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Cosmetic help for severe fluorosis

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thatwave@ca.rr.com - 31 Jan 2008 03:04 GMT
I have pretty bad case of fluorosis. My permanent teeth came in brown
and mottled with hardly any enamel and looked bad from the start.
Dentists have theorized that I must have been given large doses of
fluoride as a baby, perhaps my mom took something when she was
pregnant, I grew up in an area with abnormal amounts of fluoride in
the water, etc.

I am very meticulous about dental care. I brush after every meal with
my electric toothbrush the dentist recommended, don't snack in
between, floss, mouthwash etc. I'm a model dental patient, yet, I look
like I don't brush and have never visited a dentist. In fact, I know
people who brush once a day and rarely visit the dentist that have
much nicer teeth than mine! Despite my best efforts, I have several
new, ugly cavities a year. The areas with no cavities just have ugly
stains. The hygienists tell me that my teeth are pretty clean when I
go in, and that I seem to do a good job at fighting plaque. Every
dentist I've seen has been surprised at the severity of the fluorosis
and they always ask where I'm from. (Apparently certain areas have
higher levels of fluoride in the water with worse fluorosis.) I also
have very tiny teeth if that means anything.

I have been told by four dentists that my fluorosis is too bad to do
much with. Two dentists recommended just keeping up with regular
fillings until there wasn't enough tooth left to hold them. One
recommended crowning every tooth. Finally, one told me to just pull
all the teeth and get some attractive dentures because it would be
much cheaper than all the dental work I'd need =( This is very
embarrassing. I come from a good family, good area, am well educated
etc., but people look at me like I'm a hillbilly.

I've been told that the staining is too severe for normal bleaching
and stain removal.
I've inquired around about veneers, caps, bonding, etc. and several
specialists told me that I don't have enough enamel on my teeth to
hold the bonds required for these things. Is this true?

I want to preserve my natural teeth even if they're ugly, but would
like to have cosmetic work to hide the ugliness.

Can anyone recommend what I can do to enhance my teeth without
removing them or grinding them down for crowns? I'm barely 30, and
desperately need a way to protect my non-enamel teeth!
Steven Bornfeld - 31 Jan 2008 03:53 GMT
> I have pretty bad case of fluorosis. My permanent teeth came in brown
> and mottled with hardly any enamel and looked bad from the start.
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> removing them or grinding them down for crowns? I'm barely 30, and
> desperately need a way to protect my non-enamel teeth!

    I have only occasionally seen fluorosis with focal areas of hypoplastic
enamel.  Usually this is seen in families with similar dietary habits
living in the same area or nearby.  I have never seen fluorosis so
severe that ALL the teeth have little or no enamel.  If you had
excessive fluoride as a baby you would expect the teeth mineralizing  at
the time to be infected, but not all of them.
    It is likely in my mind that you have one of the genetic enamel or
dentin dysplasias, such as amelogenesis imperfecta or dentinogenesis
imperfecta.  There are a whole family of similar conditions where the
entire dentition is variably affected.
    Most people I've seen with this condition affecting all the teeth
eventually need full crowns on all existing teeth in order to save them.

Steve
thatwave@ca.rr.com - 31 Jan 2008 04:40 GMT
On Jan 30, 7:53 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> I have never seen fluorosis so
> severe that ALL the teeth have little or no enamel.  If you had
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>         Most people I've seen with this condition affecting all the teeth
> eventually need full crowns on all existing teeth in order to save them.

Thanks for the reply. As a young teenager, I was told it was
amelogenesis imperfecta. In fact, my dentist was excited to see a
"rare case". After a year or so, he changed his mind and decided it
was just a bad case of fluorosis. I've asked several other dentists
about amelogenesis and they've all decided it was fluorosis. Obviously
I'm not a dentist, so I'm not sure about the science behind why they
picked one over the other. It is interesting that you say not all
teeth would be affected by fluoride. The only teeth that look normal
are my wisdom teeth and they didn't come in until my late 20's. Could
they be normal because they were developing later? Also, I did grow up
in an area with more fluoride than normal in the water, and I have
always drank water almost exclusively. You mentioned that fluoride
would affect only the teeth mineralizing when I got too much fluoride,
but maybe it affected all of them because it was ongoing exposure?

