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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2007From one of the "oldies" ...
Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > > Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) Yes, it's that time of year again. :-) > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! Do you predict a white Christmas in Vegas this year? Happy holidays everyone! Vaughn & family >> Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Vaughn & family Wot he sed! Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Vaughn & family My prediction is that there's a possibility! ;-) Gotta light a couple candles here ... All my best to you and family, Webby Best to all. :-) Steve > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > > Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) Hi Steve!! Before the year ends, I must tell you that I've had an article (oops, forgotten) in my desk for way too long that was meant to be sent to you!! I read this while on a Southwest Airlines flight ... and I can't determine from the article which edition it came from ... hmmm. I've looked online at the Spirit archives but can't find it anywhere. "Bat Man Begins" by Kate Ledger is an interesting article about a fellow named Jay Ray (Rally Bat LLC) who makes wooden baseball bats in Massachusetts. Maybe you know all about him, but I didn't! ;-) Soooooooo.... I've looked high and low for your snail mail address, but I seem to have misplaced/lost it. If you are interested in this article for yourself and Ryan, send me an email with your info (sorry to have misplaced it) and I'll put it right into the mail. It's odd though that I can't locate the article in their archives. Too bad because I bet some others here would also enjoy it. Happy Holidays, my friend, Webby :-) Anyway... "Bat Man Begins" by Kate Ledger > Best to all. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) I think he's spent enough money on baseball bats for a while. =8-0 One more year of college eligibility and one more summer of Ban Johnson and that will be it for serious play. ;-( Steve > Hi Steve!! > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>> >>>Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) OK correct me if wrong, but don't most of the pro's still use custom made bats from Louisville Slugger ? Some of which are available to the public ? >I think he's spent enough money on baseball bats for a while. >=8-0 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >;-( >Steve >> "Bat Man Begins" by Kate Ledger is an interesting article about a fellow >> named Jay Ray (Rally Bat LLC) who makes wooden baseball bats in >> Massachusetts. Maybe you know all about him, but I didn't! ;-) > OK correct me if wrong, but don't most of the pro's > still use custom made bats from Louisville Slugger ? > > Some of which are available to the public ? I really have no idea. Mizuno, Rawlings, DeMarini, and Easton all have bats with their label. There are Brett bats, Diablo, and several other customs. I could call Ryan and get a more complete list <G>. His favorite is a 33 1/2" Maxbat A-10 (maple of course). LS probably still has the lions share. Steve I thought maple was for violin necks ?? Signature/ Amatus / >> OK correct me if wrong, but don't most of the pro's >> still use custom made bats from Louisville Slugger ? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Steve > I thought maple was for violin necks ?? Hey, both our kids are playing with the same wood! I almost feel guilty that the violin making trade may be threatened by the trend over the last few years to use maple in baseball bats. Well, I did say 'almost'...... <G> Steve At least they don't use spruce in baseball bats. Signature/ Amatus / >> I thought maple was for violin necks ?? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <G> > Steve And guitars ! Though I am not fond of hard rock maple fingerboards. My current favorite is Pao Ferro <Iron Wood> Though rosewood will do in a pinch. Have one with an ebony fingerboard but with the frets don't really see much advantage. Fretless ? Yeah, that'd be kewl. >I thought maple was for violin necks ?? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Steve > And guitars ! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Fretless ? Yeah, that'd be kewl. I'd love to see a pao ferro guitar. Is that an African hardwood? I don't own an electric guitar, but obviously I've seen a lot of maple fingerboards. I do own a couple of acoustic guitars with ebony fingerboards (my classical has a rosewood fingerboard). I've had steel string guitars with rosewood fingerboards where there was significant wear. I think ebony is significantly harder than rosewood. Steve >> I thought maple was for violin necks ?? