Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / March 2008
implants and crown lengthening
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ken - 10 Mar 2008 11:22 GMT Three years ago I had a Cerec onlay fitted on my left frontmost molar (lower jaw) because the tooth had fractured. The dentist did not remove all of the crack (my guess as a layman is that he didn't want to go too near the pulp chamber, which would have meant RCT). Instead, he relied on the onlay to hold things together, and warned that I might 'still get the occasional twinge of pain'.
The tooth now exhibits all the signs of cracked tooth syndrome once again, which probably means the crack has spread, so now I'm probably due for RCT - if I'm lucky. If it's spread to the root, I know I'll lose the tooth.
The reason I'm posting is, I know that dentists sometimes treat cracks that have spread to the root with 'crown lengthening' and that this means removing bone.
I'm worried that if he does this, and the tooth eventually fails anyway and I have to have an implant, this loss of bone will compromise the implant's chances of a long life.
Could anyone here comment, please?
Amatus Cremona - 10 Mar 2008 13:08 GMT I would NOT perform a surgical crown lengthening procedure on a tooth such as you describe.
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> Three years ago I had a Cerec onlay fitted on my left frontmost molar > (lower jaw) because the tooth had fractured. The dentist did not [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Could anyone here comment, please? Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 10 Mar 2008 16:16 GMT > I would NOT perform a surgical crown lengthening procedure on a tooth such > as you describe. I agree.
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Amatus Cremona - 10 Mar 2008 16:29 GMT Actually, with the success rate of implants where it is right now. I basically stopped doing surgical crown lengthening. If I need more tooth exposed to be able to restore the tooth, it usually is better off being replaced with an implant. Why spend $1K for RCT, then $1K more to lengthen the tooth (while reducing the bony support on the two adjacent teeth), when could basically get an implant placed surgically for that money. Then, the money spent for the crown ends up restoring the implant rather than a severely compromised root stump. Abutment cost is offset by the core cost, (mostly).
To perform surgical crown lengthening properly, you have to remove a fair amount of bone from the adjacent teeth. For all your effort, you end up with a tooth which has a longer crown and a shorter root. The adjacent teeth often end up sensitive to temperature, sweets, contact, etc. Not a good combination either. The implant is much more likely to still in service in ten years.
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>> I would NOT perform a surgical crown lengthening procedure on a tooth >> such as you describe. > > I agree. > > Steve ken - 11 Mar 2008 13:13 GMT > Actually, with the success rate of implants where it is right now. I > basically stopped doing surgical crown lengthening. If I need more tooth [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Amatus Thank you, Amatus, for this very succinct and informative reply. But this raises another question, and I'd be very grateful if you and anyone else here can offer their opinions.
I'm due to see my dentist about this tooth in a couple of weeks, but I'm in a dilemma. Being a layman, I certainly don't know how far the crack has spread, and I'd have thought my dentist wouldn't be able to tell either without at least removing the onlay (the original crack went exactly through a the rearmost cusp on the tongue side, so what remains of the crack may not be very accessible to the eye).
I am guessing that the onlay can only be removed by destroying it.
Even then, he may not know whether the crack reaches the pulp chamber (indicating RCT) or goes right down to the root (indicating extraction) until he grinds the tooth down.
My dilemma is: I don't have much money, and can (just about) afford an implant OR root canals and a crown, but not both. Also, to complicate matters, my dentist doesn't do implants.
So, I really don't know how this visit will proceed, and what I should say to my dentist when I see him. I'd really appreciate any advice anyone can give here.
(BTW, one factor here is the cost of dental treatment where I live, the UK. Amatus mentioned RCT at about $1,000 and crown lengthening at another $1,000, and said you "could basically get an implant placed surgically for that money". Well, here in the UK things seem to be more expensive - about two to three thousand pounds for an implant (that's nearly $6,000 at present exchange rates), and about £800 for RCT on a molar, plus £600 for the crown).
