Perhaps your description has lost some details in the re-telling of the
story, but persistent pain like that (and that severe) can be traced to its
source. I assume you have a board certified oral surgeon helping with the
case?
You say " The current option is to cut some of the nerves or perhaps remove
more inflamed gum tissue" But those are not two options for the same pain
in any scenario I can think of.
A lot of discrepancies in the story coupled with a claim that percocet is
not strong enough to relieve pain often will betray a drug seeker. [Perhaps
it is just the missing data from hearing it third hand and over the
internet?]

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> After an injury that knocked out her two upper front teeth (slightly
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> How so? This is a 2 year ongoing battle so I used the term chronic
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Steven Fawks - 27 Nov 2007 01:39 GMT
I have seen one case where #10 was the trigger point for Trigeminal
Neuralgia (even after the tooth was extracted).
Steve
> Perhaps your description has lost some details in the re-telling of the
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> it is just the missing data from hearing it third hand and over the
> internet?]
lowsix@charter.net - 27 Nov 2007 16:16 GMT
I'm sure it has lost some details and I appreciate your concerns
regarding drug seekers. I assure you she's not looking for drugs, but
rather a resolution to the problem. She really doesn't like to take
the percocet as it makes her itchy and sleepy (probably other side
effects she's not relayed to me) and takes probably a small dose daily
in the evening (don't know the dosage offhand). I'll ask the specific
other medications that she takes and post here later today, but for
portions of the day its difficult for me to see her in the pain she's
in, and I know she's frustrated with the lack of a solution after
about 2 years of this.
The dentist clarified that they want to do "sculpting" of the gums in
hopes that this reduces the pain caused by having the temporary
implant in place. He's also suggested that she diligently floss all
the way to the attaching rod in hopes that this reduces the
inflammation. She has made it clear that she's not sure she wants to
do a sculpting as this has already been done once in the past, perhaps
before they initially put the temporary implants in.
As far as cutting nerves and removing gums I agree that these don't
seem like solutions to the problem and thats why I'm concerned as is
my girlfriend. My understanding is that this is an expert in the
field although this _is_ western NC where there aren't as many experts
in any field here, not to diminish his ability, just to point out that
the community is probably much smaller than a larger town so less
resources to draw on. Regardless I am concerned about the approach.
I think the sculpting may hold some validity since prior to the
implants when she had a "flapper"(?) piece in, the pain went away when
it wasn't in indicating that the pain is related to pressure on or
around the area, but I have no idea how to verify that the inflamation
is the source of the pain or if there's not some more serious trauma
inside thats the source of the inflammation and the pain.
I should also note that there have been two doctors/dentists involved
in this and that they are working together on this, one of which is a
bit more of an expert, so I apologize if I've gotten the story
slightly off as it is secondhand.
She pointed out that she's considering contacting a group in a larger
city as she doesn't feel like there's progress here and he is going to
post the problem to some online community he is a member of with
experts throughout the country(world?) so maybe things will move, but
ultimately after 2 years of serious daily pain she is not seeing the
light at the end of the tunnel and thats disturbing.
What I'm really requesting from anyone reading this is ideas of other
approaches that might be overlooked to resolving this (eliminating the
source rather than medicating), and other resources she could turn to
if she decides the current doctor can't resolve this?
Thanks again,
Lou
Amatus Cremona - 27 Nov 2007 17:05 GMT
Lou,
First off, she needs an OMFS to evaluate her, not a GP and not a
self-proclaimed implant specialist.
Any pain that would go away after "gum-sculpting" should not behave as you
describe.
What happens if they take the implant restored crowns off and she exists
with no front teeth for 2-3 days?
Pain from inflammation of the "gums" ?? Yes, it can happen, but to the
degree you describe? I assume the temporary is held in place with screws or
cement (she cannot remove it herself)?

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> I'm sure it has lost some details and I appreciate your concerns
> regarding drug seekers. I assure you she's not looking for drugs, but
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lowsix@charter.net - 27 Nov 2007 22:24 GMT
I'll ask her respond on some of this directly to this group as I only
know so many of the details.
I checked online and saw that her doctor is in fact well certified in
OMFS having written at least one book and been an adjuct professor
with at least one university OMFS department so we seem to be okay
there.
My guess is that with the implants removed the pain would go away
based on the fact that the pain was only there when the removable
"flipper"(?) was in and only became constant when they moved to
temporary implants. I believe that the implants are cemented in and
not something she can remove herself.
What causes gum inflammation? Is there possibly another source of the
problem and the inflammation is a side effect? Why would the
inflammation be there so long after the original trauma? I have some
more questions for her and maybe we'll learn more as she's gone back
to the doc clearly stating how she feels about the progress or lack
thereof. Thanks for your input here as there's much to know about
this and its hard to tell if this is the correct path or not.
Are there other options for second opinions, or good places you could
suggest to go to get them?
Thanks again,
Lou
Amatus Cremona - 27 Nov 2007 23:53 GMT
I would suggest a second opinion from another OMFS in a different city.

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> Lou