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>> Steve >> And guitars ! >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >>> I thought maple was for violin necks ?? Yes pao ferro is a rare african hardwood. The only model AFAIK that has a pao ferro fingerboard is the Fender Strat SRV model. Have played about six of them. Consider myself lucky by buying the first one encountered. It is the best piece of wood encountered on that model to date. None of the rest seem to compare. Very very dark, and am wearing the frets with no evidence of 'wood wear'. Of course it could be just the way I play. BTW the SRV is strung with 12s or 13s and plays just like my good acoustics. Think that we have had this discussion before; heavier strings = more tone and volume. Sure, harder to play but tone and clarity should be the goal. Most players that have tried my set up cannot bend or fret accurately in the 6 to 10 register. If strung lower than 10s on any guitar I break strings. Bend them right off of the fretboard and ... PoP ! Good quality rosewood doesn't wear, and has a smooth hard surface with just enough grain to give a bit of friction during bends. Rosewood is actually an ebony, the grain is just a bit more open. Have been told that it comes from the same tree, just a different part. Two of my Alvarez acoustics have rosewood fingerboards, but the Yari model has a much better quality fingerboard than the other. Methinks it's not so much the fingerboard harness, nor the fret hardness; it's how you play it. You can destroy anything if you work on it hard enough. However some wood and some steel is softer than others. Have seen and played guitars such as you described. One must also consider the hardness of the players fingernails and the use upon the fretboard. As we both know technic is also a significant factor. Electric or Acoustic, no matter, the physics of resonance does not change. Feel free to contact me privately if you wish, the wb addy is still working. Happy Hanukka my friend, always read your responses, and hope to meet you in person. You are a prince amongst men. OK pop that baloon head, right now dude ;-]] >> I'd love to see a pao ferro guitar. Is that an African hardwood? >> I don't own an electric guitar, but obviously I've seen a lot of maple [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > OK pop that baloon head, right now dude ;-]] Heh heh. Merry Christmas to you and yours. My daughter of course celebrates everything. Steve > Heh heh. Merry Christmas to you and yours. My daughter of course > celebrates everything. > > Steve I find it entertaining that my Indian (Hindi) friends put their X-Mas trees up before we do. ... (m)oldie??? ;-) Webby (I hope I don't look the part as well!!) nope ! Signature/ Amatus / > > ... (m)oldie??? ;-) > > Webby (I hope I don't look the part as well!!) ? Yeah, that'd be kewl. > I'd love to see a pao ferro guitar. Is that an African hardwood? > I don't own an electric guitar, but obviously I've seen a lot of maple > fingerboards. I do own a couple of acoustic guitars with ebony > fingerboards (my classical has a rosewood fingerboard). I've had steel > string guitars with rosewood fingerboards where there was significant > wear. I think ebony is significantly harder than rosewood. Much harder. Violins always use ebony fingerboards, or else they will wear out in a couple of years. I did not realize you guitar guys used softer woods for the finger boards. > ? Yeah, that'd be kewl. >> I'd love to see a pao ferro guitar. Is that an African hardwood? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > out in a couple of years. I did not realize you guitar guys used softer > woods for the finger boards. I'm sure the fret wear takes some of the stress off the wood of the fingerboard. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 After a long time of use a violin fingerboard will have a "low-spot" in the first position. Sometimes into third position as well. You will see little divots out of the spruce top where fingers have slipped off the "E" string in rapid arpeggio's and the finger nails gauge the soft top. Signature/ Amatus / >> ? Yeah, that'd be kewl. >>> I'd love to see a pao ferro guitar. Is that an African hardwood? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Steve > After a long time of use a violin fingerboard will have a "low-spot" in the > first position. Sometimes into third position as well. You will see little > divots out of the spruce top where fingers have slipped off the "E" string > in rapid arpeggio's and the finger nails gauge the soft top. I confess I don't even know what violin strings are made of. Very few guitarists use gut anymore, and it's very expensive. The lute players do use gut though. And there's something called nylgut--I don't think I want to even think how they make that. Steel strings obviously are a bigger factor for fret wear. But there are very few playable guitars over 100 years old, unless they've been exceptionally kept or extensively restored. At least that means we're generally not drooling over 18th century instruments. But I've seen some restored and some reproductions that are stunning. http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/ Steve > I confess I don't even know what violin strings are made of. Very few > guitarists use gut