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Robert - 03 May 2008 02:51 GMT
Looking for a new dentist.  (I'm sorry I'm too far away from SB!)   I see a
couple advertising the use of something called a Diagnodent for detecting
decay.  Is this a true advance, or is it hyped up? Can this actually help
detect decay underneath composit fillings?
Newbie@bix.nex - 03 May 2008 03:20 GMT
>Looking for a new dentist.  (I'm sorry I'm too far away from SB!)   I see a
>couple advertising the use of something called a Diagnodent for detecting
>decay.  Is this a true advance, or is it hyped up? Can this actually help
>detect decay underneath composit fillings?

Think Amatus has one, there are others here that also have this
instrument IIRC.

Perhaps they will chime in.
Amatus Cremona - 03 May 2008 15:54 GMT
The DiagnoDent is useful for "staging" decay on teeth that do NOT already
have a filling.  If there is a filling on the tooth, the DiagnoDent does NOT
help much.  It's best use is to give a numerical value to some early decay
between teeth or in the center of a tooth, then compare the numerical value
at subsequent visits.  This way you can tell if the lesion is changing or
not.  I does help you make you decision of borderline lesions that you are
not 100% certain need a filling.  A high number on the DiagnoDent will
indicate the need to fill the tooth soon.

It is a nice way of "staging" decay.

Amatus

Now back to practicing Chords.

>>Looking for a new dentist.  (I'm sorry I'm too far away from SB!)   I see
>>a
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> Perhaps they will chime in.
Newbie@bix.nex - 03 May 2008 17:27 GMT
>The DiagnoDent is useful for "staging" decay on teeth that do NOT already
>have a filling.  If there is a filling on the tooth, the DiagnoDent does NOT
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>Now back to practicing Chords.

It takes at least 3 notes to make a chord.
(can you do that on a violin ?)
Two disparate notes are called an 'interval'.

Certainly arpeggios are well within the range
of your stringed instrument, but that's another topic.

8^]]

>>>Looking for a new dentist.  (I'm sorry I'm too far away from SB!)   I see
>>>a
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>> Perhaps they will chime in.
Amatus Cremona - 04 May 2008 16:54 GMT
An instrument set-up for "country-style" playing has the bridge cut rather
flat so that 3 and 4 note chords are easy.

An instrument set-up for "classical" playing (like mine) has more curve to
the bridge and you can easily drag the bow across 2 strings at one time.  If
you apply more pressure to the bow, you can depress the center string (of 3)
and play a 3-note chord with moderate effort.  A 4-note chord on my
instrument is not possible without playing up on the finger-board.  A 4-note
chord on a classical set-up is played as a transitional sound of blending
two 3-note chords in one bow stroke.

Many intervals are played with a second violin playing the 3rd and 4th notes
to create a 3 or 4 note chord sound to the listener.  You will hear this
most of the time with music written for quartets.

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>>The DiagnoDent is useful for "staging" decay on teeth that do NOT already
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>>> Perhaps they will chime in.
Steven Bornfeld - 04 May 2008 17:32 GMT
> An instrument set-up for "country-style" playing has the bridge cut rather
> flat so that 3 and 4 note chords are easy.

    Are country fiddles made with the same radius fingerboard?  Classical
guitars have a flat fingerboard, but almost all other instruments
whether acoustic or electric have radiused fingerboards (though not as
curvy as violins).
    Are violin bridge saddles "compensated" like guitar saddles?  I
actually see this less often in classical guitars.  I think it has
something to do with temperament, but I'd guess without frets you can
compensate with your fingering.
    The (late) Lou Harrison wrote some music (I think he may have
transposed some of his own music from harp) for resophonic guitar with
curved frets.  Some instruments are actually set up with separate frets
for each string, and they all can move.  I have enough problems tuning
as it is.  But learning resophonic would be kewl.

