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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2005Sorry
I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no sense and that I should stop. They don't you notice people don't pay attention to you. So I think it's best I stop. You all have been kind and helpful. Thank you so much. SusanLa Mo > I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from > someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SusanLa Mo Waitaminute, SusanLa. Numerous folks have responded to you in all sincerity. One a$$hole emailed you and you're taking off? If you still have questions and concerns about your diabetes, stick around. Susan > I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from > someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SusanLa Mo Please don't go, just because of one person. I suggest you put the guilty one in your email killfile. Alan H I wouldn't pay any attention to an idiot that would send such an email. You have just as much right to post here as anyone else. Do the rest of us a favor, stick around, keep posting and id the idiot. You could even post the email, so we can all appreciate what an idiot he/she is. Anon > I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from > someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SusanLa Mo : I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from : someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no : sense and that I should stop. They don't you notice people don't pay : attention to you. So I think it's best I stop. You all have been kind and : helpful. Thank you so much. : SusanLa Mo Susan, Please don't listen to that poster. If you have questions they are mportant to you and many of us here want to help. Remember, no question is stupid if you don't know the answer or are confused. What with your curent steroid problems you need all the help and hugs you can get. Please don't stop posting! Wendy > Please don't listen to that poster. If you have questions they are > mportant to you and many of us here want to help. Remember, no > question is stupid if you don't know the answer or are confused. Or, as someone put it, the only stupid question is one you don't ask.  SignatureSteve Gray sgray2@cfl.rr.com If anyone acted stupid, it's the person that sent you the email. Ignore the stupid twit and continue to post. :-) -- Cheri Susan wrote in message ... >I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no >I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >SusanLa Mo And so you are going to allow ONE person to drive you away? How does that make any sense? I read most posts on subjects that I find interesting and if yours had been "stupid" I am sure I would remember them and who posted them. Since I don't, I'm pretty sure that I didn't find anything you put up to be stupid. The decision is yours, but for the life of me I can't see why you are so willing to give one person with a negative attitude drive you away. OTOH, I find any post or private email that insults another member of our family in such a way to be really stupid and manipulative. So, I guess the person who sent you the email is the one that is really stupid - not you. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. "Susan" <blackwolf@mokancomm.net> wrote in alt.support.diabetes: > They said I posted stupid posts. That they made > no sense If by accident that _were_ the truth, you sure would be in good company on Usenet. > So I think it's best I stop. In any public place you'll risk to meet the local village idiot, and Usenet is no different - well, apart from its size. Make that "a lot of local village idiots". So I think it's best you continue posting. http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm http://www.sitedeveloper.ws/tutorials/spam.htm#outlookexpress SignatureCeeBee ***Ancient Wisdom in a Crunchy Treat*** Dont let any a.shole from hear bully you out of posting. I am quite dismayed at that. They tried for years to get me to take out my sig line, and I wont. Please stay. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. : Dont let any a.shole from hear bully you out of posting. I am quite : dismayed at that. They tried for years to get me to take out my sig : line, and I wont. : Please stay. : Loretta : -- : In tribute to the United States of America and the State : of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and : terrorism. Loretta, I totally agree with you, but am surprised at your language!! I always thought yu were such a "lady.":-) It's nice to see that yu are human too:-) Wendy-wishing you a good and healthy year. >I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no >sense and that I should stop. They don't you notice people don't pay >attention to you. So I think it's best I stop. You all have been kind and >helpful. Thank you so much. Susan, one person does not speak for us all! Please ignore them and remain. > I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from > someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SusanLa Mo You are feeling sorry for yourself and want people to beg you to stay? That's always what this sort of post is about. I've seen it time and time again on various NG and the poster always continues to post. The just want affirmation that the are "ok" and the complainer is out of line. My money is on you continuing to post here. Dave > You are feeling sorry for yourself and want people to beg you to stay? > That's always what this sort of post is about. I've seen it time and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave what happened to the "y"s?? several times "they" ended up as "the". I'm going to smack my right index finger for failure to press "y". Dave >> I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >> someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Dave I considered that possibility too David. However, on the off chance that SusanLa Mo was being totally serious I wanted her to know that allowing one a.shole to drive her would only mean the terrorists have won. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. > David wrote: > You are feeling sorry for yourself and want people to beg you to stay? > That's always what this sort of post is about. I've seen it time and > time again on various NG and the poster always continues to post. The > just want affirmation that the are "ok" and the complainer is out of > line. My money is on you continuing to post here. The complainer *is* out of line. This is a "support" group, btw. We even support poor spellers! ;) pc >> I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >> someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Dave after that response, I'm curious, did you send that email to her? SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Susan, Does it make sense to give up? You can do more to make change through participation then you can by hiding. Your call. Terry Stone > I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from > someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SusanLa Mo >I'm sorry but I won't be posting anything anymore. I got a email from >someone from this group. They said I posted stupid posts. That they made no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >SusanLa Mo Tell the group who sent the email. You may find the results interesting. As it is the person who sent the email would identify themselves if they had any gumption. How about it Email writter, have the guts to speak up? RB Susan, Your posts are welcome and encouraged. Surfing USENET is just like driving the freeway--there are aggressive posters. You can always report them to their ISP, killfile them, etc. Don't let them drive you away. We are all here because we need this information and we are well-served by the support we find here. Believe me, I've dealt with some live ones myself over the years, and I've participated in news groups since the 1980s!!! Like people in all human systems--most are well-meaning and helpful and a small percentage are jerks. Please stay and don't let them win. pc >Susan, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >pc There is only one person that can drive someone away from here. That is the person themselves. If you will remember a certain buddy accused Mack and I of forcing him to leave. We didn't drive him away at all. He chose to leave of his own volition. Of course it is easier to do something if you choose to place the blame on others rather than accepting responsibility for your own actions. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. Wrong, Chuck. You know what is said about "assumptions"? I never "left", Chuck. My old used Compaq computer fried a motherboard. Being finacially challenged, it took a while to get another computer. But you'll never believe that . . .so, believe your little "assumption" if it makes you feel superior. And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at all, you pompous fool. Oh, yes, the reference to "buddy" is obvious, as you intended it to be. You and Mack were the only ones to ever call me that. It's a compliment, BTW, since that was my step-dad's original nickname for me. It is sad, though, to see how you attack those you think aren't around . . . .quite the coward. Budd > >Susan, > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Love is giving all with no conditions. > Love is expecting nothing in return. >Wrong, Chuck. You know what is said about "assumptions"? > >I never "left", Chuck. My old used Compaq computer fried a motherboard. >Being finacially challenged, it took a while to get another computer. But >you'll never believe that I have no reason to doubt what you said here Bud. You made it very clear before leaving the last time that you thought Mack and I were persecuting you and were leaving because of it. >. . .so, believe your little "assumption" if it >makes you feel superior. You already know that I have no need nor desire to feel superior to anyone. >And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at all, you >pompous fool. Oh, yes, the reference to "buddy" is obvious, as you intended >it to be. You and Mack were the only ones to ever call me that. It's a >compliment, BTW, since that was my step-dad's original nickname for me. I have always considered you to be a friend and brother, even though a reluctant one. >It is sad, though, to see how you attack those you think aren't around . . . Once again you jump to conclusions. I have not attacked you, nor did I ever attack you except to defend myself after you made gross erroneous assumptions about me. I have found you many times to be quite similar to my third son. That is, I love Joe as a son, but quite often can't stand his behavior since it is so terribly self-centered and he usually thinks others are out to get him. >.quite the coward. Budd, if I were a coward I would just ignore you rantings or killfile you. Oh. I forgot. You in fact killfiled both Mack and I (or at least claimed to) for quite a long period of time. Actually, I am happy to see you posting again. I do hope this time you will bless us with your experience, strength and hope rather than quoting platitudes found in some book. >Budd BTW, do you still believe Bush to be a good Christian and honest man in light of all of his proven lies and uncaring behavior over the past few months? We now are approaching the 2,000 mark of dead Americans who all died as a direct result of Bush's lies. All Americans should be ashamed to call him President. God loves you and so do I. Live with it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 14, 2005 is 1970. Each star represents one person killed. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,000 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ******************** 1,970 United Kingdom = 96 ************************************************** ********************************************* Other = 102 ************************************************** ************************************************** ** Iraqi civilian deaths are between 24,000 and 100,000 by all estimates. > >Wrong, Chuck. You know what is said about "assumptions"? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > clear before leaving the last time that you thought Mack and I were > persecuting you and were leaving because of it. I said I wasn't posting anymore. Can't remember things well anymore, Chuck? > >. . .so, believe your little "assumption" if it > >makes you feel superior. > > You already know that I have no need nor desire to feel superior to > anyone. Liar. > >And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at all, you > >pompous fool. Oh, yes, the reference to "buddy" is obvious, as you intended [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have always considered you to be a friend and brother, even though a > reluctant one. And I consider you to a thorn in my side although the pain is often in my gluteous maximus. > >It is sad, though, to see how you attack those you think aren't around . . . > > Once again you jump to conclusions. I have not attacked you, nor did I > ever attack you except to defend myself after you made gross erroneous > assumptions about me. I call you as I "see" you. > I have found you many times to be quite similar to my third son. That > is, I love Joe as a son, but quite often can't stand his behavior > since it is so terribly self-centered and he usually thinks others are > out to get him. Oh, I understand, I often find your behavior to be reprehensible . . I wonder where your son learned it? > >.quite the coward. > > Budd, if I were a coward I would just ignore you rantings or killfile > you. Oh. I forgot. You in fact killfiled both Mack and I (or at least > claimed to) for quite a long period of time. No, to ignore me wouldn't be cowardice, but to make back handed references to me is. > Actually, I am happy to see you posting again. I do hope this time you > will bless us with your experience, strength and hope rather than > quoting platitudes found in some book. Would you ask a soldier to leave behind all his resources, weapons, ammo, armor and supplies before going to face an enemy? That's what you are asking of me. > BTW, do you still believe Bush to be a good Christian and honest man > in light of all of his proven lies and uncaring behavior over the past > few months? None of your business. Btw, have you never been misinformed? Or don't you watch CNN anymore? > We now are approaching the 2,000 mark of dead Americans who all died > as a direct result of Bush's lies. All Americans should be ashamed to > call him President. Then you have the right to be ashamed and the right to be offended as well. You do not have the right to not be ashamed nor not be offended. We both have the right to be offensive and to shame others. > God loves you and so do I. Live with it. My God and Saviour loves you and is waiting to hear from you. He said so in His Bible. Read it again for the first time. Budd <liberal/socialistic propaganda snipped> >> >Wrong, Chuck. You know what is said about "assumptions"? >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I said I wasn't posting anymore. Can't remember things well anymore, Chuck? There isn't a think wrong with my memory. Why is it you now come back in with flames flying? Can you not accept the love of a brother diabetic? >> >. . .so, believe your little "assumption" if it >> >makes you feel superior. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Liar. Just because you do not believe me does not a liar make of me, my brother. >> >And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at all, >you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And I consider you to a thorn in my side although the pain is often in my >gluteous maximus. That makes it your problem. Once again, I consider you to be a brother. It may be a brother with a very narrow bigoted view of things, but a brother none the less. >> >It is sad, though, to see how you attack those you think aren't around . >. . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I call you as I "see" you. Through your astigmatic myopic view. >> I have found you many times to be quite similar to my third son. That >> is, I love Joe as a son, but quite often can't stand his behavior [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Oh, I understand, I often find your behavior to be reprehensible . . I >wonder where your son learned it? From his bitch of a mother, which she remains to this day. Joe is the only one of our children that has not told me how bitter and crazy she is and how happy they are that I have found a wonderful mate in Laurie. >> >.quite the coward. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >No, to ignore me wouldn't be cowardice, but to make back handed references >to me is. Bach handed? Me thinks your paranoia is showing. >> Actually, I am happy to see you posting again. I do hope this time you >> will bless us with your experience, strength and hope rather than >> quoting platitudes found in some book. > >Would you ask a soldier to leave behind all his resources, weapons, ammo, >armor and supplies before going to face an enemy. I have not asked you to leave your beliefs behind - not ever. I have asked you to express your own opinions rather than parroting something you read in an ancient book. > That's what you are asking >of me. To quote your earlier statement in this post, "Liar." >> BTW, do you still believe Bush to be a good Christian and honest man >> in light of all of his proven lies and uncaring behavior over the past >> few months? > >None of your business. See? You refuse to express a real opinion except to flame a fellow brother in diabetes. What a wonderful Christian example you set for others to follow. > Btw, have you never been misinformed? Or don't you >watch CNN anymore? I never have watched CNN very much at all. I am surprised you can tear yourself away from FAUX-NEWS, aka FOX-NEWS, long enough to know what others are saying. >> We now are approaching the 2,000 mark of dead Americans who all died >> as a direct result of Bush's lies. All Americans should be ashamed to >> call him President. > >Then you have the right to be ashamed and the right to be offended as well. As are many, many other proud Americans. I am very proud of our soldiers in arms. I am ashamed of what Bush is forcing them to do and of them being maimed and killed based on lies. >You do not have the right to not be ashamed nor not be offended. We both >have the right to be offensive and to shame others. That makes about as much sense as many of the idiocies that Bush, Cheney and Rove spout. >> God loves you and so do I. Live with it. > >My God and Saviour loves you and is waiting to hear from you. He said so in >His Bible. Read it again for the first time. NEWS FLASH!!! GOD NEVER WROTE ANY BOOK!!! NONE!!! When I talked to Her this morning she asked me to continue including you and your misguided brethren in my prayers. She told me to remain steadfast in my understanding and tolerance of those that are willing to hate others for their way of seeking Her guidance and blessings. >Budd > ><liberal/socialistic propaganda snipped> So, according to you, listing the number of Americans killed in the war in Iraq is "liberal/socialistic propaganda"? Is that right? In other words you do not feel any respect whatever for the sacrifice they have given. And you have the unmitigated gall to call yourself a patriot and a Christian. That proves you to be a prevaricator of the worse kind. Pathetic! A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. Bud you and I can continue to flame one another or we can choose to show our love of God by giving it freely to each other. Your choice my brother. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 14, 2005 is 1970. Each star represents one person killed. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,000 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ******************** 1,970 United Kingdom = 96 ************************************************** ********************************************* Other = 102 ************************************************** ************************************************** ** Iraqi civilian deaths are between 24,000 and 100,000 by all estimates. > >> >Wrong, Chuck. You know what is said about "assumptions"? > >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > in with flames flying? Can you not accept the love of a brother > diabetic? Where or when have you ever not given me reason to not defend myself and my beliefs? You slam Christianity, you slam me. You are a fellow diabetic. > >> >. . .so, believe your little "assumption" if it > >> >makes you feel superior. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Just because you do not believe me does not a liar make of me, my > brother. No, but your untruths do. > >> >And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at all, > >you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > brother. It may be a brother with a very narrow bigoted view of > things, but a brother none the less. You percierve bigotry because you are blinded by your own. > >> >It is sad, though, to see how you attack those you think aren't around . > >. . [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Through your astigmatic myopic view. No, that would be your vision of Christianity. > >> I have found you many times to be quite similar to my third son. That > >> is, I love Joe as a son, but quite often can't stand his behavior [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is and how happy they are that I have found a wonderful mate in > Laurie. Ah, denial of responsibility. Funny, your attitude towards me is quite similar to what you see and dislike in your son. > >> >.quite the coward. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bach handed? Me thinks your paranoia is showing. Methinks you self denial of responsibility is still running rampant. > >> Actually, I am happy to see you posting again. I do hope this time you > >> will bless us with your experience, strength and hope rather than [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > asked you to express your own opinions rather than parroting something > you read in an ancient book. The Bible is my armor, my shield, my support, my beliefs, my all. Tis better that I parrot the writings of a God that loved me enought to be the sacrifice for my sins than to parrot the secular world's lies, deceptions and evil. > > That's what you are asking > >of me. > > To quote your earlier statement in this post, "Liar." Wrong, Chuck. I have never asked you to put down any book that supports your beliefs, though I have refused to read them. In that we have agreed, since YOU refuse to read the Bible. And, although I have on occasion asked you to not quote from them, you continue to do so. OTOH, if I quote Scripture, you come completely unglued, DEMANDING THAT I STOP, ASSAULTING MY BELIEFS, CASTING ASPERSIONS ON MY SANITY AND INTELLIGENCE. Now who's being the bigot again??? Don't point your finger at me, there are three digits pointing back at yourself. > >> BTW, do you still believe Bush to be a good Christian and honest man > >> in light of all of his proven lies and uncaring behavior over the past [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > brother in diabetes. What a wonderful Christian example you set for > others to follow. My opinions of the war, the President are my own and not to be trotted out for you to use as potential fuel in your propaganda machinations. > > Btw, have you never been misinformed? Or don't you > >watch CNN anymore? > > I never have watched CNN very much at all. I am surprised you can tear > yourself away from FAUX-NEWS, aka FOX-NEWS, long enough to know what > others are saying. The advantage of FOX is that it covers all viewpoints equally, without liberal biases and propagandas. CNN used to, but were taken over by the liberals without firing a shot. > >> We now are approaching the 2,000 mark of dead Americans who all died > >> as a direct result of Bush's lies. All Americans should be ashamed to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > soldiers in arms. I am ashamed of what Bush is forcing them to do and > of them being maimed and killed based on lies. Right. You still haven't figured out who authorized the war, have you? Hint: think legislative branch. > >You do not have the right to not be ashamed nor not be offended. We both > >have the right to be offensive and to shame others. > > That makes about as much sense as many of the idiocies that Bush, > Cheney and Rove spout. It makes more sense than what you wrote. It's from the "Bill of Non-Rights", the thorn in the liberal agenda's tire > >> God loves you and so do I. Live with it. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > GOD NEVER WROTE ANY BOOK!!! > NONE!!! He inspired it, just as a mountain meadow can inspire a painter to paint, a child playing can inspire a author to write, or a crash of a wave can inspire a poet to dream. Yes, others wrote it for Him . . .call it Holy Ghost writing if you wish. > When I talked to Her this morning she asked me to continue including > you and your misguided brethren in my prayers. She told me to remain > steadfast in my understanding and tolerance of those that are willing > to hate others for their way of seeking Her guidance and blessings. Then she lied to you. If Satan can appear as an angel of light, why couldn't he appear to you as a woman? > >Budd > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > patriot and a Christian. That proves you to be a prevaricator of the > worse kind. Pathetic! It matters to me, but I can't bring them back, nor can you. They died as soldiers of the U.S., with honor. Maybe you should ask some of their compatriots' opinions of the war before you slam Pres. Bush. I asked my son while in the Navy some months after 9/11, if a poll had been taken aboard ship when 9/11 happened. He said that when the Dixie Chicks country western group slammed President Bush and the War for Iraqi Freedom, the sailors on the Harry S. Truman, that had their CD's, found novel ways to destroy them: catapulted off the bow, toasted in F-18 exhaust, taped them to the deck where the planes touched down, used for skeet shooting, etc. That showed about 3000 voices contrary to your voice. In a democracy, numbers count. > A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Forget to pay your light bill? This comment of yours is not applicable. You are not sharing knowledge, just propaganda. The difference? "Knowledge" is available without animosity or political intent, "Propaganda" is nothing but political intentions, usually negative. You have a right to your opinion and to have a wrong opinion. You do not have the right to make me give you my opinion, and I have the right to not give it and to be offended by your commentaries about my not giving my opinion, which I am. BTW, Chuck, what POSITIVE thing have you offered to end the war? > Love is giving all with no conditions. > Love is expecting nothing in return. Too bad you don't understand this as well as you think you do. > Bud you and I can continue to flame one another or we can choose to > show our love of God by giving it freely to each other. Your choice my > brother. No, Chuck, it's always been your choice. The only problem I have with you is your bigotry towards Christianity and Christians that don't roll over and play dead when you tell them to. That's where you fail in your understanding of the definition of unconditional love. Maybe that why I'm such a pain in your backside. You've repeatedly proved your lack understanding unconditional love by your assaults on me for my beliefs. My belief that a book was inspired to be written by an omnipotent God, who could create a Universe in six days, appear as a man if He desired, could speak from a burning bush that did not burn up, could be born of a virgin girl and take a fleshly body to be the sacrifice for my sins because He was the AUTHOR OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, then rise three days later from the grave to give me the hope of an Eternal Life with Him. And why the male gender? Because in the languages of the people He chose to care for as His own, all their names for Him are male gendered; Elohim: ( Male gender) The Three-In-One God), JHVH: God Eternal, Abba: (slang) Father, or more precisely, Daddy, Eloi: Father. All my other beliefs hinge on that. To be my spiritual brother, one must believe in the God I believe in and what He taught thru His disciples, Prophets, and People, the Israelites. If you want to call me "your brother" then be my guest, just don't expect me to believe the same because you say it. Oh, btw, the God of Abraham and Israel hasn't spoken directly to anyone for 2000 years, so you believe in a different god than I. Understand now? Budd WARNING TO ALL CASUAL READERS: THIS IS EXTREMELY LONG. >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message <snip> >> There isn't a think wrong with my memory. Why is it you now come back >> in with flames flying? Can you not accept the love of a brother >> diabetic? > >Where or when have you ever not given me reason to not defend myself and my >beliefs? You slam Christianity, you slam me. How can that be when you are so filled with hatred rather than the unconditional love of Jesus Christ? I do not slam you, as you put it. I disagree very strongly with your view of religion. Any religion - any - that is fear based has very little to do with God's love of us all. >You are a fellow diabetic. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >No, but your untruths do. Untruths? You haven't shown any. Look - I have no wish to argue with you. Why can't we just share what we do to control our diabetes and be done with it? >> >> >And now to find you writing this . . .you still haven't changed at >all, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >You percierve bigotry because you are blinded by your own. No, I am not blinded by my bigotry at all. I very definitely am bigoted against any religion that is based in fear. God is not something to be feared. God is unconditional love and would never do anything to punish any of us. We do a very good job of that all by ourselves. Perhaps you might benefit by something I love to read every day: FOOTPRINTS One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the LORD. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, and the other to the LORD. When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the LORD about it: "LORD, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life, there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me." The LORD replied: "My son, my precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you." written by Mary Stevenson >> >> I have found you many times to be quite similar to my third son. That >> >> is, I love Joe as a son, but quite often can't stand his behavior [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Ah, denial of responsibility. Funny, your attitude towards me is quite >similar to what you see and dislike in your son. Wrong again. My son, like his mother, feels the world is out to get him and owes him a living. He will take anything he can by whatever means possible with no regard to whether his actions hurt someone else or not. He persuaded us to co sign two loans so he and his first wife could buy a mobile home. When he defaulted on those loans we had to pay them. Then when he took bankruptcy he included us on the list of people he owed so now believes he is under no obligation to repay us. His actions had a very detrimental effect on our credit rating. You say I dislike my son. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love him. I detest what he has done and hope some day he will admit he has harmed us and make restitution. I have told him a number of times that for every dollar he pays us I will subtract three from his debt. I say his behavior is like his mothers because she is envious of anyone who has things she doesn't, even her own children, regardless of how hard they have worked to get where they are. A number of times she has persuaded people to sell her things and then never paid for them and has only gotten angry when they asked for payment. I don't really see you as ever doing any of those things. I see you as being an honest kind hearted man who always pays his debts and is gracious to those he owes. I am sure if you and I knew each other on a personal level you would treat me with the respect I deserve. However, online you can let the evil side come through with no fear of embarrassment or of public ridicule. Is that the Christian way? >> >> >.quite the coward. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Methinks you self denial of responsibility is still running rampant. And, as usual, you are wrong. I love you my brother. If I were a coward, as you claim, I would not admit that. Instead I would retaliate in kind for your hurtful words. >> >> Actually, I am happy to see you posting again. I do hope this time you >> >> will bless us with your experience, strength and hope rather than [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >sacrifice for my sins than to parrot the secular world's lies, deceptions >and evil. GOD NEVER WROTE A BOOK OR ANYTHING ELSE. GOD DOES NOT OWN A PRINTING PRESS AND HAS NO NEED OF ONE. GOD IS IN ALL THINGS, ALL AROUND US, AND SPEAKS TO EACH OF US EVERY SINGLE DAY IF WE WILL ONLY LISTEN WITH AN OPEN HEART. The Bible is a book written by men - mostly Roman Catholic Monks - with an agenda to control the masses. It is a combination of a very slanted view of history in a very small part of the world and a group of legends and superstitious writings. Many religious sects at the time had stories of virgin births and of resurrections from the dead. They just didn't happen to convince a Roman Emperor to adopt them as his religion and thus be forced on the masses. >> > That's what you are asking >> >of me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Wrong, Chuck. I have never asked you to put down any