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Getting implant, bone graft or not?

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Matt - 24 Sep 2007 03:16 GMT
Hi everyone,

I met with two oral surgeons recently to discuss implants. One
recommended a bone graft (human cadaver source) at the same time as
the extraction (of #19), the other felt grafting wasn't necessary.

Any advice as to decide on which one to go with?  I suppose I could
get a third opinion but the consults are $90 a pop!

Thank you,

Matt
Steven Bornfeld - 24 Sep 2007 04:00 GMT
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    Either or both could be right.  Your restorative dentist should help
you with this one.  Sometimes a surgeon will place the fixture where the
bone is, and not necessarily where the restored tooth is wanted.  A
fixture not optimally placed for where the tooth is desired can
sometimes be used anyway--there can be a workaround, but the result
won't be as good as if the fixture is placed in an ideal location.
Getting it in the right location may be why one surgeon thinks you need
a bone graft.
    Or not.  In any case, your dentist might wish both surgeons to explain
their rationale.

Steve
Matt - 25 Sep 2007 15:15 GMT
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Thanks Steve. I will try to get more clarification from everyone
involved. I'd hate to compromise the implant area in any way.
Something about having human cadaver bone as a source makes me lean
towords not grafting, yet I know that thought is completely
irrational!

Thanks,

Matt
Amatus Cremona - 25 Sep 2007 15:38 GMT
Often you get a much better result with implants after grafting.  Cadaver
bone grafting uses freeze dried bone with is devoid of organic material.
There is also grafting potential with artificial bone and bone harvested
from elsewhere in your own mouth.  Without grafting, you often will end up
with the implant positioned lower in the bone and off to one side.  Makes it
very hard (if not impossible) to get normal "gum" contours afterwards.

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Newbie - 25 Sep 2007 17:47 GMT
>Often you get a much better result with implants after grafting.  Cadaver
>bone grafting uses freeze dried bone with is devoid of organic material.
>There is also grafting potential with artificial bone and bone harvested
>from elsewhere in your own mouth.  Without grafting, you often will end up
>with the implant positioned lower in the bone and off to one side.  Makes it
>very hard (if not impossible) to get normal "gum" contours afterwards.

OK, yeah that's it. No organics just mineral.
Matt - 25 Sep 2007 20:13 GMT
Thanks Amatus. It sounds like grafting may be the best way to go. An
implant positioned lower in the jaw sounds like there would also be an
increased risk of hitting a nerve, which I really don't want to
happen! So maybe the grafting kills two birds with one stone in a
sense.

Thanks,

Matt

>Often you get a much better result with implants after grafting.  Cadaver
>bone grafting uses freeze dried bone with is devoid of organic material.
>There is also grafting potential with artificial bone and bone harvested
>from elsewhere in your own mouth.  Without grafting, you often will end up
>with the implant positioned lower in the bone and off to one side.  Makes it
>very hard (if not impossible) to get normal "gum" contours afterwards.
Newbie - 25 Sep 2007 17:40 GMT
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IIRC that "human cadaver bone" is demineralized and sterile.
It just provides a lattice work for your own bone to build on and
eventually resorb/replace it completely.

Think there are synthetic grafting materials, bet they are
more expensive.
Amatus Cremona - 24 Sep 2007 13:18 GMT
What does your GP say?

I would need to see photos and x-ray images to comment.

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Matt - 25 Sep 2007 15:09 GMT
>What does your GP say?
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>I would need to see photos and x-ray images to comment.

Hi Amatus, GP wasn't sure and said to follow advice of oral surgeon I
was reffered to. My GP has an oral surgeon on site, but he does not do
grafts or implants, maybe thats why the GP really didn't comment
specifically. I'll try to find an x-ray.

Thanks,

Matt
JimSocal - 29 Oct 2007 21:48 GMT
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I can't tell you how the specifics of your case relate to mine, but I
had a bone graft on the upper right where my sinuses had caused a loss
of bone somehow.

They scraped bone from my jaw bone and put it up there.
Apparently it has worked out. I still am waiting to have the crown
installed but the implants they put there (2) *seem* fine at this
point (about 10 months after implanting).

Scraping the bone was rather traumatic even though I was well numbed.
But afterwards, man, it hurt for a few days as I recall! Definitely
hurt a lot for a day or two. But such is life. It passed.

And if you need it you need it.
ChadG4453 - 24 Sep 2007 18:22 GMT
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