Steve

> An instrument set-up for "classical" playing (like mine) has more curve to
> the bridge and you can easily drag the bow across 2 strings at one time.  If
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> to create a 3 or 4 note chord sound to the listener.  You will hear this
> most of the time with music written for quartets.
Amatus Cremona - 04 May 2008 20:06 GMT
> Are country fiddles made with the same radius fingerboard?

The radius of the fingerboard has no effect on the ability to bow across
multiple strings at one time, so they don't change it.

> Classical  guitars have a flat fingerboard, but almost all other
> instruments whether acoustic or electric have radiused fingerboards
> (though not as curvy as violins).
> Are violin bridge saddles "compensated" like guitar saddles?

I don't know what a compensated saddle would be.  A violin saddle is a small
peice of ebony at the very bottom of the belly of the instrument over which
the tail-gut extends from the tail-piece to the end-bottom.  The strings
terminate at the "near" end of the tail-piece.

>  I  actually see this less often in classical guitars.  I think it has
> something to do with temperament, but I'd guess without frets you can
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> and they all can move.  I have enough problems tuning as it is.  But
> learning resophonic would be kewl.

What is resophonic mean?

I personally find it tough trying to play with frets since I cannot
compensate the tone if the instrument goes slightly off tune while playing.

> Steve
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>> notes to create a 3 or 4 note chord sound to the listener.  You will hear
>> this most of the time with music written for quartets.
Steven Bornfeld - 04 May 2008 20:23 GMT
>> Are country fiddles made with the same radius fingerboard?
>
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> What is resophonic mean?

    A resophonic guitar generally has a steel top with cones to amplify the
sound.  It is usually played with a slide, and therefore I'd think with
altered tunings.  The best known brands are National Steel and Dobro.
Here's a National:

    http://tinyurl.com/66sp5a

> I personally find it tough trying to play with frets since I cannot
> compensate the tone if the instrument goes slightly off tune while playing.

    That's one reason why they say guitarists spend half their time tuning
and the other half playing out of tune.

Steve

>> Steve
>>> An instrument set-up for "classical" playing (like mine) has more curve
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>>> notes to create a 3 or 4 note chord sound to the listener.  You will hear
>>> this most of the time with music written for quartets.
Amatus Cremona - 05 May 2008 20:52 GMT
Neat looking instrument !

At my lesson this past Saturday, my instrument was a bit less than one half
step sharp.  Rather than re-tune, I simply moved my hand position a tiny bit
higher on the fingerboard.  And,,,,,,,,,,, I was still in tune.  {We tune to
"A"  (440).  My "A" string ended up a bit sharp on initial tuning up and the
other 3 strings were tuned high to match it.}

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>>> Are country fiddles made with the same radius fingerboard?
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>>>> notes to create a 3 or 4 note chord sound to the listener.  You will
>>>> hear this most of the time with music written for quartets.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 05 May 2008 21:56 GMT
> Neat looking instrument !
>
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> "A"  (440).  My "A" string ended up a bit sharp on initial tuning up and the
> other 3 strings were tuned high to match it.}

    See, to a fretted instrument player, the idea of making those kinds of
intonation adjustments on the fly is mind-boggling.

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Amatus Cremona - 05 May 2008 23:46 GMT
And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
frets seems constrictive.  When playing a piece with accidentals mixed in,
it is common to exaggerate the sharp or the flat so as to increase the
difference between the tones.  We might place the finger a quarter step
further away from the key signature note to make the accidental stand out
more.  With my fat finger tips, this often means just tipping the finger
slightly.

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>> Neat looking instrument !
>>
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> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 06 May 2008 00:36 GMT
> And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
> frets seems constrictive.

    Ya, but Newbie can bend his strings for microtonal effects.  Not so
easy with nylon strings though.

Steve

  When playing a piece with accidentals mixed in,
> it is common to exaggerate the sharp or the flat so as to increase the
> difference between the tones.  We might place the finger a quarter step
> further away from the key signature note to make the accidental stand out
> more.  With my fat finger tips, this often means just tipping the finger
> slightly.