book that supports your >beliefs, though I have refused to read them. Refused because you fear you might find some truth in them. I have read your Bible from cover to cover and found it wanting, contradictory and false. > In that we have agreed, since >YOU refuse to read the Bible. I have read your Bible from cover to cover and found it wanting, contradictory and false. > And, although I have on occasion asked you to >not quote from them, you continue to do so. Show me one quote from those books in this thread. > OTOH, if I quote Scripture, you >come completely unglued, DEMANDING THAT I STOP, ASSAULTING MY BELIEFS, >CASTING ASPERSIONS ON MY SANITY AND INTELLIGENCE. You proselytize. Quote all you want. That does not mean I will read them. >Now who's being the bigot again??? Don't point your finger at me, there are >three digits pointing back at yourself. What happened to the thumb? Were you born an a.shole or did you have to study to become one? I come at you with open hands and love and you do nothing but flame and insult me. Is that the way your mother taught you to treat others? It certainly is not he way Jesus taught he followers. What kind of Christian teats others with such hatred? >> >> BTW, do you still believe Bush to be a good Christian and honest man >> >> in light of all of his proven lies and uncaring behavior over the past [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >My opinions of the war, the President are my own and not to be trotted out >for you to use as potential fuel in your propaganda machinations. So you are that ashamed that you backed the son of a bitch? >> > Btw, have you never been misinformed? Or don't you >> >watch CNN anymore? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >The advantage of FOX is that it covers all viewpoints equally, without >liberal biases and propagandas. ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY a.s OFF. You are a bald face liar to even have the gall to type out such a falsehood. FOX is completely biased in everything they put out over the air. If it isn't approved by Rupert Murdoch and company it doesn't go out. > CNN used to, but were taken over by the >liberals without firing a shot. Liberals - true liberals - have very little voice in the mass media. It is for the most part completely controlled by Bush supporting quasi conservative Republicans. Just look at who owns them and who they contribute to. >> >> We now are approaching the 2,000 mark of dead Americans who all died >> >> as a direct result of Bush's lies. All Americans should be ashamed to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Right. You still haven't figured out who authorized the war, have you? Hint: >think legislative branch. Because they bought into the Rove line of bullshit laid out by Bush, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Cheney and others. You can believe that I have held my senators and representatives' feet to the fire hundreds of times for their being so gullible. They didn't even have the balls to declare war on Iraq. However, it was and is Bush's responsibility from beginning till now with no end in sight. Those three factions have been at war since before the Bible was written and Bush is so damned stupid that he thinks we can change it by killing a bunch of them. RIDICULOUS to the point of being absurd! >> >You do not have the right to not be ashamed nor not be offended. We both >> >have the right to be offensive and to shame others. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >It makes more sense than what you wrote. It's from the "Bill of Non-Rights", >the thorn in the liberal agenda's tire sh.t! Bush, Cheney and Rove are doing everything in their power to gut the Bill of Rights except for the Amendments they like. Uh, what is the "liberal agenda's tire"? For that matter, what is the imagined "liberal agenda"? I haven't seen one. I, as an individual, favor a national health care cradle to grave program similar to Sweden's. However, I haven't seen that in any writings. I see nothing in the newspaper about any formal Liberal Party. I certainly have not seen anything like that from the Democratic Party. I get as much propaganda from the Republicans as I do from the Democrats, which thankfully is very little. I have enough crap to put in our recycling bin without ever opening it as it is. >> >> God loves you and so do I. Live with it. >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >child playing can inspire a author to write, or a crash of a wave can >inspire a poet to dream. And so have many, many other such things been inspired by one person or another's view of God's beauty and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. After all God lives in everything and every being equally. God lives in the lowly cockroach as much as She does in you and I. >Yes, others wrote it for Him . . .call it Holy Ghost writing if you wish. I don't. God has never told anyone to write down anything including the Ten Commandments. >> When I talked to Her this morning she asked me to continue including >> you and your misguided brethren in my prayers. She told me to remain >> steadfast in my understanding and tolerance of those that are willing >> to hate others for their way of seeking Her guidance and blessings. > >Then she lied to you. God does not lie. EVER. > If Satan can appear as an angel of light, why couldn't >he appear to you as a woman? There is no Satan except the in hearts of certain men and women. So if you see Satan then it exists in your heart. God does not allow such a being to exist except in one's own mind. >> >Budd >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >It matters to me, but I can't bring them back, nor can you. But by opposing the war I along with many others of a like mind may be able to shorten it and save the lives of others as we did to end the Vietnam War. It wasn't until those of us opposed to that war became vocal enough to be heard that the US powers decided enough was enough. > They died as >soldiers of the U.S., with honor. And if you read my sigline then you know I post it with the upmost respect for what they sacrificed. > Maybe you should ask some of their >compatriots' opinions of the war before you slam Pres. Bush. They don't dare. They would not fight if they didn't believe the constant brainwashing the military spoon feeds them every day. > I asked my son >while in the Navy some months after 9/11, if a poll had been taken aboard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >where the planes touched down, used for skeet shooting, etc. That showed >about 3000 voices contrary to your voice. In other words what you just said is they did not believe the Dixie Chicks has right to the freedom of speech they have sworn to protect. What they did is also a protected right. So what is your point? Oh. That's right. You don't think anyone should ever object to the President's actions. That is called censorship and is common under dictatorial governments. Is that what you want - so long as it includes YOUR brand of hate filled Christianity? >In a democracy, numbers count. NEWS FLASH! THE UNITED IN NOT NOW NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN A DEMOCRACY. We are a republic with a representative government. You had best thank your lucky stars that we are not a true democracy. You do know how a true democracy would work don't you? No minority would have any rights unless the majority out of some altruism gave it to them. This country would be totally controlled by large metropolitan areas such as NYC and LA and small population states like Utah, where you live, and Iowa, where I live would be totally dependant on them. >> A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. > >Forget to pay your light bill? This comment of yours is not applicable. You >are not sharing knowledge, just propaganda. The difference? "Knowledge" is >available without animosity or political intent, "Propaganda" is nothing but >political intentions, usually negative. More flames and lack of understanding. Pathetic. >You have a right to your opinion and to have a wrong opinion. In your eyes only. > You do not >have the right to make me give you my opinion, and I have the right to not >give it and to be offended by your commentaries about my not giving my >opinion, which I am. But I do have the right to ask of it. If you are offended by my doing so then you should not bait someone to do so. Why should you be offended if I point out that rather than telling us how you as an individual feel you have to parrot what