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ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the clenching. i dont know who to believe. Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 4, 4:43 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700 Local: Sun, May 4 2008 4:43 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > clenching. i dont know who to believe. I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:41 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:41 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby Im still HERE.....thanks Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:44 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle in my post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2 of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:45 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:45 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby Yes im still here Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 12, 12:01 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700 Local: Mon, May 12 2008 12:01 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > In article > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > Webby > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle > in my > post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw > joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2 > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. Hello, First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I think would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers. And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr. Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order since he's only a couple hours away from LA. Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 13, 8:12 am Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700 Local: Tues, May 13 2008 8:12 am Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > In article > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > Webby > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle > in my > post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw > joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2 > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. BTW, you said a neurologist prescribed the NTI. Who actually made the NTI and followed your progress with it? You should realize, if you already don't, that the device should be reevaluated. What have the "3 TMJ specialists" said about the NTI? The "3 TMJ specialists" ... what makes them so special anyway? Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 13, 6:06 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Local: Tues, May 13 2008 6:06 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 13, 8:12 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > > In article > > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > > > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is > > > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a > > > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night > > > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving > > > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next > > > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives > > > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has > > > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it > > > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any > > > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw > > > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- > > > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will > > > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried > > > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > > Webby > > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle > > in my > > post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw > > joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2 > > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. > BTW, you said a neurologist prescribed the NTI. Who actually made the > NTI and followed your progress with it? > You should realize, if you already don't, that the device should be > reevaluated. What have the "3 TMJ specialists" said about the NTI? > The "3 TMJ specialists" ... what makes them so special anyway? > Webby i have no idea what makes them special, i believe the only criteria for treating tmj is willingness to accept huge amounts of money for providing 15 minutes of time. And i got my NTI from Dr. Boyd, whom i visited three times without actually receiving an exam, and after not making any progress He decided not to return my emails. And i have yet to crosspost, so im not sure how do to that. thanks Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. End of messages « Back to Discussions I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure? Clenching on the device was interupting your clenching on your natural teeth! Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake. Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical opening, slide bars, etc. The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good indication that you are on the right track with the clenching being a large part of your problem. I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it happen. If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind for a referral. Steve Fawks > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is [quoted text clipped - 468 lines] > End of messages > « Back to Discussions > I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI > in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure? [quoted text clipped - 491 lines] > > End of messages > > « Back to Discussions I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most painful stabbing headaches in my ears ive ever felt. id wake up in the middle of the night violently clamped down feeling my jaw joints falling back in as i would wake up. im a clencher and i had dislocated or injured my right side not too long before getting the NTI. Like I said Dr. Boyd made the thing, in fact made 2, and it just caused me more pain. i dont know, maybe the thing has healed some and it might work at this point. but im not sure i want to risk the excruciating pain that it gave me before. And these whatever specialists at UCLA have really had bad things to say about the device. I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been very pleased with the results. That does not mean that anything in life is 100%. However the NTI is very close with a little work. If you would have listened to Dr. Boyd, he would have told you that any change in your symptoms meant that the clenching and the NTI intervention showed that you were on the right track. You (and Jim) had just not found the right design combo to make things better. For the average case, 15 minutes, a 'standard' NTI and everything is fixed in no time. For a severe case, it takes weeks and maybe several NTI combinations to find a system that works. That isn't a $150-$500 sequence of events. NTI dentists get used to 'shooting fish in a barrel', but an occassional patient does not fit the mold. The 'specialists' that dis the NTI are usually those that would fit the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes". Keep working on it and you'll have braces, crowns, and surgery. That'll help a lot.......or not. :-( JMO, Steve Fawks BTW, bottom posting at 4-5 pages of text is a good way to have your message missed completely. > I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most > painful [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > these whatever specialists at UCLA have > really had bad things to say about the device. I missed it, until I saw Steve's post and went back to check. I don't have the interest to scroll down more than a short distance looking for a fresh reply.  Signature/ Amatus / > I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been > very pleased with the results. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> these whatever specialists at UCLA have >> really had bad things to say about the device. I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort. Signature/ Amatus / ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so- called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the clenching. i dont know who to believe. Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 4, 4:43 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700 Local: Sun, May 4 2008 4:43 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > clenching. i dont know who to believe. I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:41 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:41 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby Im still HERE.....thanks Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:44 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle in my post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2 of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 11, 6:45 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:45 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > Webby Yes im still here Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 12, 12:01 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700 Local: Mon, May 12 2008 12:01 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > In article > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > Webby > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. Hello, First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I think would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers. And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr. Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order since he's only a couple hours away from LA. Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. The Webby View profile More options May 13, 8:12 am Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700 Local: Tues, May 13 2008 8:12 am Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author In article <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > In article > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > Webby > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. BTW, you said a neurologist prescribed the NTI. Who actually made the NTI and followed your progress with it? You should realize, if you already don't, that the device should be reevaluated. What have the "3 TMJ specialists" said about the NTI? The "3 TMJ specialists" ... what makes them so special anyway? Webby Reply Reply to author Forward Rate this post: Text for clearing space You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. jerm View profile More options May 13, 6:06 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.jaw-disorders From: jerm <blown...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Local: Tues, May 13 2008 6:06 pm Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!! Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author On May 13, 8:12 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > <eb9cf04f-514c-4719-9363-769bf81c7...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote: > > > In article > > > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > > jerm <blown...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > the > > > > clenching. i dont know who to believe. > > > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. > > > I'll > > > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here". > > > Webby > > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and > > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to > > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous. > BTW, you said a neurologist prescribed the NTI. Who actually made the > NTI and followed your progress with it? > You should realize, if you already don't, that the device should be > reevaluated. What have the "3 TMJ specialists" said about the NTI? > The "3 TMJ specialists" ... what makes them so special anyway? > Webby i have no idea what makes them special, i believe the only criteria for treating tmj is willingness to accept huge amounts of money for providing 15 minutes of time. And i got my NTI from Dr. Boyd, whom i visited three times without actually receiving an exam, and after not making any progress He decided not to return my emails. And i have yet to crosspost, so im not sure how do to that. thanks Reply Reply to author Forward You must Sign in before you can post messages. To post a message you must first join this group. Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. You do not have the permission required to post. End of messages « Back to Discussions > I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can > swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort. Could very well be. I don't know how long ago he had Jim make one and I don't know if it was on the max. or mand. Change the vertical, check for posterior contacts in excursion, and use a mand. appliance to lessen the chance for cuspid contact. Good place to start. Steve |
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