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Newbie@bix.nex - 10 May 2008 23:53 GMT
>> And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
>> frets seems constrictive.
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>Steve

True about me but, why not with nylon ?
Are natural fiber strings even made anymore ?

>   When playing a piece with accidentals mixed in,
>> it is common to exaggerate the sharp or the flat so as to increase the
>> difference between the tones.  We might place the finger a quarter step
>> further away from the key signature note to make the accidental stand out
>> more.  With my fat finger tips, this often means just tipping the finger
>> slightly.
Steven Bornfeld - 11 May 2008 21:46 GMT
>>> And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
>>> frets seems constrictive.
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> True about me but, why not with nylon ?
> Are natural fiber strings even made anymore ?

    Yes, gut strings are made, but they're unreliable and expensive.
There's something called "nylgut" which is supposed to have some of the
qualities of gut but is less temperamental and less expensive.  I've
never used it though.
    Willie Nelson bends his nylon strings, but you have to work much harder
to change the pitch.  Vibrato is generally accomplished like a
violin--moving the finger back and forth with the axis of the string
rather than across the fingerboard.

Steve
Amatus Cremona - 12 May 2008 12:30 GMT
I use a synthetic core metal wound string.  It gives almost the warmth and
complexity of sound as gut, but stretches in faster and stays in tune much
better.  My instrument actually stayed in tune the past 3 days without
touching the pegs.  --Light rain the past few days, and my old instrument
seems to like the high humidity.

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>>>> And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
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> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 12 May 2008 13:53 GMT
> I use a synthetic core metal wound string.  It gives almost the warmth and
> complexity of sound as gut, but stretches in faster and stays in tune much
> better.  My instrument actually stayed in tune the past 3 days without
> touching the pegs.  --Light rain the past few days, and my old instrument
> seems to like the high humidity.

    Your average classical string set has monofilament nylon first, second,
and third strings.  The set I use comes with 2 3rd (G) strings--one in
standard nylon, one referred to as "composite".  For reasons I don't
know, the third string is almost always the weakest for volume, and I
think for intonation as well.  The composite is supposed to help this.
The fourth, fifth and sixth strings are metal-wound polyfilament nylon.
 In steel string sets the first thru third strings are wire; the fourth
thru sixth metal wound wire core.
    I believe Segovia was the one who complained about the performance of
gut strings--nylon strings were developed by Augustine, under Segovia's
direction:

http://www.albertaugustine.com/history_content.html

Steve
Amatus Cremona - 12 May 2008 12:27 GMT
Gut strings are still available for violins.  There is actually more being
made now than a few years ago.

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>>> And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
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>>> more.  With my fat finger tips, this often means just tipping the finger
>>> slightly.
Newbie@bix.nex - 10 May 2008 23:50 GMT
>And, to someone who plays without frets, the limitations, on tone, with
>frets seems constrictive.  When playing a piece with accidentals mixed in,
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>more.  With my fat finger tips, this often means just tipping the finger
>slightly.

Due to the nature of my jumbo frets, can do this by exerting more
finger pressure or slighly bending the note.

The string doesn't have to contact the fingerboard on a fretted
instrument and in my particular case (heavy strings, high action)
they rarely do.
Newbie@bix.nex - 10 May 2008 23:48 GMT
>> Neat looking instrument !
>>
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>
>Steve

Only to some, my boy, only to some.
Newbie@bix.nex - 10 May 2008 23:46 GMT
>> I personally find it tough trying to play with frets since I cannot
>> compensate the tone if the instrument goes slightly off tune while playing.
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>
>Steve

Nice !
John & Ninetta - 03 May 2008 09:42 GMT
> Looking for a new dentist.  (I'm sorry I'm too far away from SB!)   I see
> a couple advertising the use of something called a Diagnodent for
> detecting decay.  Is this a true advance, or is it hyped up? Can this
> actually help detect decay underneath composit fillings?

Diagnodent cannot read through an existing filling.  It is for detecting
lesions that originate from the surface of a tooth.

www.kavo.com/Default.aspx?navid=40&oid=002&lid=En

John

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