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G'day G'day Vanny,

Thanks.  I wanted to make sure I wasn't launching myself on a wild
goose chase.

Coorssen J. gets something over 400 hits on

http://scholar.google.com

That is weird. I thought one of the reasons folks went to dieticians
was to get dietary recommendations tailored to their medical
condition.  Ah, well.  Add that to the list of things I have believed.

Theoretically this isn't hard.  Saturated fats have the reputation of
raising LDL levels.  This is one reason why many people restrict their
intake. Think of this as being like buying one of those cars that is
advertised "as is, where is" it is very much at your own risk.

More interesting questions might be,

A. which saturated fatty acid profile to choose.

and

B. which sources of saturated fats to choose.

Long ago I chose to include small quantities of goat and ewe cheese in
my diet.  Dairy products have fats with a higher levels of saturation
than most other sources.  Coconut is an exception. It is almost
entirely made up of saturated fats.  It isn't as simple though as
copying my choice. One has to look at regions where people apparently
have higher intakes of saturated fats without the expected increase in
coronary heart disease.  Some regions of France appear to fit that
description yet even there, there is controversy. Another is
Girona,Spain.

Look up the French Paradox on http://scholar.google.com 
It helps to eliminate a lot of sales scams if one uses scholar google.

In particular take the time to find out WHAT ELSE one must do if one
wishes to eat a diet high in saturated fat with relative safety.

After one gets bored at looking at the articles on red wine and
resveratrol click on Advanced Scholar Search and choose

Without the words    resveratrol   wine.

Med Hypotheses. 1997 Oct;49(4):313-8. Related Articles, Links  

The French paradox unmasked: the role of folate.

Parodi PW.

The French paradox relates to the paradoxical association of a diet
high in saturated fat and cholesterol with low coronary heart disease
mortality and is contrary to the 'lipid hypothesis'. France and other
regions with low heart disease mortality have a high consumption of
fruit and vegetables. Epidemiologic studies show fruit and vegetable
consumption is inversely related to coronary heart disease mortality,
but recent intervention studies do not support the theory that
protection is due to antioxidant vitamins. Fruit and vegetables,
however, are rich sources of folate. Folate lowers plasma homocysteine
levels. Even mild to moderate elevation in plasma homocysteine level
is a strong risk factor for arteriosclerosis of the coronary,
cerebral, and peripheral arteries. This should explain not only the
French paradox but also why known risk factors may explain as little
as 25% of the risk for coronary heart disease.

AND

Limitations on the adage "eat a variety of foods'?1,2
Ann M Coulston

"... the guideline is most commonly translated to mean "eat a variety
of foods." It is surprising that the analysis of food consumption data
from a large and varied group of adults found that increased variety
within food groups was associated with increased body fatness and
increased energy intake (1). The analysis indicates that for 8 food
groupings, increased variety correlated with increased energy intake,
including fruit and vegetables. Further analysis, controlled for age
and sex, found that vegetable variety was negatively correlated with
percentage body fat and variety from the combined group of sweets,
snacks, and condiments; variety in lunch and dinner entrées positively
correlated with percentage body fat."

Put simply, increasing the variety of vegetables keeps one thin.
Increasing the variety of sweets and snacks keeps one fat.

AND

After the French paradox comes the Italian enigma
Abergavenny Roger Dobson

"Frequent consumers of Italian pizza had less than half the risk of an
acute myocardial infarction compared with those eating pizza only
occasionally, says a research article in the European Journal of
Clinical Nutrition (2004:58;1543-6). Even those who ate fewer than
four portions a month seemed to gain some protection."

http://heart.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/90/1/107
Is a jolly good read.

FWIIW, the areas of France that have featured in the "French Paradox"
may also be areas with a high intake of omega-3 from certain
vegetables and walnuts.

Best wishes,

. . .(snip). . .

There are two ways to measure cholesterol in common use.     One can report
the various fractions of a "lipid panel" in mg/dL or in mmol/L,  i.e.

Total Cholesterol
HDL
LDL
Triglycerides

If your lab uses mg/dL,   the dangerous ratio of triglycerides to HDL is 3.0
or more.    If your lab uses mmol/L,  the dangerous ratio of triglycerides
to HDL is 1.3 or more.

". . . .According to my doctor that is normal with diabetes. . ."

Yes, it's very common,  perhaps so common that it's normal.   However,  it's
also very dangerous.    Type 2 diabetics are in serious danger of death from
premature heart attack and that ratio is a "marker" for that risk.

Sorry that you can't exercise or control your diet as you would wish.
FWIW,   niacin helps with triglycerides.   Pantethine helps with HDL.

Regards
 Old Al

That reaction is a very common one to the "standard" diets pushed by
dieticians. This one is of immediate use:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

That is not going to happen. Sorry, but whatever your cholesterol issues
(and you might want to check cholesterol and stroke in google, lots of
Japanese studies), it's not going to fix your diabetes. By diagnosis, you
probably have less than half your beta cells left; that's not usually a
recoverable position.

Nicky.

Hi Vanny

I've read the other responses. Please post your actual
numbers (we go both ways here - so we can convert if
necessary:-)

Total
LDL
HDL
trigs
VLDL (if you know)
HbA1c
Fasting BGs
And any post-prandial BGs that you know. Also, give us an
idea of the diet you follow now, and what the restrictions
on diet and exercise are from your other ailments.

Like the others, I can't give much advice on raising LDL; I
have the opposite problem and take a statin to minimise it.

However, on diet, I strongly agree with the advice others
have offered - read the "test, test, test" advice by
Jennifer at
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Welcome, and come back with lots more questions after you
read that.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.