I do have several teeth that are definitely in need of a crown because
they already have multiple fillings and there isn't much left to fill.
However, some of my teeth do not have cavities, they are just tiny,
mottled and stained. This includes my two front teeth, and I'd hate to
whittle them down for crowns before it is structurally necessary. In
the meantime, would caps or something else work for the teeth without
decay? Or is it true that they can't "stick" without at least some
decent enamel?

I ask all these questions because I just got a new insurance plan and
have to find a new dentist. I want to know all of my options so I can
discuss them. I've had so much dental work, and need so much more
every year... I think dentists are very happy to see me ;)
Steven Bornfeld - 31 Jan 2008 12:57 GMT
> Thanks for the reply. As a young teenager, I was told it was
> amelogenesis imperfecta. In fact, my dentist was excited to see a
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> discuss them. I've had so much dental work, and need so much more
> every year... I think dentists are very happy to see me ;)

    If the local water had that much fluoride I would expect a significant
proportion of the local population to be similarly affected.  OTOH, I
believe most variants of amelogenesis imperfecta are inherited as an
autosomal dominant, so at least one of your parents would have had a
similar condition.
    You don't need enamel for crowns per se; you need sufficient bulk for
the crowns to be retained when cemented.  The problem with teeth with
little or no enamel is that they wear very rapidly, so usually much
dentin is worn as well.  Your dentists who see you are in a better
position to help you.

Steve
Dartos - 31 Jan 2008 14:23 GMT
As long as the patient is ready to spend $30,000 and address any dietary
issues.  The full mouth crown restrative process is also a little
tougher than your typical 3 unit bridge.  Experience helps.

D

  Your dentists who see you are in a better
> position to help you.
>
> Steve
thatwave@ca.rr.com - 31 Jan 2008 17:45 GMT
> As long as the patient is ready to spend $30,000 and address any dietary
> issues.  The full mouth crown restrative process is also a little
> tougher than your typical 3 unit bridge.  Experience helps.

That sure beats the $35,000 quote I got a few years ago!

In response to various posts:
Most recently, I was told that the issue wasn't as bad as I feared.
The dentin appears to be fine, as do the nerves. My gums and roots are
fine as well. I am always nervous that I will get the nightmare
diagnosis of losing a tooth, but my dentist said I didn't need to
worry about that now or for a while.

Neither of my parents has this issue. Perhaps that is why the dentists
lean towards fluorosis. I do know that my mom took a medication during
pregnancy that was later banned for causing birth defects. The defects
it caused weren't necessarily dental, but the dentist told me that my
problems could be related to that or something else she took.

Also, this definitely isn't a diet issue. For blood sugar reasons, I
completely avoided refined sugar for ten years. Only recently did I
start trying the tiniest bit as a treat. I never drink soda or
anything other than water throughout the day. I do not snack between
meals. I eat a very high calcium diet. I don't think I could get much
safer as far as avoiding sugar.

The origins of this issue are a mystery and my mom can't remember
exactly what she might have taken or if she might have given me
fluoride. I just wish I could be like a "normal" person and get pretty
veneers to hid the defects!

Anyway, I have my dentist appointment lined up and I'm reading my new
health care coverage praying they pay a significant portion of crown
costs!

Thanks for the ideas and advice everyone.
Dartos - 31 Jan 2008 14:17 GMT
First, don't be dissin' us hillbillies! <G>

Might not be Fluorosis at all.  Dentinogenisis imperfecta is another
possibility.

At any rate, the salvation of the teeth (if your description is
accurate) is very likely a mouthful of crowns and maybe a few
root canals in the process.

Along with the restorative work, a hard look at your diet and
clenching habits would be in order.  Sipping or nibbling through
the day will decay almost anyones teeth, regardless of brushing.

Clenching can destroy the new crowns.

JMWAG,
D

> I've been told that the staining is too severe for normal bleaching
> and stain removal.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> removing them or grinding them down for crowns? I'm barely 30, and
> desperately need a way to protect my non-enamel teeth!
 
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