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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2007What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum?
What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum? > What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in > the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum? If its the gums next to a silver filling, sometimes the minerals in the filling can diffuse into the adjacent soft tissue gums and create a more grey/black or have even seen a darker brown colour to the adjacent gums. I have never seen it as purple in colour. This is not necessarily because an actual piece of the filling material is jammed in to the gums...it can occur even if the filling is in the tooth but just beside the gums. If this is what you are talking about, we call it an "amalgam tattoo". But, can't tell for sure without see it. Best to get is checked by a dentist to be sure. John > > What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in > > the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > John Thank you John ! Where a drop of filling material falls onto the soft gum tissue during the filling procedure, what is known or debated regarding leaching into the body of the mineral compounds in filling material?... Because gum tissue is soft tissue unlike a tooth, could there be leaching of the mineral compounds from the amalgam tattoo into the body over time?... and the filling material embedding into the soft gum tissue. >> > What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in >> > the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the mineral compounds from the amalgam tattoo into the body over > time?... and the filling material embedding into the soft gum tissue. Keep in mind, I never said you had an amalgam tattoo....you need a dentist to tell you for sure, so don't assume you have one. Amalgam tattoos occur over a very long period of time (ie years), not just when a piece of amalgam falls on the gums during the procedure and is sucked up the suction before you leave the office. As for the leaching into the systemic circulation, ask several reputable toxicologists, and not internet lurkers claiming to be experts. John I was under the impression that amalgam tattoos were primarily from a high speed pulverizing and old amalgam and blasting the particles into the tissues, not from leaching of metals over time. D > Amalgam tattoos occur over a very long period of time (ie years), not just > when a piece of amalgam falls on the gums during the procedure and is sucked > up the suction before you leave the office. > I was under the impression that amalgam tattoos were primarily from > a high speed pulverizing and old amalgam and blasting the particles > into the tissues, not from leaching of metals over time. > > D That's news to me. I've seen situations where you have virgin premolars with amalgam tattoos around them. The primary teeth did have amalgams, but were placed only once before the teeth exfoliated (molars didn't have amalgam ever in them). Perhaps it can be caused by both situations. John > >> > What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in > >> > the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum? > >> > >> If its the gums next to a silver filling, sometimes the minerals in the > >> filling can diffuse into the adjacent soft tissue gums and create a more > >> grey/black or have even seen a darker brown colour to the adjacent gums. Your representing yourself as an expert here. Why don't you say it's composed of Hg. Next exactly how much Hg is released from ANY amalgam or ANY tatto. > >> I > >> have never seen it as purple in colour. This is not necessarily because [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> even if the filling is in the tooth but just beside the gums. If this is > >> what you are talking about, we call it an "amalgam tattoo". But, can't Anything to avoid the word mercury > >> tell > >> for sure without see it. Best to get is checked by a dentist to be sure. > Keep in mind, I never said you had an amalgam tattoo....you need a dentist > to tell you for sure, so don't assume you have one. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As for the leaching into the systemic circulation, ask several reputable > toxicologists, and not internet lurkers claiming to be experts. Interesting, first your supposed to be the expert, are you saying you and your dental pals aren't. Your the one that puts that material in peoples mouths and represents yourself as an expert. Why don't you answer the question. What do you tell your patients. Ya, I'm putting this leaking thing in your mouth that is giving of Hg but I don't know anything about it. Second you give the impression that toxicologists have said fillings and tattoos are safe, but that's false,check the WHO report, check out the findings of the last FDA dental hearings!! But that is very careful wording. You never actually said amalgams or tattos were safe regarding Hg. You simply deliberately gave the impression, that a mysterious consetllation of "experts" in toxicology land endorses the safety of Hg release from amalgam without saying so. It is intersting how the ADA and FDA ran their charade in the past. First they do no real research. Then they claim they are the experts because they are composed of dentists and that therefore fillings are safe. Then they actually ignore toxicologists. Do you think FDA dental determines policy based on toxicolgy? LOL . If FDA dental determined it's policy based on a panel of toxicologists, dental advocates would be in heaven. Nowadays FDA dental claims the science is in a state of flux and the ADA cries to the judge in court, gee your honor we are just a trade organization expressing or own wittle humble opinion that Hg release from amalgam never hurt a fly. In fact the last time an FDA panel met they said that fillings were not found to be safe. But that won't stop you dentists from implying that "exer > John Amalgam tattoos occur when some amalgam dust (or particles) get into a cut or abrasion in the soft tissues during a filling placement or removal. Typically due to the patient suddenly deciding (un-consciously) that they have to swallow, close or raise their tongue for some reason, and hit the spinning bur with the tissue below the tongue. This causes a small scrape in the tissues where this dust can enter--sometimes.  Signature/ Amatus / > >>> > What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > John > Amalgam tattoos occur when some amalgam dust (or particles) get into a cut > or abrasion in the soft tissues during a filling placement or removal. > Typically due to the patient suddenly deciding (un-consciously) that they > have to swallow, close or raise their tongue for some reason, and hit the > spinning bur with the tissue below the tongue. So you are saying that amalgam tattos cannot be caused by mercury/ alloy leakage from fillings. I thought above, this process was supposed to "take years". I am not saying by the way that most tattos (which I have never had) leaks huge amounts of Hg. I only had deep unexplained metallic stains on my front teeth for years. But don't you think that the patient should be aware that 1) Common sense dictates that a tatto, even if it is mostly amalgam particles will release some elemental Hg, just like amalgam 2) I would surmize based on the available evidence that tatto's can form from slow leakage from an amalgam over time. Now say there is a galvanic reactiion between two amalgams, couldn't that cause a tatto. You know what really pisses me off? I know two ladies that developed tattos, a dentist drilled into their filling and they ended up in the hospital. Do you know that all amalgams aren't the same? Then you dentists are sitting here all calm and collected acting like their is no connection between a tatto and amalgam breakdown, instability, / Hg release. Like you EVEN CARE. There is EVERY connection. Regardless of whether 9 times out of 10 the dentist doesnt stuff the amalgam right and spills some amalgam material into the tissue which may be relatively inert, THE QUESTION is, Can an amalgam tatto, be indicative of long term Hg release from a filling? Because this patient doesn't really know what is causing his tatto and neither do you! by the way are you aware that macrophages can act on a tatto and break it down into elemental Hg and that if amalgam particles are swallowed in the stomach, research shows that the stomach can break down amalgam particles. I guess they don't teach that in dental school either? This causes a small scrape > in the tissues where this dust can enter--sometimes. > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > > John |
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