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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2005High-Carb, Vegan Diet Causes Major Weight Loss
Ok here is the next one : http://www.pcrm.org/news/release050909.html New Study Shows High-Carb, Vegan Diet Causes Major Weight Loss Even with No Calorie-Cutting or Exercise, Diet is More Effective Than a Typical Low-Fat Diet WASHINGTON-A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at Georgetown University Hospital and George Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines. "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan." Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less. For a copy of the new paper published in The American Journal of Medicine, please contact Jeanne S. McVey at 202-686-2210, ext. 316, or jeannem@pcrm.org. Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research. Who cares.... We need more wiskey Or was it exersise... uhhh Maybe tomorrow Gys >Ok >here is the next one : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Even with No Calorie-Cutting or Exercise, Diet is More Effective Than a Typical >Low-Fat Diet Hi Gys Apart from the BG implications of high carb for diabetes it's worth-while to be aware of the possible bias in this paper. When reading anything published by Dr Barnard, it's worth researching the author and his organisation as well as the article. That doesn't mean that he is necessarily wrong, but I'm fairly skeptical. He heads the "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine". It's basic philosophy is vegetarian/vegan and anti-low-carb. Web-site here: http://www.pcrm.org/index.html His bio is here: http://www.nealbarnard.org/pubs.htm And Wilkipedia's article on the organisation is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine Note particularly this section in the Wilkipedia article: "PCRM may be best known for its opposition to low-carb diets. The organization runs a website that collects reports of adverse health effects experienced by people on these popular weight-loss plans. PCRM also argues that consuming dairy products is unhealthful and advocates for improving the food served in school lunchrooms. In addition, PCRM runs The Cancer Project, a program for cancer prevention, research, and nutritional assistance to cancer patients. PCRM's Research Department promotes alternatives to the use of animals in education and research. The organization's official position paper on animal experimentation argues that the scientific and medical communities must move decisively to replace animals: "The exploration and implementation of nonanimal methods should be a priority for investigators and research institutions and should take advantage of a wide variety of viewpoints to ensure progress toward scientific, human health, and animal protection goals." The organization's nutrition director, Amy Lanou, Ph.D., has frequently criticized the U.S. Department of Agriculture for promoting allegedly unhealthful foods, including cookies and cheese. PCRM has been criticized by the American Medical Association for misrepresenting facts about animal research and for advocating vegetarianism. However, in a statement issued on February 10 of 2004, the AMA retracted its critical comments about PCRM's dietary recommendations. The AMA published one of Dr. Barnard's research articles in the Archives of Family Medicine in 1995 and has used various PCRM physicians as quotable experts in American Medical News. PCRM's founder, Dr. Neal Barnard, is a psychiatrist by training, not a nutritionist. However, Dr. Barnard has published dozens of peer-reviewed scientific papers on nutritional topics in such leading journals as The American Journal of Cardiology and the Journal of the American Dietetic Association." Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. You left out that PCRM is an arm of PETA. Jennifer >>Ok >>here is the next one : [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. >You left out that PCRM is an arm of PETA. > >Jennifer I forgot - my incipient early Alzheimner's:-) Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. So what you are saying is these fat broads DIDN'T lose the weight .. ? Is that what you are saying .. office .. boy .. ? Are you saying .. hinting .. inuendoing .. they .. SKEWED .. the 'weighing in' .. ? Is that what you are hinting .. at .. ? On a list with EVERYONE .. almost EVERYONE .. dying due to weight problems .. YOU .. smart off about how you believe they may .. SKEW .. results .. ? FO .. office boy .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >So what you are saying is these fat broads DIDN'T lose the weight .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Who loves ya. >Tom Geez Tom - I feel honoured - you spoke to me. After all this time. Wow. Impressive. I must admit, since you're in my kill-file, you may have chatted earlier and I missed it. I just happened to notice this one because it was a direct reply. So how are you, mate? Have you moved in with your phlebotomist - it would certainly save on the daily iron-reducing blood draws. Is she sexy? Does she have pointy teeth? Do you get excited when she sucks the blood out, ever so slo.o.o.o.o.owly? Does she go to the Blood bank to make withdrawals? How well are your pet leeches growing? Just to bring you up to date, I haven't worked in an office since I left to drive cabs in 1984 - sorry, I tell a lie - I ran the cab company for a while, so I did work in an office then. But I decided that the suit required a tie, and the tie is an instrument of torture designed to punish males by an early feminist activist, so I went back