Amatus Cremona - 11 Mar 2008 13:31 GMT In the USA, by the time you pay for records, template, abutment and crown, plus the surgical fee, you will end up paying $3.5K; another $600 if you need grafting.
To treat such a tooth, you spend $1K for surgical crown lengthening, $1K for RCT, $400 for a core, and $1K+ for the crown. That is about $3.5K for a tooth with a questionable prognosis.
I cannot speak for fees in the UK. I understand that the NHS has messed up dentistry for many years over there. I suppose your fee estimate might be higher if you were quoted for sedation or general anesthetic. That can add another $400-700 to fees on this side of the Big Pond.
Frankly,,,,,,,,, a tooth with a significant fracture which was visible without high magnification, that subsequently develops symptoms such as you describe, is very likely to be cracked right through the roots. If you choose, you could ask your dentist to remove the entire onlay, and chase the crack to its terminus. However, be prepared to have the tooth removed after he chases the fracture below the level of bone. I *suspect* you would be better off doing the work-up for an implant, and having the surgeon, who will be placing the implant fixture, extract the tooth and examine the bony socket while the tooth is out. He can determine if grafting will be necessary, determine if an implant can be placed that day, or what the preferred treatment plan would be.
Your dentist may not perform the surgical portion of the implant placement, but should be well qualified to fabricate an abutment and crown over the healed implant. If not,,,,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ummmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you might think of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ummmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you know what I am trying to say.
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On 10 Mar, 15:29, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce.com> wrote:
> Actually, with the success rate of implants where it is right now. I > basically stopped doing surgical crown lengthening. If I need more tooth [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Amatus Thank you, Amatus, for this very succinct and informative reply. But this raises another question, and I'd be very grateful if you and anyone else here can offer their opinions.
I'm due to see my dentist about this tooth in a couple of weeks, but I'm in a dilemma. Being a layman, I certainly don't know how far the crack has spread, and I'd have thought my dentist wouldn't be able to tell either without at least removing the onlay (the original crack went exactly through a the rearmost cusp on the tongue side, so what remains of the crack may not be very accessible to the eye).
I am guessing that the onlay can only be removed by destroying it.
Even then, he may not know whether the crack reaches the pulp chamber (indicating RCT) or goes right down to the root (indicating extraction) until he grinds the tooth down.
My dilemma is: I don't have much money, and can (just about) afford an implant OR root canals and a crown, but not both. Also, to complicate matters, my dentist doesn't do implants.
So, I really don't know how this visit will proceed, and what I should say to my dentist when I see him. I'd really appreciate any advice anyone can give here.
(BTW, one factor here is the cost of dental treatment where I live, the UK. Amatus mentioned RCT at about $1,000 and crown lengthening at another $1,000, and said you "could basically get an implant placed surgically for that money". Well, here in the UK things seem to be more expensive - about two to three thousand pounds for an implant (that's nearly $6,000 at present exchange rates), and about £800 for RCT on a molar, plus £600 for the crown).
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 11 Mar 2008 16:43 GMT >> Actually, with the success rate of implants where it is right now. I >> basically stopped doing surgical crown lengthening. If I need more tooth [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > (that's nearly $6,000 at present exchange rates), and about £800 for > RCT on a molar, plus £600 for the crown). You sound very informed, but just to be sure, make sure you know what that 3 thousand pounds is buying you. Hard to believe there would be such a differential in fees. It may include the fixture, the abutment and the crown, in which case it's probably not an unusual fee for (say) a good dentist in Manhattan. For just the implant fixture I don't know how that can be justified by the market. I'd think that with the national health, those competing for the (relatively few) private patients would drive fees down, not up. But what do I know. In any case, we don't know where the crack goes, and as it's quite possible the tooth is impossible to save, we don't know what the real options are at this point. Yes, the dentist will almost certainly have to remove the onlay to find out what's going on. Once you know what is possible, the options open to you will be clearer.
Good luck, Steve
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