you have been brainwashed by your religion to say? >BTW, Chuck, what POSITIVE thing have you offered to end the war? Many letter to my elected officials for one. I have done other things that, as you like to say, are none of your business. >> Love is giving all with no conditions. >> Love is expecting nothing in return. > >Too bad you don't understand this as well as you think you do. I freely give you love. I expect nothing in return. That's a damned good thing too considering your insults, flames and hatred you throw at me. You come back in finally after all these months for only one purpose - to pick a fight with me. You are so f.cking pathetic and laughable. I have to love you because you show time after time how much you need that love. >> Bud you and I can continue to flame one another or we can choose to >> show our love of God by giving it freely to each other. Your choice my >> brother. > >No, Chuck, it's always been your choice. I beg your pardon. You came in with both guns blazing and it is my choice. BULLSHIT! > The only problem I have with you is >your bigotry towards Christianity and Christians that don't roll over and >play dead when you tell them to. I have many friends and relatives who are Christian. Most of them - not all - practice the love that Jesus taught. >That's where you fail in your understanding >of the definition of unconditional love. To quote your religion, "Love the sinner. Hate the sin." I can and do love you, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of your hate and acid filled remarks. > Maybe that why I'm such a pain in >your backside. You see that is another example of one of your erroneous assumptions. You are not a pain in my backside at all. I pity you and pray for you every night. >You've repeatedly proved your lack understanding >unconditional love by your assaults on me for my beliefs. You have steadfastly refused to give your beliefs. Instead you repeat what you believe the Bible says. >My belief that a book was inspired to be written by an omnipotent God, who >could create a Universe in six days, appear as a man if He desired, could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Three-In-One God), JHVH: God Eternal, Abba: (slang) Father, or more >precisely, Daddy, Eloi: Father. You have ever right to believe all of what you just wrote. I respect that right. To me in this age I find it to be as superstitious as believing in the tooth fairy, but that is my belief which fortunately in this country I still have right to. >All my other beliefs hinge on that. To be my spiritual brother, one must >believe in the God I believe in and what He taught thru His disciples, >Prophets, and People, the Israelites. If you want to call me "your brother" >then be my guest, just don't expect me to believe the same because you say >it. What a terrible and hateful thing to say to anyone!!!! We are all brothers and sisters under God's love. There is only one God. God does not care what you call Her/Him/It nor whether we worship or not. How does it feel to believe you are in a religion that hates all non believers and that God will condemn you, his most precious creation, to an eternity of damnation if you don't tow the line just so? Fear based religions have cost the lives of millions and millions of people down through the ages and continue to in Iraq and other countries today. >Oh, btw, the God of Abraham and Israel hasn't spoken directly to anyone for >2000 years, so you believe in a different god than I. Understand now? No. I find that statement to be totally false. Why would God freely speak to people and then suddenly shut up? Ridiculous. God communicates with everyone every single day if we will but listen. I feel sorry for people who have such a closed mind that they refuse to hear God's song. If these dissertations must be so long we need to take them to email. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 15, 2005 is 1975. FIVE MORE DEATHS ADDED TODAY!!! WHEN WILL IT EVER END. BUSH HAS PUT US IN ANOTHER VIETNAM OR WORSE. 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Sorry Chuck and Budd, but I'm killing the threads. May they rest in peace. I hope both of you have a nice day. :-) -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message I sincerely apologize to the group and hope everyone else does too. If Budd wants to discuss such things we can do it via email rather than in a public forum. >Sorry Chuck and Budd, but I'm killing the threads. May they rest in >peace. I hope both of you have a nice day. :-) -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. THANK YOU Susan > I sincerely apologize to the group and hope everyone else does too. If > Budd wants to discuss such things we can do it via email rather than [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > >I sincerely apologize to the group and hope everyone else does too. If > Budd wants to discuss such things we can do it via email rather than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -ô¿ô- > ~ Well done, Chuck! SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. > > Love is giving all with no conditions. > Love is expecting nothing in return. Then Chuck, I suggest you remember that the next time you choose to deride Christianity. Budd > I sincerely apologize to the group and hope everyone else does too. If > Budd wants to discuss such things we can do it via email rather than [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Love is giving all with no conditions. > Love is expecting nothing in return. >Then Chuck, I suggest you remember that the next time you choose to deride >Christianity. > >Budd In point of fact, I did not "deride Christianity" on the whole - just you hate filled interpretation of it. If you wish to communicate with my further please have the courtesy to others here by taking it to email. Quit being such a cry baby and grow up. Let's see what the word Christian means and how many of those describe you. >Chris·tian Audio pronunciation of "Christian" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn) >adj. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents. > 5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane. How many describe Budd's behavior in ASD? NOT A SINGLE ONE. Grow up old man. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. Love is giving all with no conditions. Love is expecting nothing in return. > >Then Chuck, I suggest you remember that the next time you choose to deride > >Christianity. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In point of fact, I did not "deride Christianity" on the whole - just > you hate filled interpretation of it. No, you are the one that says Christian hatred and bigotry is the cause of the ills of the world, Chuck. I just take issue with your claims. > If you wish to communicate with my further please have the courtesy to > others here by taking it to email. Nope. You bad mouth me or my faith here, and here is where I'll reply. > Quit being such a cry baby and grow up. Oh, oh, I stepped on widdle Chuckie's toes. > How many describe Budd's behavior in ASD? > NOT A SINGLE ONE. If you would read the Bible, then you would see that I am following the Word of God in it's entirety, and not just some unsubstantiated definition you possibly fabricated. I can, according to the Bible, defend my beliefs and the Scriptures. Nothing in the Bible says Im have to tolerate abuse. Turn the other cheek? I have, till I've run out of cheeks. We both have the right to offend others and do not have the right to not be offended. We both can chose to ignore the other, killfile the other, or respond. You make your choice and I make mine on this threads. Chuck, I never make these comments or replies until someone, usually one of those bragging about their tolerance of others like yourself, decides to slam me, or my faith. Without those slams, I have no need to respond, do I? Will I mention something from the Bible in future posts and replies? Yes, undoubtably. It who I am and what I believe and if I have a quote that might help another, then why is it worse than a quote from anyone else's book? I have the right to quote it without derision the same as you from any book you choose to quote and have. I also, as you've done from various books you read, correct errors about what is said in the Bible. But you've always jumped my case about it because you don't accept the Bible. Sorry, but that opinion does not give you the right to slam me or my faith. Who needs to grow up, Chuck? You. Because you can't do that which you