to driving cabs. But I forgot - some guys enjoy being punished; sorry Tom, to each his own, didn't mean to denigrate your lifestyle. So, again mate, how are you? I'm concerned for you - with all that iron in your blood make sure you stay away from strong magnetic fields, who knows how that may scramble your insides. Don't sit in front of that monitor for too long - very high EHT for those old screens - make sure you leave the room if you need to de-gauss. Have fun (yeah, it's a slow day and the cricket was rained out:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. snip watchtroll's garbage > >Who loves ya. > >Tom [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > -- > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Ya know, Alan, watchtroll keeps the leeches around just in case he ever needs vascular surgery. He figures it's cleaner than the ones raised for medical use that come from Britain. Unfortunately when he tried to use a couple of them for bloodletting they accidentally sucked out his brain. Then they died of starvation. Vicki You still didn't answer the question .. greaseball .. You are saying .. PCRM .. skewed with the research .. THAT .. is .. what you ARE .. saying .. Is it . not .. ? Yep .. that IS .. what you are saying .. That means .. since you are unable to .. intelligently .. pick the work apart .. you .. slander .. Eh .. Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > You still didn't answer the question .. greaseball .. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Since when is stating facts considered slander? SignatureJJ http://www.myspace.com/tjhammerhead http://www.txmma.com >>Since when is stating facts considered slander? -- JJ << Stating .. facts .. ? They are just too stupid to be able to .. refute the .. findings ..and so they .. counter .. with .. innuendo .. And the innuendo is / was .. the authors are not above .. SKEWING .. research .. to .. FURTHER .. their .. 'agenda' .. Is that NOT .. your .. take . on the .. posts as to the AFFILIATION of PCRM .. with .. PETA .. ? Why else would one .. inject .. the 'information' .. into this .. thread .. "PETA and PCRM would be capable of ANYTHING to further their agenda .. !!" Heh .. heh .. Pick your 'friends' .. cautiously .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Let me try to understand Tom. First I'm office boy? >Is that what you are saying .. office .. boy .. ? <snip> >FO .. office boy .. then I'm greaseball? >You still didn't answer the question .. greaseball .. <snip>> >Who loves ya. But you love me? >Tom > >Jesus Was A Vegetarian! >http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Fish are a vegetable? Luke 24:41-43 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them. >Man Is A Herbivore! >http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore Funny about those pointy teeth at the front. >DEAD PEOPLE WALKING >http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Time you checked the validity of your links Tom. I visited those that worked; I hadn't been for a couple of years. Fascinating stuff - absolutely hilarious:-) Thanks for a bit of comedy to start the day with - I needed a laugh. Back in the killfile again - see you in a couple of years, if they let you have internet access then. Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. There is no nonsense so gross that society will not, at some time, make a doctrine of it and defend it with every weapon of communal stupidity. Robertson Davies This post not CC'd by email On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:52:04 +1000, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>Ok >>here is the next one : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>Even with No Calorie-Cutting or Exercise, Diet is More Effective Than a Typical >>Low-Fat Diet G'day G'day Gys, Alan et al, Notice that the control diet is a typical LOW FAT diet. Low fat diets are notorious for slow weight loss. The vegan diet emphasises fruit, vegetables and whole grains. This is decidedly different from a highly refined grain dominated diet. Put simply as the proportion of vegetables increases and refined grain decreases the glycemic index falls. >Hi Gys > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >worth researching the author and his organisation as well as >the article. Dr Neal Barnard is a man with a mission. abolishing all animal products from the human diet. That includes eggs, milk, cheese etc. IMHO he has absolutely no scruples about hiding his vegan bias if that is what it takes to sell his message. >That doesn't mean that he is necessarily wrong, but I'm >fairly skeptical. > >He heads the "Physicians Committee for Responsible >Medicine". It's basic philosophy is vegetarian/vegan and >anti-low-carb. Take that as fundamentally extreme vegan. Vegetarian is but a step towards the ultimate goal. PCRM are closely associated with PETA. They are reputed to share offices, funding etc. They regard all use of animal products as inhumane. The low carb bias occurs because most versions of low carb include animal products. IMHO it is wise to be skeptical of claims of success with controlling T2 diabetes. Notice that more than half of those on oral hypoglycemic agents had their meds reduced even though the average was still 7.75 mmol/L, 141 mg/dL. http://tinyurl.com/7sznq "Although the sample was intentionally small in accordance with the pilot study design, the 28% mean reduction in fasting serum glucose of the experimental group, from 10.7 to 7.75 mmol/L (195 to 141 mg/dl), was significantly greater than the 12% decrease, from 9.86 to 8.64 mmol/L (179 to 157 mg/dl), for the control group (P < 0.05)" "Of six experimental group subjects on oral hypoglycemic agents, medication use was discontinued in one and reduced in three." Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin So .. another .. "they skewed the research .. and Bernard should have is medical ticket .. pulled .. !!" Heh .. heh .. I kind of expected more from .. Grady .. But .. when push comes to shove .. the pussies .. let us KNOW .. exactly where they .. are .. Heh .. heh .. "they didn't lose weight .. it just LOOKS like they did .. " Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > So .. another .. "they skewed the research .. and Bernard should have > is medical ticket .. pulled .. !!" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Sure they lost weight. They lost lean muscle mass. Notice how they conveniently left out bf%? SignatureJJ http://www.myspace.com/tjhammerhead http://www.txmma.com > This post not CC'd by email > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:52:04 +1000, Alan S [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > simply as the proportion of vegetables increases and refined grain > decreases the glycemic index falls. Hi Quentin , thanks for your comment So you are saying that if this diet works , it works because it lowers the glycemic index ? Or are you saying that the diet only _seems_ to work because the control diet was choosen wrong ? Met a guy who said it was immoral to eat animals He was a veganist I told him that I was a carnivore And that it was immoral to eat vegetables Vegetables don't make war Vegetables don't pollute the environment Vegetables improve the air by using CO2 instead of producing it Vegetables are the only creatures that live on solar energy ; they don't drive hummers There is nothing more peacefull than a vegetable So eat animals Or drink wiskey Or was it exercise ? Maybe tomorrow We will be in Australia for the next solar challenge race Gys >We will be in Australia for the next solar challenge race > >Gys That's only a couple of weeks away - will you get the opportunity to see the East Coast after that run down the centre from Darwin to Adelaide? http://www.wsc.org.au/2005/ Arwe you with yhe Dutch team or one of the others? Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >We will be in Australia for the next solar challenge race > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Arwe you with yhe Dutch team or one of the others? Hi Alan , I'm a big fan of solar energy so a couple of years ago I combined it with a visit to my youngest daughter , her British husband and their two Australian daughters , my grand daughters . In Sydney . Here is a site of the nuna in the Netherlands : http://www.nuonsolarteam.nl/nuna3/engels/home_eng.php I hope for them that they will win the race again. Will do the trip again ; not this year. The good news is that there is a lot less Gys . I will fit much easier in the airplane chair :) so I can smile un-embarressed to the very slim and kind Singapore Airlines girls :) Gys >> >We will be in Australia for the next solar challenge race >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Gys When you plan the trip, try to plan a side trip to the Gold Coast - see you then:-) Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >> >We will be in Australia for the next solar challenge race > >> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > When you plan the trip, try to plan a side trip to the Gold > Coast - see you then:-) Hi Alan , that would be a very nice idea :) Gys This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:16:58 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> wrote: >> >>http://www.pcrm.org/news/release050909.html >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >So you are saying that if this diet works , it works because it lowers the >glycemic index ? G'day G'day Gys, That MIGHT be the reason. There could be lots of reasons why it would do better than the control. We really can't say much until we see the diets actually used in the experiment. At the moment we have a statement that an experiment was performed without links to the details of the experiment. If anyone has a link, please post it. One version of a vegan diet that was successful in lowering cholesterol was cobbled together Polymeal style from items known individually to lower cholesterol. Known as the Portfolio diet it worked better than its sponsors expected. Each of the sponsors tend to emphasis the importance of their product in its success. Here is one from the almond board of California. http://www.portfolioeatingplan.com/p_intro.php Here is another emphasizing soy protein http://www.dietbites.com/article0208.html >Or are you saying that the diet only _seems_ to work because the control diet >was choosen wrong ? Do you remember the Olympic swimmer from the Congo who had never swum in a pool? He was terrible compared with the other Olympic swimmers. Even the poorest performer looked like a winner by comparison. As already mentioned low fat diets are typically notorious for slow weight loss. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > This post not CC'd by email > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:16:58 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > statement that an experiment was performed without links to the > details of the experiment. If anyone has a link, please post it. Yes you are right , as usual :) The link I provided is just a press release in which the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine is mentioned. Here is the abstract : http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TDC-4H3H3D5-D&_user=1 0&_handle=V-WA-A-W-BD-MsSAYVW-UUW-U-AAWEWVUZCW-AAWZYWAVCW-BBDWEUEYC-BD-U&_fmt=su mmary&_coverDate=09%2F30%2F2005&_rdoc=12&_orig=browse&_srch=%23toc%235195%232005 %23998819990%23606135!