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Very successful LC pizza experiment

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Susan - 17 Oct 2005 02:31 GMT
Tonight we made two pizzas, using Bob's Red Mill Low Carb bread mix.  I
bought it because soy was way low down on the ingredients list (I hate
soy baked goods).  It's mostly high gluten wheat flour, oat flour, flax
meal, fiber, etc.

First pizza we made with half the bread dough, rolled it out to fit a
14" diameter non-stick pizza pan with holes in the bottom to enable
crisping.  We topped it with chunky marinara, yellow pepper strips,
onion, sliced black olives, Italian seasoning and a whole bag of
shredded mozzarella and some parmesan shreds.  Baked at 400F for about
15 minutes.  We were surprised at how good it was, but decided the crust
thickness was too much like a slice of LC bread.  Definitely not as good
as old fashioned white flour pizza crust, but the whole pizza was
incredibly delicious anyway.

Second pizza had the same toppings, except pesto replaced the marinara
sauce, and we used very thin slices of tomato on top of the rest of the
stuff.  We used half as much bread dough for the crust so it would be
thinner, and taste less like LC bread.  The pesto pizza was way better
than the other pie.  Only differences we'll try next time are a 450F
oven to see if we can get the crust crisper all the way through, and
sesame seeds on the bottom and top edge of the crust.  Would definitely
not attempt this without a perforated pan or a pizza stone.

Best part, besides the great meal, is that my BG is 108 at 1 hr., after
4 slices.  :-)

Susan
PSA271 - 17 Oct 2005 02:51 GMT
I am trying this next weekend. My BG is always below 100 and I have missed
pizza ever since I was diagnosed (8 weeks).

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Susan - 17 Oct 2005 02:58 GMT
> I am trying this next weekend. My BG is always below 100 and I have missed
> pizza ever since I was diagnosed (8 weeks).

Let me know how yours turns out? The crust isn't as good as the real
thing, but the overall pizza taste was great.  Even my LC substitute
hating husband loved it.  I think sesame seeds on the crust will help a lot.

Susan
W. Baker - 17 Oct 2005 23:22 GMT
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: > I am trying this next weekend. My BG is always below 100 and I have missed
: > pizza ever since I was diagnosed (8 weeks).

: Let me know how yours turns out? The crust isn't as good as the real
: thing, but the overall pizza taste was great.  Even my LC substitute
: hating husband loved it.  I think sesame seeds on the crust will help a lot.

: Susan

This should be great for me as I have not had a pizza in about 6-7 years!!  
Who remembers the exact tste of the crust:-)

Wendy
Susan - 17 Oct 2005 23:42 GMT
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Let us know if you make it.

Susan
Priscilla H. Ballou - 17 Oct 2005 16:37 GMT
> I am trying this next weekend. My BG is always below 100 and I have missed
> pizza ever since I was diagnosed (8 weeks).

For me, at least, planning my pizza eating before an afternoon of
mall-shopping or other activity on foot keeps me from spiking.

Priscilla
Eddie from Ohio - 17 Oct 2005 03:21 GMT
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Susan......Pardon me for butting in but......I was in the pizza bidness
for 40 yrs.  A tip.  For a very crispy crust in a home oven try this.
Par bake the crust.  That means ..roll out the crust to fit the pan.
Then bake the crust only for a couple of minutes in the oven.  Watch
out for a bubble forming.  Let cool.  Now you can handle the crust
easily.

Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
pizza onto the stone in your oven.  This is called  ..."baking on the
hearth"

When it is done....slide the cookie sheet under the pizza and pull it
out of the oven.  Cut it on the sheet and yer ready to eat.

Eddie
Susan - 17 Oct 2005 03:40 GMT
> Susan......Pardon me for butting in but......I was in the pizza bidness
> for 40 yrs.  A tip.  For a very crispy crust in a home oven try this.
> Par bake the crust.  That means ..roll out the crust to fit the pan.
> Then bake the crust only for a couple of minutes in the oven.  Watch
> out for a bubble forming.  Let cool.  Now you can handle the crust
> easily.

Thanks, Eddie from Ohio!  I'll try it next time.  Do you mean we can
stretch it more after par baking?

> Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
> on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
> pizza onto the stone in your oven.  This is called  ..."baking on the
> hearth"

I don't have a pizza stone, and I was worried about trying to slide it
onto one and possibly making a mess.

> When it is done....slide the cookie sheet under the pizza and pull it
> out of the oven.  Cut it on the sheet and yer ready to eat.
>
> Eddie

Great tips, thanks!

Susan
Eddie from Ohio - 17 Oct 2005 04:27 GMT
> Thanks, Eddie from Ohio!  I'll try it next time.  Do you mean we can
> stretch it more after par baking?

No Susan.  A par baked pizza is like what you would find in the
grocery.  Such as a "Boboli" brand.  You cant stretch it.  Of course
the difference is you are making your own to cut the carbs.

> > Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
> > on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
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> I don't have a pizza stone, and I was worried about trying to slide it
> onto one and possibly making a mess.

In that case...just bake it on the cookie sheet.  It is the cornmeal on
the crust and it being parbaked that will make the pizza crisp.

