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Joyce-MN - 09 Sep 2007 11:53 GMT
Is this the "norm" that a dentist has the permanent denture (in this
case just the upper denture) made right away after taking impressions.
Why don't they let your wear a temp. one first to be sure it fits and
looks good.  Joyce
George - 09 Sep 2007 15:59 GMT
> Is this the "norm" that a dentist has the permanent denture (in this
> case just the upper denture) made right away after taking impressions.
> Why don't they let your wear a temp. one first to be sure it fits and
> looks good.  Joyce

The norm usually is to do a try-in stage after taking the final
impressions. During the try-in the acrylic teeth have been set on a
wax base letting you evaluate appearance, occlusion and retention
before you proceed to finishing the denture if you're happy with those
details. Since the base for the try-in denture is wax, you can't
really take it home with you but you get an idea of what the finished
denture is going to be like.
No such thing as a temp denture I'm afraid.

Regards,
George
Joyce-MN - 09 Sep 2007 17:42 GMT
She did the impressions and in two weeks (about) I went back and the
denture was sitting there waiting for me to wear home.  I really liked
the way they shaped the teeth and it did fit good.  She told me to wear
them for 2 weeks and come back and if there was ANYTHING I DIDN'T LIKE
THEY WOULD CHANGE IT.  I went back and told her she did an excellent job
on the shaping and fitting but I told her it was still hard to chew
without it scrapping on my bottom crowns (both denture and bottom are
porcelain). I am not sure yet but they might not be matching exactly
where I am always thinking about where to bite especially with very
small amount of food in my mouth.  They felt real rough on the denture
and sometimes when eating it sounded like when you scratch a nail across
a chalk board.  I thought maybe it would take time for it to smooth out.
She found some sharp edges and took care of that.  Then also I asked her
if it was possible to make the back of the denture wider so they would
touch the inside of my cheek so it would feel like my face wasn't
drooping and I would have that FEELING OF MORE SUPPORT.  Of course she
blamed that onto "old age".  I would put little pieces of paper towels
around my back teeth to bring them out farther to see how it felt and it
changed the way it felt and I didn't have that "pulled down" feeling and
I felt I had more control of my facial expressions and the support it
gave. My original teeth came out farther and that  I guess I sure do
miss that part of it.  I must mention I have had some real bad dental
experience and have been working with anything or anyone I can think of
to undo what these first dentists did to me.  I was made deals with 2
more dentists since and they left me stranded - The first one admitted
after maybe a year,for one thing. they made my crowns (upper & lower)
too long but gave me the run around and wouldn't do them over since they
first told me they would if anything went wrong.  The next dentist was
re-doing the  upper crowns and while wearing the  temp teeth he wouldn't
finish them.  (another unbelievable store in itself).  Trying to
function and think thru my pain it took one year to get to someone else
who might help me.   A long story.  Anther one just took my money and
told me not to come back .  So here is where  I am and I really like
this dentist - the first one who does show concern. Sorry this is so
long, but too, she said come back in 2 weeks but she said they couldn't
add on to this denture  they would have to make a whole new denture.  I
was afraid to ask at the time even tho my son was with me, but I THOUGHT
probably I WOULD HAVE TO PAY for a whole new denture in that case. I
just can't take any more confrontations with dentists and doctors - all
I want is to get my money's worth and to feel a little bit of who I
always was before these first dentists did me in.  Thru all this I got
chronic pain 24/7 throughout my whole body and I worked for a good 15
years, when I could see it was finally paying off to get rid of this
pain,  I got over my chronic pain but now I still have this balance
problem when I walk and am still going all over trying to find help for
that.  Even tho I am getting to that age where this can happen.   Seems
like the only help I get is chiro, muscle massages and trying to figure
out what to work on next.  This teeth process and pain was all new to me
and I was not getting any answers but criticism so I was fighting
something I didn't know what I was fighting.   I lost my job, I had to
sell my house.  I did conquered the pain, (I am pain free where my whole
body was full of pain for 15-20 years) so I feel why not try to find the
answer to this also.  I lost 20 years because of this and want to try to
make up for it before I die.  thx for listening - sorry so long. Would
appreciate an answer on what they do as far as if they make another
denture for me - is that my responsibility financially??? I still need
so many anwers cuz it happens to still be important to me even tho no
one else seems to care that much.   Joyce
George - 09 Sep 2007 21:01 GMT
I won't delve into what you can or you can't do to solve your issues
with your current dentist; this is between you and her and depends on
what the problem is and if it is addressable or if it was foreseeable.
Unfortunately I have no way to peek into your mouth through my
computer monitor half the world away, so any info delivered through
this forum is more of a general nature.
Now, if there are no matching exactly as you said, the dentist may
have to so some occlusal adjustments by slightly grinding/easing the
teeth on the denture. Dentures are made on a plaster cast which is
never a 100% accurate depiction of your mouth - some amount of
information is always lost similar to what happens with a photocopy
and the original material. Sometimes a difficult case may require
several sessions of adjustments before it feels ok.
About the fact that your natural teeth were coming out more, a denture
needs to serve two functions: esthetics and function. You may have a
denture that looks fantastic but pops out everytime you try to eat. Or
you may have a denture able to chew through the toughest stakes but
doesn't look so good. The successful denture is the one that
compromises between esthetics and function. Unfortunately, we cannot
place teeth on the denture anywhere we like. Your natural teeth have
roots anchoring them to your jaws, but a denture is not nailed in your
jaws. The teeth on the denture must be placed on locations that
balance with each other, so that the denture is not displaced when you
try to eat. A popular saying among dentists is that "a denture is not
a good substitute for natural teeth, but it's way better than having
no teeth".
If the teeth on the denture can indeed be placed more outwards without
compomising stability (this is something that your dentist must
assess), there is a possibility something can be done without going
through all stages again. If the denture base is satisfactory, perhaps
the teeth in question can be stripped from the denture, new teeth
added for a try-in and then processed if the try-in is ok. But if the
teeth are already in the correct locations for a denture, I'm afraid
you will have to learn to get used to that.