&_cdi=5195&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion= 0&_userid=10&md5=0251f790e00da634cc459ff282289767 Purpose This study investigated the effect of a low-fat, plant-based diet on body weight, metabolism, and insulin sensitivity, while controlling for exercise in free-living individuals. Subjects and methods In an outpatient setting, 64 overweight, postmenopausal women were randomly assigned to a low-fat, vegan diet or a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines, without energy intake limits, and were asked to maintain exercise unchanged. Dietary intake, body weight and composition, resting metabolic rate, thermic effect of food, and insulin sensitivity were measured at baseline and 14 weeks. Results Mean ± standard deviation intervention-group body weight decreased 5.8 ± 3.2 kg, compared with 3.8 ± 2.8 kg in the control group (P = .012). In a regression model of predictors of weight change, including diet group and changes in energy intake, thermic effect of food, resting metabolic rate, and reported energy expenditure, significant effects were found for diet group (P < .05), thermic effect of food (P < .05), and resting metabolic rate (P < .001). An index of insulin sensitivity increased from 4.6 ± 2.9 to 5.7 ± 3.9 (P = .017) in the intervention group, but the difference between groups was not significant (P = .17). So indeed the results are not very spectacular significant and the control group used the National Cholesterol Education Program diet . Must be low-fat as you guessed or inferred already. Got a new PC , it is not yet working properly . If I get the vpn connection back I can get the full article if you want ( I hope ) . > One version of a vegan diet that was successful in lowering > cholesterol was cobbled together Polymeal style from items known [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > already mentioned low fat diets are typically notorious for slow > weight loss. ok I see your point For your other comments in this thread as : "Dr Neal Barnard is a man with a mission. abolishing all animal products from the human diet. That includes eggs, milk, cheese etc. IMHO he has absolutely no scruples about hiding his vegan bias if that is what it takes to sell his message. " For me I'm not too concerned about someone having a bias or a mission as long as he publishes his findings. For me it is just a fact of life that people will work on things that are interesting for them. I personally know two docters who specialized in a desease because it affected one of their loved ones.Everybody has his own motivation. ok So maybe this article is biased to extreme vegan and low carb. But it is published . Thus others will read it. There will be people who are just curious or have an opposite bias (sponsored by the Beef Company ??) and they will design experiments to negate this publication. That is how science works. That is how we lost flogiston , poly-water , cold nuclear fusion to name a few. The system is not perfect but there is nothing that can stand in its shadow. It got us to the moon and gave us the optical mouse. The egyptians worshipped there gods for 4,000 years. Enough time to invent at least the steam engine. They did not . They just produced pyramids. Now remember to avoid the two most common mouse traps : 1) There is a universal "Truth" 2) Science will reveil it If you want "Truth" than you need a religion , science does not use this concept. The most beatifull defenition I saw is : "Science is the best set of rules , at this point in time , to manipulate the world around us" For me this helped a lot. For me Sir Carl Popper made a lot clear. The bad news is that the philosophy of science is just a part of science so , as you guessed already , there may be an other one next week :( Is the flogiston theory wrong ? Well the question is wrong. The Oxygen theory lets us manipulate the world around us more efficient then the flogiston theory. At this point in time. So don't be even susprised if the flogiston theory returns in the future in some form..... Gys This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:43:38 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> wrote: >The link I provided is just a press release in which the September issue of The >American Journal of Medicine is mentioned. Here is the abstract : [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Mean ± standard deviation intervention-group body weight decreased 5.8 ± 3.2 kg, >compared with 3.8 ± 2.8 kg in the control group (P = .012). G'day G'day Gys, Thank you for the URL for the abstract. To see if the rate of weight loss is impressive or not let's crunch some numbers. Intervention group rate = 5.8 kg/14weeks = 0.41 kg/wk. (about 1 pound per week) Control group rate = 3.8 kg/14weeks = 0.27 kg/wk. (about 2/3 pound per week) Neither figure is spectacular though the intervention group is about 50% than the control group. IMHO what is significant here is that the control group is losing weight at a rate less than most people would expect or perhaps even accept. > In a regression >model of predictors of weight change, including diet group and changes in energy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >intervention group, but the difference between groups was not significant (P = >.17). What is missing from the abstract is the details of the diet. If I understand the phrase "without energy limits correctly" we do