> Great tips, thanks!
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> Susan

Anytime
Eddie
Susan - 17 Oct 2005 14:22 GMT
>>Thanks, Eddie from Ohio!  I'll try it next time.  Do you mean we can
>>stretch it more after par baking?
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> No Susan.  A par baked pizza is like what you would find in the
> grocery.  Such as a "Boboli" brand.  You cant stretch it.  Of course
> the difference is you are making your own to cut the carbs.

I see.  I was confused by your remark about it being easier to handle.

>>>Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
>>>on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
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> In that case...just bake it on the cookie sheet.  It is the cornmeal on
> the crust and it being parbaked that will make the pizza crisp.

I'll try the cornmeal, and I'll continue to use the perforated pizza
pan, I think.  The crust was crisp on the bottom, pretty much.

Susan
Priscilla H. Ballou - 17 Oct 2005 16:35 GMT
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> I don't have a pizza stone, and I was worried about trying to slide it
> onto one and possibly making a mess.

I have a stone and a peel (peal?), and the cornmeal dusted on the peal
works sort of like ball bearings to let the pizza/bread slide off onto
the stone.

Priscilla
None Given - 17 Oct 2005 17:57 GMT
> Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
> on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
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> When it is done....slide the cookie sheet under the pizza and pull it
> out of the oven.  Cut it on the sheet and yer ready to eat.

How long do you need to heat the oven to get the stone hot enough and does
the corn meal keep the crust from sticking to the stone even though you take
it off the cookie sheet to bake it?

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 17 Oct 2005 19:36 GMT
> > Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
> > on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
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> How long do you need to heat the oven to get the stone hot enough

A lot longer than one thinks.  I like to give it up to an hour.

> and does
> the corn meal keep the crust from sticking to the stone even though you take
> it off the cookie sheet to bake it?

It does for me.

Priscilla
Eddie from Ohio - 17 Oct 2005 20:09 GMT
> > > Next.....sprinkle a little corn meal on a cookie sheet.  Put the crust
> > > on it and then dress the pizza as you like it.  To bake......Slide the
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> Priscilla

Here is a couple of more things I thought of that might help in baking
a pizza at home.  The main difference between a home stove and a real
pizza oven is that a home stove will not get as hot as a true pizza
oven.  Also...A true pizza oven is designed with bricks as a hearth
which can be 8 inches thick.  These thick bricks hold the heat in the
oven no matter how many times the door is opened.

Also the bricks should be 700 degrees.  The result is the pizza bakes
from the bottom and makes for a crispier crust.  You can get a very
edible pizza in a home stove but you cannot get the results of a true
pizza oven.

And.....Susan did not mention in her recipe if her dough will rise.  I
didn't recall her mentioning Yeast in the dough. To get true pizza
dough and taste....the dough must rise and be kneaded.  All of these
things make a difference.  But if it works for you GREAT.

ME?  I just buy a pzza crust at the store.  Cut out about 3 pieces from
the crust.  Make a normal pizza baked on a cookie sheet with cornmeal.
Of course My BGs are good and I can get away with a few more carbs once
in a while.

Whatever!!  Pizza is still the greatest food ever invented I think.

Eddie
Susan - 17 Oct 2005 22:39 GMT
> And.....Susan did not mention in her recipe if her dough will rise.  I
> didn't recall her mentioning Yeast in the dough. To get true pizza
> dough and taste....the dough must rise and be kneaded.  All of these
> things make a difference.  But if it works for you GREAT.

Yes, it was a bread mix with yeast.  Rose for an hour in the oven with
the light on. It doubled.

> ME?  I just buy a pzza crust at the store.  Cut out about 3 pieces from
> the crust.  Make a normal pizza baked on a cookie sheet with cornmeal.
> Of course My BGs are good and I can get away with a few more carbs once
> in a while.

We used 1/4 of the bread dough for the second crust, and that seemed the
right thickness.  I'd bought a whole wheat dough from the store just in
case ours didn't work; it's in the freezer now.

> Whatever!!  Pizza is still the greatest food ever invented I think.

I agree.  Usually, I eat the toppings off, and have a taste of the outer
crust.  A lot of places locally have started making grandma pies, which
have very thin crusts.

Susan
rich - 17 Oct 2005 04:57 GMT
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> Best part, besides the great meal, is that my BG is 108 at 1 hr., after 4
> slices.  :-)

I've recently found a great pizza substitute using Santa Fe Carb Choppers
low-carb tortillas (4 grams net carb).  I just put some Ragu sauce, a
sprinkle of parmesan sheese, some shredded mozzarella cheese, a drizzle of
olive oil, a little Italian seasoning, and some pepperoni and put them in a
500 degree oven on unglazed tiles.  They come out great, and I have pretty
high standards, having grown up on NYC pizza.  BG readings are fine, even if
I eat 3 of them.

Rich
Susan - 17 Oct 2005 14:24 GMT
> I've recently found a great pizza substitute using Santa Fe Carb Choppers
> low-carb tortillas (4 grams net carb).  I just put some Ragu sauce, a
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> high standards, having grown up on NYC pizza.  BG readings are fine, even if
> I eat 3 of them.

We've had success, too, with Damascus flax rollups.  But homemade crust
was definitely better. Our pizza last night tasted exactly like real NY
pizza, except for the crust, a bit.

I, too, am a spoiled metropolitan NYer and former pizza maven.  ;-)

Susan
 
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