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Front teeth have drifted. How expensive?

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taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 13 Sep 2007 00:09 GMT
I'm 44 and received orthodontic treatment in my teens. However, the
bottom canine and 4 front teeth have drifted to the left.(this
happened shortly after ortho work complete). My top teeth are perfect.
How expensive would it be to push these teeth back. Is there something
i can buy off the shelf? thanks
Dartos - 13 Sep 2007 16:04 GMT
IME, probably a year or two back in braces.  Nothing OTC will
do the job.

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> I'm 44 and received orthodontic treatment in my teens. However, the
> bottom canine and 4 front teeth have drifted to the left.(this
> happened shortly after ortho work complete). My top teeth are perfect.
> How expensive would it be to push these teeth back. Is there something
> i can buy off the shelf? thanks
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 14 Sep 2007 03:30 GMT
> IME, probably a year or two back in braces.  Nothing OTC will
> do the job.
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Ok, thanks:) Any unbiased layperson out there. An elastic band is all
it would need right?
Steven Fawks - 14 Sep 2007 13:41 GMT
> Ok, thanks:) Any unbiased layperson out there. An elastic band is all
> it would need right?

What are you going to anchor it to and how are you going to direct the
force?  Aren't other teeth touching these teeth?  Might they have to
adjusted to get these 4-5 teeth upright again?

But don't let me stop you.  Knock yourself out.

;-)
Steve
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 15 Sep 2007 00:27 GMT
> taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Ok, thanks:) Any unbiased layperson out there. An elastic band is all
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> ;-)
> Steve

It seems like a simple problem to fix. The 5 teeth have drifted to
left and hit the canine on other side. The five teeth are all
straight. Please, someone help me out. I dont like negative comments
from Dentists who make money doing this. The other doctors in canada
dont charge anything.
Ash - 15 Sep 2007 00:36 GMT
> It seems like a simple problem to fix. The 5 teeth have drifted to
> left and hit the canine on other side. The five teeth are all
> straight. Please, someone help me out. I dont like negative comments
> from Dentists who make money doing this. The other doctors in canada
> dont charge anything.

I personally don't think it has to do with whether or not the doctors
on this forum are making money.  The truth is, when teeth have
shifted, orthodontic treatment is necessary to correct it, and it's
extremely difficult to estimate the potential cost of your treatment
without being able to see and analyze your particular case.
The practice I work for offers no-charge consultations, at which point
you may decide if you are interested in what they have to offer, and
talk cost with their treatment coordinators.  There just isn't a way
"the average do-it-yourself Joe" can shift a string of 5 teeth by
something they rig up themselves.  You also won't find anything on the
general market that can do this for you because there is virtually no
way to move teeth without knowing where they are and where they are
supposed to go.
Do see an orthodontist about your issue.  If you are going to a really
honest, reputable one, there usually won't be a charge for your
initial consultation with them, and scheduling an appointment there
will save you from searching on a forum for answers from doctors who
truly can't help you, because they have no way of analyzing you, and
there isn't anything on the mass market that can move teeth.
Hope this helps,

Ash
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 15 Sep 2007 01:28 GMT
> > It seems like a simple problem to fix. The 5 teeth have drifted to
> > left and hit the canine on other side. The five teeth are all
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> Ash

Thanks for the detailed answer. I have crest white strips on as we
speak. Of couse they cant work becaue only dentists are smart.
Newbie@bix.nex - 15 Sep 2007 01:47 GMT
> I have crest white strips on as we
>speak. Of couse they cant work becaue only dentists are smart.

Maybe you should buy some *Crest Orthodontic Strips* ?
Ash - 17 Sep 2007 20:31 GMT
On Sep 14, 8:28 pm, taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > It seems like a simple problem to fix. The 5 teeth have drifted to
> > > left and hit the canine on other side. The five teeth are all
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> Thanks for the detailed answer. I have crest white strips on as we
> speak. Of couse they cant work becaue only dentists are smart.

Your welcome for the answer, but i'm not really sure where you're
going with your response, since whitestrips aren't the issue. If you
were going for sarcasm, feel free to not direct it at me.  I
personally believe that I have given you the most thorough and
thoughtful response so far on this thread, and I sincerely hope you
can get the treatment you require to have the teeth you want.
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 17 Sep 2007 21:20 GMT
> On Sep 14, 8:28 pm, taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Thanks:) I do appreciate it. sorry for sarcasm.
Newbie@bix.nex - 15 Sep 2007 01:13 GMT
>> taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Ok, thanks:) Any unbiased layperson out there. An elastic band is all
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>from Dentists who make money doing this. The other doctors in canada
>dont charge anything.

If it's so simple then why do orthodontists have to first get a dental
degree and then attend post-doctoral training to specialize ?

There's no such thing as a free lunch boy, grow up already.
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 15 Sep 2007 01:26 GMT
On Sep 14, 5:13 pm, New...@bix.nex wrote:
> >> taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > Ok, thanks:) Any unbiased layperson out there. An elastic band is all
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If you start a monopoly organization and keep the supply of dentists
low, it is basically free money.
Newbie@bix.nex - 15 Sep 2007 01:38 GMT
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>If you start a monopoly organization and keep the supply of dentists
>low, it is basically free money.

Sure,

Education, food, rent, electricity, water, salaries, supplies,
telephones, computers,     etc...
That stuff is all free, right ?

By your narrow minded definition plumbers, carpenters,
masons, roofers, electricians make *free* money.
Even these trades require a license to own a business.
Yes they hire trainees, and journey men.
Those workers expect to get paid for their work to support
their own families.