know that the participants were free to choose the quantities they ate. No mention of energy intake is included in the analysis of significant factor. From this we are invited to assume, at least for the moment, that there was no significant difference in energy intakes. If the vegan diet included larger quantities of high water, fibre or protein foods which are known to increase satiety then the real cause of increased weight loss could have been decreased calorie intake. >So indeed the results are not very spectacular significant and the control group >used the National Cholesterol Education Program diet . Must be low-fat as you >guessed or inferred already. > >Got a new PC , it is not yet working properly . If I get the vpn connection >back I can get the full article if you want ( I hope ) . I like to learn from every experiment regardless of who performs it. Unfortunately this is next to impossible until one sees the full text as the interpretations are often slanted. In this example we are being invited to belief the success is because the intervention diet is a vegan diet. It might be because it has different levels of water and/or protein and/or fibre. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:43:38 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> wrote: >In a regression >model of predictors of weight change, including diet group and changes in energy >intake, thermic effect of food, resting metabolic rate, and reported energy >expenditure, significant effects were found for diet group (P < .05), thermic >effect of food (P < .05), and resting metabolic rate (P < .001). G'day G'day Gys, One clue to the differences in the diets that made the difference is to be found in the significant change in "thermic effect of food" and "resting metabolic rate" A reasonable explanation of both these effects is that the vegan diet had higher protein as a percentage of calories. Only protein significantly raises basal metabolic rate (30%). A likely food appearing in a vegan diet that would push up protein is soy. http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Metabolism_explai ned?OpenDocument "Thermic effect of food Your BMR rises after you eat because you use energy to eat, digest and metabolise the food you've just eaten. The rise occurs soon after you start eating and peaks two to three hours later. This rise in the BMR can range between 2-3 per cent and up to 25-30 per cent, depending on the size of the meal and the types of foods eaten. For example: Fats - raise the BMR 4 per cent Carbohydrates - raise BMR 6 per cent Proteins - raise BMR 30 per cent Hot spicy foods - these can also have a significant thermic effect: for example foods containing chilli, horseradish and mustard." Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:52:04 +1000, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >On Mon, 12 Sep 2 >He heads the "Physicians Committee for Responsible >Medicine". " Don't forget, PCRM is a part of PETA. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. > >Ok > >here is the next one : [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Journal of Cardiology and the Journal of the American > Dietetic Association." Hi Alan S , thanks for the warning and the links. I found Olga Raz in this thread. I looked for "Olga Raz" +diet and I found this : http://www.stratsplace.com/rogov/mediterranean_diet.html At the recent San Francisco conferences, medical specialists, nutritionists and epidemiologists presented the latest scientific data supporting the dietary guidelines of what is now known as the "Optimal Traditional Mediterranean Diet Pyramid". Even though the pyramid (shown in the accompanying illustration) consists of nine levels, each representing the stress to be placed on various elements of the diet, the major focus at the recent conferences was on olive oil, nuts and wine. Considering the titles and integrity of the researchers who presented papers, one is almost embarrassed to point out that three of the major sponsors of the conferences were the American Wine Institute, The International Olive Oil Council and the International Nut Council. So there seems to be sponsors in any diet :( How should we decide which one is any good ? I really don't know I don't have the time left to try them all myself Maybe I should invent a diet and sponsor someone I'm about to invent the wiskey diet.... Maybe tomorrow Or maybe exercise Gys >So there seems to be sponsors in any diet :( >How should we decide which one is any good ? Your scales, your meter, your belt, and your doctor. probably in that order. >I really don't know >I don't have the time left to try them all myself Neither do I. But you do have a high intelligence and the ability to sift all of that information. I think you'll come up with something that suits Gys very well. Whether it would also suit me, or any other person, may be problematical. I suspect that what you come up with would probably be better than anything a dietitian comes up with - for you. And probably better for 98% of diabetics and 90% of the non-diabetic population. >Maybe I should invent a diet and sponsor someone Think about that; not as crazy as it sounds. Maybe you, and I, and Quentin and Frank and Annette and Jenny and Jennifer and ...I suspect I'd be the test subject:-) >I'm about to invent the wiskey diet.... Stick to red wine:-) >Maybe tomorrow >Or maybe exercise or maybe a publisher.. Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >So there seems to be sponsors in any diet :( > >How should we decide which one is any good ? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > or maybe a publisher.. Hi Alan , thanks , good thoughts ! So someone invents DietX Than everyone in this world that wants to lose weight _AND_ did not yet succeeded will try DietX just because it is new and they tried everything else already. Then a lot will stop because they don't like the taste , have the wrong genes etc and we will never hear from them again , they will wait for DietY. For a tiny fraction DietX will work and they will become the new DietX-priests I was wondering why _every_ diet works , atkins , southbeach , vegan you name it. This mechanism seems to remove the paradox Every diet works but only for a specific population :( Maybe in the future all factors , like your package of genes , your health condition , your physical activity et , can be combined in a personal diet advice by the specialists Too early for that Thanks again Gys Researcher Oversees Diet Sensation Libraries Medical News Keywords THE BREAD FOR LIFE DIET BY OLGA RAZ Contact Information Available for logged-in reporters only Description Carbs are back! The Bread for Life Diet: The High-on-Carbs Weight Loss Plan, the diet phenomenon that has made nutrition researcher Olga Raz as famous in Israel as Atkins was in America, is scheduled to be released by U.S. publisher StewartTabori and Chang in September 2005. The Bread for Life Diet by Olga Raz. Welcome Back, Carbs! Newswise Carbs are back! The Bread for Life Diet: The High-on-Carbs Weight Loss Plan, the diet phenomenon that has made nutrition researcher Olga Raz as famous in Israel as Atkins was in America, is scheduled to be released by U.S. publisher StewartTabori and Chang in September 2005 Its the diet other publishers didnt want to touch because it is so anti-Akins and South Beach, says Debora Yost, the books editor, but Ive known all along that there were flaws in those diets and knew it was just a matter of time until carbohydrates would come back in vogue and be part of a sensible eating program. Yost, a veteran health editor and an author herself, said she heard a loose translation of the diet was around and she tracked it to an advertising agency in Florida with the help of an industry colleague. As soon as I saw it I could see that it made perfect sense. I contacted Olga Raz and had several e-mail conversations with her. She was very impressive and has an outstanding scientific background. The diet is not like anything I have ever seen, and I have seen them all. The diet features bread, and lots of it up to 12 slices a day for women and 16 slices a day for men plus lots of other wholesome carbohydrates -- and is a two-part program. The bread is not a gimmick. Rather it is a real weight loss mechanism because it is eaten in such a way that it corrects the biological processes that make dieting difficult for so many people, and it prevents the cravings and hunger that lead to diet failure, says Debora Yost. Raz has already guided thousands of people in Israel to successful weight loss through the Its All in You Head weight loss program at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center, Israels second largest hospital where Raz is the director of the nutrition and dietetic unit; her own private clinic; and through her book Eat Bread and Get Slim, which became an instant best-seller. The Raz Diet, as it is called in Israel, also became the basis of a hit reality program in which Raz coached 20 obese people, and helped them lose a combined total of 880 pounds over a six-to-eight month period. Ironically, Raz developed her diet as a result of a scientific experiment she did to help come up with an explanation for her patients who complained that they could not sustain low-carbohydrate diets and did not like the way they made them feel. Razs experiment involved measuring the levels of serotonin in the blood. *Serotonin is a brain chemical that, in addition to other things, controls the hunger and satiety centers in the brain (Meguid, M. et al., 2000). When Raz fed patients a high-protein meal, there serotonin level rose but quickly plummeted. However, when she fed them whole grain carbohydrate-based bread their serotonin level went up and stayed up, meaning they felt satisfied and stayed satisfied. She took that finding and developed it into the diet that became The Bread for Life Diet, said Yost. Subsequent research also found that it has big health benefits as well, including the ability to lower cholesterol, triglycerides and blood sugar. It also eliminates mood swings, so you dont get the cravings and hunger that makes people abandon their diets. She even found it helps relieve headaches. Stewart Tabori and Chang plan to bring Olga Raz to the United States to introduce the book in a ten-city tour scheduled to begin September 26, 2005. *Presentations in Congresses and Conferences Serotonin level and weight reducing diet 10th European Congress on Obesity, May 2000, Vienna **Meguid, M. et al. Hypothalamic Dopamine and Serotonin the Regulation of Food Intake, Nutrition, 16 (2000):843-57 10th European Congress on Obesity, May 2000, Vienna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2005 Newswise. All Rights Reserved. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Ok > here is the next one : [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to > lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "Eating/enjoying unlimited servings of any kind of food will cause weight gain and illness." Proverbs 25:16 "Hunger is a blessing that should not be avoided but rather embraced." Proverbs 16:26 Truth is simple. In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. 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