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Eigenvector - 05 Mar 2008 01:08 GMT
I'm going in to have a large amalgam removed that has decay around the
edges.  The dentist put down root pulp cap on the estimate that he gave me
and that immediately got me to worrying.  I'm thinking, pulp cap, I've read
about them - root canals and painful teeth.

Is it necessarily the case that a pulp cap implies the tooth sensitivity
from now on or is that my neurosis and overactive imagination talking?  The
tooth currently isn't sensitive so far as I can tell, so does that imply
that the dentist is covering his bases in case the decay underneath is worse
than expected?  The replacement will undoubtedly be a composite, since he
works exclusively with them - and does good work too.
Steven Bornfeld - 05 Mar 2008 03:13 GMT
> I'm going in to have a large amalgam removed that has decay around the
> edges.  The dentist put down root pulp cap on the estimate that he gave me
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> than expected?  The replacement will undoubtedly be a composite, since he
> works exclusively with them - and does good work too.

    He may be "covering his bases".  Pulp capping implies that either the
pulp has been exposed by the decay (direct pulp cap) or that the dentist
expects that removing that last bit of decay will expose the pulp, so a
medication is placed over the deep part of the cavity in hopes that the
pulp will heal.
    Although there is some promising work being done with new materials,
direct pulp caps do not work well in adult teeth.  Indirect pulp caps
may, except that you have to assume the pulp has not yet been infected
and hope for the best.  In cases like yours where there have not been
symptoms I have seen indirect pulp caps work well.  Of course there is
the chance that removing that last bit of decay would NOT expose the
pulp, and it was unnecessary.
    Alternatively it could be an "unbundling" of services to bump up the
fee.  No way to tell from here.  However, while I will tell a patient
beforehand that a cavity is deep and the pulp may be at risk, I
certainly won't figure in a separate fee beforehand, since I don't
consider this a routine service anymore.  If the pulp is threatened,
honestly you will get a more predictable result with a root canal treatment.

Steve
Eigenvector - 05 Mar 2008 04:45 GMT
>> I'm going in to have a large amalgam removed that has decay around the
>> edges.  The dentist put down root pulp cap on the estimate that he gave
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>
> Steve

Well I'm hoping he's just covering his bases then.  I've been going to this
dentist for 8 years and he's not one to pad his bills and it's not like I'm
obligated to pay the estimate.  Actually he's never actually given me an
estimate before, so perhaps the OA that handed me the estimate was just
giving out standard materials.  He certainly didn't mention a root canal.
Steven Fawks - 06 Mar 2008 01:47 GMT
Sometimes dentists get to a point where they don't feel things
are working the way they want or deserve.  They get a practice
management counselor and start a whole new approach with the
business end of things.

Time will tell,
Steve

> Well I'm hoping he's just covering his bases then.  I've been going to this
> dentist for 8 years and he's not one to pad his bills and it's not like I'm
> obligated to pay the estimate.  Actually he's never actually given me an
> estimate before, so perhaps the OA that handed me the estimate was just
> giving out standard materials.  He certainly didn't mention a root canal.
Newbie@bix.nex - 06 Mar 2008 02:52 GMT
Top Posting ditto.

>> I'm going in to have a large amalgam removed that has decay around the
>> edges.  The dentist put down root pulp cap on the estimate that he gave me
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>
>Steve
Amatus Cremona - 05 Mar 2008 11:15 GMT
HMO or PPO    Right?

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> I'm going in to have a large amalgam removed that has decay around the
> edges.  The dentist put down root pulp cap on the estimate that he gave me
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> is worse than expected?  The replacement will undoubtedly be a composite,
> since he works exclusively with them - and does good work too.
Dartos - 05 Mar 2008 13:43 GMT
> HMO or PPO    Right?

IOWs, the pulp cap might just be a fee the guy throws in there
to up the total bill since the insurance plan limits the amount
he can bill as the restoration itself.

It is also possible that this dentist lines all posterior work
with some type of glass ionomer to prevent sensitivity after
the composite is placed.  This isn't needed with the right
bonding material and technique, but this dentist could just
be the 'belt & suspenders' type.

D
Amatus Cremona - 05 Mar 2008 14:12 GMT
Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big belt
buckle to work in a rural setting?

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>> HMO or PPO    Right?
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> D
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 05 Mar 2008 16:28 GMT
> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big belt
> buckle to work in a rural setting?

Doubles as a cow catcher?

Steve

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Amatus Cremona - 05 Mar 2008 17:36 GMT
LOL

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>> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big
>> belt buckle to work in a rural setting?
>
> Doubles as a cow catcher?
>
> Steve
Dartos - 05 Mar 2008 19:34 GMT
LOL!  Not really.  Just leave the fancy Italian suits at home
in the closet and wear some casual shoes.

:-)
Steve

> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big belt
> buckle to work in a rural setting?
Amatus Cremona - 05 Mar 2008 20:46 GMT
I already convinced the practice-owner to attend an opera with us this
Spring.  :-)

I may have to go out any buy some flannel shirts for myself.  {They do still
make those, don't they?}

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> LOL!  Not really.  Just leave the fancy Italian suits at home
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>> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big
>> belt buckle to work in a rural setting?
Steven Fawks - 06 Mar 2008 01:53 GMT
Can I get a beer at the opera?  If so, I might go....once. <G>

Flannel shirts are great for the colder climes, but just too
hot for me to wear in the office.  I just grab a polo and
khakis.

:-)
Steve

> I already convinced the practice-owner to attend an opera with us this
> Spring.  :-)
>
> I may have to go out any buy some flannel shirts for myself.  {They do still
> make those, don't they?}
Newbie@bix.nex - 06 Mar 2008 03:07 GMT
>Can I get a beer at the opera?  If so, I might go....once. <G>

Great minds...

>Flannel shirts are great for the colder climes, but just too
>hot for me to wear in the office.  I just grab a polo and
>khakis.
>
>:-)
>Steve

Scrubs and a Tee.

>> I already convinced the practice-owner to attend an opera with us this
>> Spring.  :-)
>>
>> I may have to go out any buy some flannel shirts for myself.  {They do still
>> make those, don't they?}
Newbie@bix.nex - 06 Mar 2008 03:05 GMT
They serve beer at the opera ?
Who knew.

The big buckle sure helps at the rodeo.

>I already convinced the practice-owner to attend an opera with us this
>Spring.  :-)
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>>> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big
>>> belt buckle to work in a rural setting?
Steven Fawks - 06 Mar 2008 18:34 GMT
Have you seen that commercial where the guy smuggled
bottled beer into the opera?  Cans are the way to go.

;-)
Steve

> They serve beer at the opera ?
> Who knew.
Newbie@bix.nex - 07 Mar 2008 22:46 GMT
Yeah, but I don't drink bud lite.

How about some Fosters instead ?  <hehe>

>Have you seen that commercial where the guy smuggled
>bottled beer into the opera?  Cans are the way to go.
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>> They serve beer at the opera ?
>> Who knew.
Amatus Cremona - 10 Mar 2008 01:29 GMT
Actually,,,,,,,,,,,,, you can get one at the bar during intermission.  Most
folks get the champagne instead.

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> They serve beer at the opera ?
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>>>> Speaking of "belt & suspenders",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will I need a really big
>>>> belt buckle to work in a rural setting?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 05 Mar 2008 16:26 GMT
>> HMO or PPO    Right?
>
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>
> D

    I wore a nerd pack in my pocket in high school.  That probably explains
everything.

Steve

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