Even a hair stylist or barber needs a license and has
overhead.

Do you go to the grocery store without money ?
Or should food be free too ?

Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism junior.
Steven Fawks - 15 Sep 2007 02:28 GMT
 I dont like negative comments
> from Dentists who make money doing this.

Kanada has nothing to do with the question.

I don't make *any* money on cases such as yours (I refer them to
an orthodontist).

Steve
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 15 Sep 2007 04:47 GMT
> taxthis2...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Steve

Maybe youd make some money if you didnt waste your time on the net???
If i was a dentist, the last thing i would do is talk about dentistry
on the net unless i was retired or something.
Steven Fawks - 15 Sep 2007 12:49 GMT
> Maybe youd make some money if you didnt waste your time on the net???
> If i was a dentist, the last thing i would do is talk about dentistry
> on the net unless i was retired or something.

If there weren't some honest, caring professionals here, who would you
have to give a hard time? <G>

Dentistry is a demanding, difficult, and stressful 'job'.  However, it
is also a good paying, well respected, and fulfilling profession.

Yes, I could make more money by being at the office more hours and
working harder and faster while I am there.  What would be the point?
While I am certainly not 'rich', my home and office are paid for.
My youngest child is a senior in college.  I don't think another
8 or 10 hours at the office are going to make me happier.  I think
it would just increase the stress on my heart, back, and mind.

I don't know how old you are, or what you do (or plan to do) for
a career.  I do know that it helps when you don't hate your job.
It is also a good idea to not have to slave away so many hours
that you are burning up your creativity and stamina.

We could continue to trade barbs for several more posts, but it
probably won't change your mind of what you believe 'us' to be.

I wish you well,
Steve
Amatus Cremona - 17 Sep 2007 14:14 GMT
Hey Steve, hows the Mustang running?

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Steven Fawks - 17 Sep 2007 18:19 GMT
> Hey Steve, hows the Mustang running?

Which one?

<G>
Steve
Amatus Cremona - 17 Sep 2007 18:17 GMT
The one with the "pony interior"

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>> Hey Steve, hows the Mustang running?
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> Which one?
>
> <G>
> Steve
Steven Fawks - 18 Sep 2007 03:00 GMT
> The one with the "pony interior"

Neither the '66 or '67 have the pony interior and I have been remiss
in taking them out for exercise.  The '99 Saleen does have ponies on
the seats and I have 'warmed' it up a few times this summer <G>.

I'm probably going to sell the '67 since I just bought another
money pit...I mean boat (1990 23' Wellcraft cuddy, I'm not paying
$40K for a new one!).

;-)
Steve
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2007 06:07 GMT
shows drift in lower front teeth
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0100cx0.jpg

teeth closed. what the world normally sees when I smile.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6108/img0099yq9.jpg

shows how the upper and lower canines meet.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7452/img0098qr6.jpg

Please, if you are an orthodontist, comment on my drifting teeth. Why
would I go through the torture of getting my teeth straightened as a
kid only to let them drift and let this be like this for 25 yrs. Why
did no one ever tell me . WHy didnt I even notice???
Amatus Cremona - 18 Sep 2007 11:49 GMT
Laterals are pushed out by the lower teeth.  Centrals have opened up a
diastema consistent with being pushed out by the lower teeth.

CLENCHER

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> shows drift in lower front teeth
> http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0100cx0.jpg
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> kid only to let them drift and let this be like this for 25 yrs. Why
> did no one ever tell me . WHy didnt I even notice???
taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2007 20:49 GMT
Do you mean upper teeth have pushed laterals? Does lateral mean
canine? I am a nervous person if that is what you mean by clencher.
Thanks for your fast response.:)

> Laterals are pushed out by the lower teeth.  Centrals have opened up a
> diastema consistent with being pushed out by the lower teeth.
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Amatus Cremona - 18 Sep 2007 20:56 GMT
A clencher will squeeze upper and lower teeth together with great force,
especially while sleeping.  If the clencher only has vertical force, the
person tends to wake up with headaches and get a few migraines every month.
If the clencher squeezes and works the lower jaw side to side (very common),
they will crack teeth, break fillings, split off hunks of teeth, etc.  If
the clencher squeezes and works forward and back with the lower jaw, they
will gradually push the upper front teeth forward.  This typically will open
up gaps between teeth as well as tipping the front teeth outward.

The teeth next to your cuspids are tipped out and I remember seeing small
gaps between teeth on the image.  The image with your teeth touching shows
the lower teeth in perfect position to push and tip these laterals out.

Teeth do NOT move just for the fun of it.  Something has to push (or pull)
them.

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> Do you mean upper teeth have pushed laterals? Does lateral mean
> canine? I am a nervous person if that is what you mean by clencher.
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taxthis2007@yahoo.com - 19 Sep 2007 00:08 GMT
> A clencher will squeeze upper and lower teeth together with great force,
> especially while sleeping.  If the clencher only has vertical force, the
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Interesting. I didnt even realize I had problems with my top teeth. Do
you have any comment on how my bottom teeth have drifted to the
left(and out) leaving a gap(almost big enough for a tooth) beside the
right bottom canine? Thanks again:)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/148/img0087rz8.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9717/img0080pz4.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1677/img0098up8.jpg
Amatus Cremona - 20 Sep 2007 11:46 GMT
Not without a set of plaster models in my hands.

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>> A clencher will squeeze upper and lower teeth together with great force,
>> especially while sleeping.  If the clencher only has vertical force, the
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> http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1677/img0098up8.jpg
 
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