anymore, and it's very expensive. The lute players > do use gut though. And there's something called nylgut--I don't think I > want to even think how they make that. It's made by stretching kitty cat intestines out and then drying them until they shrink and harden. HTH!! A small percentage of violin players will still use gut. Not that common. Gut strings wear out rather quickly and are tougher to keep in tune. Inexpensive strings are wound metal of varying compositions and layers. Better strings tend to be metal wound over a synthetic fiber. These synthetic strings come close to sounding as good as gut, but last much longer and stay in tune for a few days at a time. "E" strings are often a solid piece of wire, made of tin, gold, steel, titanium, silver, or some alloy. Signature/ Amatus / >> After a long time of use a violin fingerboard will have a "low-spot" in >> the first position. Sometimes into third position as well. You will see [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Steve > A small percentage of violin players will still use gut. Not that common. > Gut strings wear out rather quickly and are tougher to keep in tune. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > solid piece of wire, made of tin, gold, steel, titanium, silver, or some > alloy. I think I've seen wire strings--only the highest? Nylon strings generally have nylon monofilament for the highest 3 (E, B,G) strings, and bronze-wound nylon multistrand nylon for the D, A, and low E strings. Some of the new sets use some kind of "composite" for the G string, which is for some reason pretty uniformly the problem as far as intonation and projection for guitars. I use a composite string and I like it, but not everyone does. Steel string guitar sets generally have naked wire only for the top 2 strings--the G string is wound too. Mostly electric guitarists use flatwound strings that lessen the amount of string noise you hear from classical guitarists on the wound strings. Just a minor unrelated point--classical guitarists generally create vibrato the same way you do--by cycling the string up and down. Most steel string players, and esp. rock and blues guitarists "bend" the string both for portamentos and for vibrato. I never got the hang of doing it like B.B. King--I'd guess Newbie has this down cold. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 We don't create vibrato by cycling the string, but by tipping the finger (+) and (-) on the string. Some players can do this by tipping fingers back and forth. Most do it by bending the hand at the wrist back and forth. "Fiddlers" tend to rock the whole arm back and forth. The idea is to lengthen and shorten the vibrating string length in controlled amounts. Not having frets allows this. Signature/ Amatus / >> A small percentage of violin players will still use gut. Not that >> common. Gut strings wear out rather quickly and are tougher to keep in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Steve > We don't create vibrato by cycling the string, but by tipping the finger (+) > and (-) on the string. Some players can do this by tipping fingers back and > forth. Most do it by bending the hand at the wrist back and forth. > "Fiddlers" tend to rock the whole arm back and forth. The idea is to > lengthen and shorten the vibrating string length in controlled amounts. Not > having frets allows this. I sit corrected. With nylon strings we are pulling the string back and forth in the long axis of the string. With the thumb in place this winds up looking very much the same--ie: the finger by necessity tips back and forth--but the intent as you say is completely different. I hadn't thought how technically it would be to play (for example) a cello vs. a viola da gamba. Most of the early music I've heard doesn't use much vibrato. Steve What I find challenging is to occasionally pick up the mandolin and play the same strings with frets and a pick. Long notes require steady picking. My brain keeps thinking that long notes require one long stroke. Signature/ Amatus / >> We don't create vibrato by cycling the string, but by tipping the finger >> (+) and (-) on the string. Some players can do this by tipping fingers [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Steve > What I find challenging is to occasionally pick up the mandolin and play the > same strings with frets and a pick. Long notes require steady picking. My > brain keeps thinking that long notes require one long stroke. Ya, mandolin has even less sustain than a guitar. I assume you're playing violin music on mando. I would think the rapid flatpicking if written for mandolin would be notated differently. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 No, the sheet music is virtually interchangeable. If written specifically for mandolin, there my be notations as whether to pick up or down. For me the tough thing about the mandolin is that my fingers want to hit the fingerboard, where the note would be on the violin rather than at the fret. Signature/ Amatus / >> What I find challenging is to occasionally pick up the mandolin and play >> the same strings with frets and a pick. Long notes require steady [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve I would be willing to bet (though not much <G>), that nylgut is a synthetic gut material. In the muzzleloading world, historically correct clothing is desirable. Frontier stitching was not usually done with commercial thread. Sinew was the most common material. Today, we can buy 'artificial sinew' which gives the appearance of the real thing, but it comes in a large spool and is easy to use. (no harvesting the real thing from your deer carcass). :-) D And there's something called nylgut--I don't > think I want to even think how they make that. > Steve > I would be willing to bet (though not much <G>), that nylgut is a > synthetic gut material. In the muzzleloading world, historically [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> Steve Could be. I probably could find out if I wanted to. It is still more expensive than nylon, and I have no idea if the lower strings are wound. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Do you sew your frontier-wear by hand? (I'm thinking about the image in a painting you have on your wall -- ???) Webby > I would be willing to bet (though not much <G>), that nylgut is a > synthetic gut material. In the muzzleloading world, historically [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > Steve I've done some minor work, but that outfit was custom made by a couple who were professionals at the craft. They did have machines to do the stitching of the elk hides. Visible stitching was done by hand. :-) D > Do you sew your frontier-wear by hand? (I'm thinking about the image in > a painting you have on your wall -- ???) > > Webby That is an incredible work of art! I feel very privileged to have seen a picture of it. Amazing... W. :-) > I've done some minor work, but that outfit was custom made by > a couple who were professionals at the craft. They did have [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Webby Especially when you consider the model (had to say that before Dan put in his 2¢ <G>). D > That is an incredible work of art! I feel very privileged to have seen > a picture of it. Amazing... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>>Webby Newbie is going to get his 2-cents-worth in too ... I should know better... what a bunch ... ;-) W. > Especially when you consider the model (had to say that before Dan > put in his 2¢ <G>). [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>> > >>>Webby >? Yeah, that'd be kewl. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >out in a couple of years. I did not realize you guitar guys used softer >woods for the finger boards. Er... Was told by a guitar guru that rosewood was an ebony. I assure you that Pao Ferro is very very hard, but guitar strings are much different than violin strings and don't think that there are any 100 y.o. electric guitar any where on earth. 8^]] You guys do different things with the strings too. Signature/ Amatus / > >>? Yeah, that'd be kewl. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > are much different than violin strings and don't think that there are > any 100 y.o. electric guitar any where on earth. 8^]] I had to have the ebony finger board on my instrument planed flat this past year. 100 years of finger pressure had worn a "valley" in it. Signature/ Amatus / > > And guitars ! [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> >>> Steve > I had to have the ebony finger board on my instrument planed flat this past > year. 100 years of finger pressure had worn a "valley" in it. String instruments have a "radiused" fingerboard, right? (that is, curved from one side to the other), Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Yup. Eventually, these get flattened a bit and develop low spots from constant use. Signature/ Amatus / >> I had to have the ebony finger board on my instrument planed flat this >> past year. 100 years of finger pressure had worn a "valley" in it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > > Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) You know, I was looking at the title of this thread this morning. Didn't you really mean "from one of the elders"? Yes, that might apply to me too... Vaughn (still holding down a job though) In article <l5R5j.212496$kj1.171441@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Vaughn (still holding down a job though) Yes, that would have been a better word choice... but since you set me straight, I it's only fair that all the elder old-timers can stand up now!! ;-)) Webby >> Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Vaughn (still holding down a job though) Mebbe she just left off the preceding letter: "M" <vbseg> Merry Christmas, ya'll, from Tierra del Fuego ! <hehe> > Season's Greetings with my very best wishes! > > Webby, aka "The Webby" ;-) Just a drive-by to say HI!! Hope everyone has a nice holiday. Tim, aka "The Chang"
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