demand of others and that which you brag that you do. It's funny how so often, those that brag on their tolerance have the most biases. Budd Why, oh why will you not take this to email???? >> >Then Chuck, I suggest you remember that the next time you choose to >deride [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >No, you are the one that says Christian hatred and bigotry is the cause of >the ills of the world, Chuck. No, I said that ALL ORAGANIZED RELIGIONS' hatred and bigotry is the cause of MANY - not all - of the ills of the world. Don't twist what I said to suit your mistaken opinion of me. >I just take issue with your claims. I wish that were true. If you only took issue with that claim you and I could get along quite well while disagreeing on that one point. >> If you wish to communicate with my further please have the courtesy to >> others here by taking it to email. > >Nope. You bad mouth me or my faith here, and here is where I'll reply. For God's sake grow up man! >> Quit being such a cry baby and grow up. > >Oh, oh, I stepped on widdle Chuckie's toes. Not even if you tried, but now I see you are talking baby talk which suits your behavior completely. Grow up old man. >> How many describe Budd's behavior in ASD? >> NOT A SINGLE ONE. > >If you would read the Bible, then you would see that I am following the Word >of God in it's entirety, Read it again and then tell me now any of it fits your bahamian here: |Chris·tian Audio pronunciation of "Christian" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn) |adj. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | 1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus. | 2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus. <usual rantings snipped> >Chuck, I never make these comments or replies until someone, usually one of >those bragging about their tolerance of others like yourself, decides to >slam me, or my faith. Without those slams, I have no need to respond, do I? Slam you? Me? What are you talking about? You are quite paranoid and delusional. >Will I mention something from the Bible in future posts and replies? Yes, >undoubtably. Good. I man mention writing from other books written by men and women. Too bad the bible was only written by men. Do you know there were books written by women that the Pope decided to leave out? >It who I am and what I believe and if I have a quote that might >help another, then why is it worse than a quote from anyone else's book? It is not unless you say something like, "You must believe this or perish for all eternity." Then it is hateful bigotry of the worst kind. > I >have the right to quote it without derision the same as you from any book >you choose to quote and have. I also, as you've done from various books you >read, correct errors about what is said in the Bible. Are there not a number of versions of the bible? How then can you possibly say one is right and the others are wrong? All are open to interpretation by the readers. >But you've always jumped my case about it because you don't accept the >Bible. Sorry, but that opinion does not give you the right to slam me or my >faith. You do not fit any of the descriptions of a Christian listed on http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Christian What then is your faith? It certainly is not Christian regardless of what you call it. >Who needs to grow up, Chuck? You. I am mature enough to admit that I don't know it all and that no one else does either and mature enough to know that God never wrote a single line in any book. > Because you can't do that which you demand >of others and that which you brag that you do. It's funny how so often, >those that brag on their tolerance have the most biases. My bias, my brother, is your childish name calling hateful bigoted behavior toward me. When was the last time you posted anything that might be helpful to another diabetic. Sure you posted as very short and foolish one this morning after me chiding you to do so. "Foolish?" You bet! Telling people to test only twice a day. Know what? My doctor advised me to do the same thing. To which I asked him, "Do you think my A1c tests have been good for the last several time?" He said they have and to keep up what I have been doing. Then I told him the only reason they are is because I have learned to test anywhere from two to six times daily and to test after meals, not just before meals as he had told me to do. Any diabetic who wants good control is fooling themselves if they only test twice a day and then just their FBG, before meals and at bedtime. They will never know what happens after they eat. Now - either cut the religious bullshit or take it to email. Did you get the email I sent you yesterday? >Budd SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 15, 2005 is 1976. SIX MORE DEATHS ADDED TO THE US KILLED AND ONE MORE FOR THE U.K. WHEN WILL IT EVER END? BUSH HAS PUT US IN ANOTHER VIETNAM OR WORSE. 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Because you started it here. Would you go to an opponents house for a fight that started in the street downtown? > Why, oh why will you not take this to email???? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cause of MANY - not all - of the ills of the world. Don't twist what I > said to suit your mistaken opinion of me. Your primary target is Christianity, as you've often stated. > >I just take issue with your claims. > > I wish that were true. If you only took issue with that claim you and > I could get along quite well while disagreeing on that one point. Nope. > >> If you wish to communicate with my further please have the courtesy to > >> others here by taking it to email. > > > >Nope. You bad mouth me or my faith here, and here is where I'll reply. > > For God's sake grow up man! Take your own advice. > >> Quit being such a cry baby and grow up. > > > >Oh, oh, I stepped on widdle Chuckie's toes. > > Not even if you tried, but now I see you are talking baby talk which > suits your behavior completely. I didn't want you to not understand. > Grow up old man. > >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > What are you talking about? > You are quite paranoid and delusional. <LOL> That would be you. > >Will I mention something from the Bible in future posts and replies? Yes, > >undoubtably. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bad the bible was only written by men. Do you know there were books > written by women that the Pope decided to leave out? I know there are non-canonical books out there that were agreed to be left out. And the Bible was inspired by God, btw. You can do that if you're omnipotent. > >It who I am and what I believe and if I have a quote that might > >help another, then why is it worse than a quote from anyone else's book? > > It is not unless you say something like, "You must believe this or > perish for all eternity." Then it is hateful bigotry of the worst > kind. No, it's what the Bible says, read it for yourself. > > I > >have the right to quote it without derision the same as you from any book [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > possibly say one is right and the others are wrong? All are open to > interpretation by the readers. Only the King James version is verified to be the most accurate. > >But you've always jumped my case about it because you don't accept the > >Bible. Sorry, but that opinion does not give you the right to slam me or my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What then is your faith? It certainly is not Christian regardless of > what you call it. So? Where is it written I must conform to their definition? > >Who needs to grow up, Chuck? You. > > I am mature enough to admit that I don't know it all and that no one > else does either and mature enough to know that God never wrote a > single line in any book. Then you say that no god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, or holy? > > Because you can't do that which you demand > >of others and that which you brag that you do. It's funny how so often, > >those that brag on their tolerance have the most biases. > > My bias, my brother, is your childish name calling hateful bigoted > behavior toward me. I am not the foull-mouth one casting aspersions on anyones ancestry. > When was the last time you posted anything that might be helpful to > another diabetic. Sure you posted as very short and foolish one this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and to test after meals, not just before meals as he had told me to > do. Today. And what works for you, doesn't have to apply to me. My last A1c was 6.4 last week. > Any diabetic who wants good control is fooling themselves if they only > test twice a day and then just their FBG, before meals and at bedtime. > They will never know what happens after they eat. Right. So everyone has to be just like Old Chuck to be acceptable, huh? > Now - either cut the religious bullshit or take it to email. > Did you get the email I sent you yesterday? Nope, you're still filtered at the server. I told you before I don't wish to talk to you. Now you cut the assaults on me and my faith and we won't need to say anything more at all. Budd >Because you started it here. I started nothing. You are just either so conceited or paranoid that you figured I absolutely had to be talking about you. >Would you go to an opponents house for a fight that started in the street >downtown? I wouldn't fight with someone like you at all. It would be a useless exercise. Would I take an argument to private email rather than putting it up where it pollutes the newsgroup? Bet on it. >> Why, oh why will you not take this to email???? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Your primary target is Christianity, as you've often stated. Prove it. Liar. >> >I just take issue with your claims. >> >> I wish that were true. If you only took issue with that claim you and >> I could get along quite well while disagreeing on that one point. > >Nope. See, you can't even do what you proposed. You really are an a.shole, aren't you? We all know what comes out of an a.shole. >> >> If you wish to communicate with my further please have the courtesy to >> >> others here by taking it to email. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Take your own advice. The only thing correct in that is that I am foolish enough to answer your rantings which are mostly lies. >> >> Quit being such a cry baby and grow up. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I didn't want you to not understand. Oh I understand completely that you are so juvenile that you no doubt have an emotional age younger than our 21 year old granddaughter who has an emotional age of a 12 year old. At least she has verifiable medical reasons. What's your excuse? >> Grow up old man. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > ><LOL> That would be you. I have nothing to be paranoid nor delusional about. I know when you are talking to or about me. You assumed I was talking about you with absolutely nothing to go on. What a huge ego you have. Of course it's full of nothing but hot air, but still it is huge. >> >Will I mention something from the Bible in future posts and replies? Yes, >> >undoubtably. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >out. And the Bible was inspired by God, btw. You can do that if you're >omnipotent. Many books were inspired by what the writer thought God wanted them to record. God never wrote a single word in any book. Not one. God doesn't need to. God doesn't need or want anyone to worship Him. God does not need any formal religious beliefs. She loves us all equally without restrictions of any kind. It is unconditional love. Why is it you can't get your head around that concept? Oh, wait. I know. That would mean that you actually are NOT any better than every other living thing in the entire Universe and you just couldn't accept that. >> >It who I am and what I believe and if I have a quote that might >> >help another, then why is it worse than a quote from anyone else's book? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >No, it's what the Bible says, read it for yourself. I have. I now have it on audio and may listen to it after I finish the Harry Potter series. >> > I >> >have the right to quote it without derision the same as you from any book [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Only the King James version is verified to be the most accurate. BULLSHIT!! The Roman Catholic Bible is much older and more likely to be the closest to the original Greek translation. It is common knowledge that King James dictated what could and could not be included because he couldn't accept some what was in the Roman Catholic Bible. I guess that means that today you can write your own Bible and call it the Budd Cochran Bible and expect everyone to accept it and throw out their old ones. ALL HALE THE GREAT BUDD. FOR HE MAY BE THE SECOND COMING. THIS BUDDS FOR YOU. >> >But you've always jumped my case about it because you don't accept the >> >Bible. Sorry, but that opinion does not give you the right to slam me or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >So? Where is it written I must conform to their definition? Nowhere, unless you expect others to believe you really are a Christian. But of course we all know you are not. You are a hate filled bigot and Jesus Christ taught love - not hatred. >> >Who needs to grow up, Chuck? You. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Then you say that no god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, or holy? There is only one God and She is everything. She is everything and nothing at the same time. If you weren't afraid to read "Conversations With God" you would already know that. So you believe that God is omnipotent. Good. That means you believe that God is directly responsible for all things, be they good or evil. About time you admitted the truth. >> > Because you can't do that which you demand >> >of others and that which you brag that you do. It's funny how so often, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I am not the foull-mouth one casting aspersions on anyones ancestry. I apologized for calling you a bastard. I should have just called you the sh.t spewing a.shole that you are. Sorry. As I said, I don't believe any child is a bastard. It was just a poor choice of words. There was nothing foul-mouthed about it. It is a common English word. >> When was the last time you posted anything that might be helpful to >> another diabetic. Sure you posted as very short and foolish one this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Today. And what works for you, doesn't have to apply to me. My last A1c was >6.4 last week. Still higher than what they want us to have today. >> Any diabetic who wants good control is fooling themselves if they only >> test twice a day and then just their FBG, before meals and at bedtime. >> They will never know what happens after they eat. > >Right. So everyone has to be just like Old Chuck to be acceptable, huh? Not at all. If someone wants close control they need to test at many different times of the day and hopefully more than just twice. If they don't care they can do like many diabetics I know who almost never test. >> Now - either cut the religious bullshit or take it to email. >> Did you get the email I sent you yesterday? > >Nope, you're still filtered at the server. I told you before I don't wish to >talk to you. So now you are self-described coward too. If you don't think you have an audience you can't defend yourself. I had a foreman like you. One on one he was just fine. Give him an audience and he instantly became an a.shole who would insult anyone on his crew in front of the public in the mistaken belief it made him look like a good foreman. All it really showed what a low life son of bitch he really was. Everyone celebrated when he retired. >Now you cut the assaults on me and my faith and we won't need to say >anything more at all. And will you stop your assaults on me and my beliefs? Why would I believe you if you answer yes? Try it and we will see what happens. Of course you won't be getting the attention you are now and your ego may suffer. >Budd ALL HALE THE GREAT BUDD. FOR HE MAY BE THE SECOND COMING. THIS BUDDS FOR YOU. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Oct 15, 2005 is 1976. SIX MORE DEATHS ADDED TO THE US KILLED AND ONE MORE FOR THE U.K. WHEN WILL IT EVER END? BUSH HAS PUT US IN ANOTHER VIETNAM OR WORSE. Each star represents one person killed. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,000 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** 1,500 ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************** 1,976 United Kingdom = 97 ************************************************** ********************************************* Other = 102 ************************************************** ************************************************** ** Iraqi civilian deaths are between 24,000 and 100,000 by all estimates. |
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