of eating too much and then reduced exercise between Oct-Dec. Well, I am back on the wagon for now. :-) I am happy with my meter readings staying in a range of 5.6 to 7.8 and my symptons are gone. I am eating about the same now as before I was diagnosed but in less quantities. I know there are certain foods that I love that almost act like poison but... it is very hard to stop at eating just one. I really do not like replacing a food I like with food I do not like. Thanks for the advise, Al >I think I eat healthy Post today's menu, including all portion sizes, all snacks, and don't forget the breads and drinks. If you don't want to do that publicly, do it for yourself and note beside each meal or snack what your one-hour post-prandial BGs test result was. Then review if you are actually "eating healthy". Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your > body getting the sugar, fat? Your liver. It releases glucose when it senses too big a drop. > I'm trying to lower my level and maybe lose a bit of weight by not > eating unless my blood glucose drops to less that 6.0. I am finding > this does not happen very often. :-( I'm assuming you're type 2. Yes? If you rarely go below 108 (6.0), then you probably need to adjust your body to lower levels. How high are you spiking after eating? How tightly do you control your carbohydrate intake? Are you on meds? Insulin? Priscilla >> If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your >> body getting the sugar, fat? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >are you spiking after eating? How tightly do you control your >carbohydrate intake? Are you on meds? Insulin? Yes I am Type II and so far it has been just diet and exercise. I really don't know how high I am spiking after dinners, my specialist told me I only needed to test before dinners. (I moved and have not seen any specialist in 5 years.) How am I controlling my carbohydrate input? I hate to say this but my self-control is not as good as it should be. I just had some blood test and I'm told I still don't need medication, except for some Nizoral cream to clear up a fungus problem. I've been eating less and exercising more now. The glucose levels are definitely on a downward trend, 7.2 this morning. I do about 10Km per day but I don't think I'll be able to keep that level up very long. I seem to do okay until this time of year and I wonder if the problem is caused by eating more and doing less exercise or if it is part of the natural aging process or both? Al > Yes I am Type II and so far it has been just diet and exercise. I > really don't know how high I am spiking after dinners, my specialist > told me I only needed to test before dinners. (I moved and have not > seen any specialist in 5 years.) How am I controlling my carbohydrate > input? I hate to say this but my self-control is not as good as it > should be. !!! Studies to examine the question have found that fasting bg is the least informative, and misses most diabetic bg spikes, which take place in the hour or two after meals. If you can get enough strips, and use Jennifer's advice to newbies, you'll have a much better handle on managing your health. Susan | >> If you get a high blood glucose level while fasting where is the your | >> body getting the sugar, fat? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | input? I hate to say this but my self-control is not as good as it | should be. Well admitting you don't have good control is the first step... Second step is to get good control. I'm guessing you don't have errectile disfunction yet? hmm reckon that's a good thing. You really need to test prior to eating, to let you know how many carbs you can safely eat. Then you need to test 90min / 120mins after eating to see what those carbs actually did to you. THAT is the ONLY way you will see inside of your body. Just think... is that doctor the one who's gonna end up with a limp dick? Go blind? Lose their leg... die of Kidney failure? Hell NO! You need to take the bull by the horns and buckle down... learn all you can and it's NOT an admittance to failure if you need meds to help you gain good numbers. With that said.. <grin> Welcome to ASD. RK, t1 | I just had some blood test and I'm told I still don't need medication, | except for some Nizoral cream to clear up a fungus problem. I've been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Al |
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