Regards,
George
Joyce-MN - 10 Sep 2007 02:21 GMT
I really really want this to work (I guess just like every other dental
patient on THEIR  problem).  I put so much going this alone into getting
this far that when they told me after the final denture was completed
and I could wear them home the Assistant said come back in two weeks and
if you WANT ANY CHANGES, WE WILL CHANGE IT FOR YOU.  I guess I didn't
know as to what extent they meant.   They know how terribly afraid I was
of getting a change in dentures because of  my past experience with
dentists that they would tell me one thing and then do something else
and when it didn't turn out right I was told I would  have to live with
it.  So I really fell for this and now when we did go back she said
about the making it wider in back that that would mean a NEW DENTURE.
They don't  tell you anything ahead of time or what I am trying to say
we as  patients don't know what to expect until it is completely done
and then it's a whole new ballgame - that we pretty much have to live
with it.  Oh, I know you guys can't help me - I am blowing off steam
because those who have seen me in person have said they can't help me
either.  I suppose they don't want to go into someone elses mess.  I
suppose that was why the dentists, doctors and my work thought I should
be going straight to the nut house and sitting in front of the
psychiatrist as, yes, I was acting strange and felt I was beginning to
go nuts cuz of the way they changed my bite and then made my teeth to
long and then  told me to stay out of it cuz they knew what they were
doing.  It felt like my teeth was going in the wrong direction plus I
had to pry my mouth open for I don't know how long.  Again I should
never have started cuz I know no one wants to hear but its like anyone
else who  has been hurt badly thru death or whatever, I keep thinking I
need a closure on this and stupid ole me don't know what more I can do
and just keep hoping I will find that closure by chance .  Joyce-MN
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Sep 2007 22:13 GMT
>> Is this the "norm" that a dentist has the permanent denture (in this
>> case just the upper denture) made right away after taking impressions.
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> Regards,
> George

    In the olden days (even before my little-baby dentist days), when a
patient was being fitted for a full denture, the first one would be an
immediate denture.  After 6-12 months a second denture was made (this is
folkloric information, handed down to me by grizzled veterans who never
wore gloves, owned one belt-driven handpiece and used boiling water to
"sterilize" instruments>
    The immediate denture was considered a "temporary denture" because it
was, well--temporary.
    Lab fees were lower, and insurance was scarce or nonexistant.

Steve
Steven Fawks - 10 Sep 2007 04:55 GMT
If I could spell it, I would say, "Au contrare mon frer".

I always make a temp plate as the immediate denture and take
new impressions 6 months after extractions for the final
prosthesis.

:-)
Steve

> No such thing as a temp denture I'm afraid.
>
> Regards,
> George
Joyce-MN - 10 Sep 2007 05:06 GMT
Steve - OMG, Without thinking twice, I wish I had you as my dentist.  I
wish you had been my dentist 20 years ago when all this went wrong. But
I am curious what all those words mean you started out with. (is it
French, I suppose).  Joyce-MN
Dartos - 10 Sep 2007 14:16 GMT
It's probably not spelled right, but it means 'on the contrary my friend'.

In dental school (75-79) I was taught to make the immediate denture
as the finished denture, and reline/rebase this plate at about
6 months.

Most of them worked out "OK", but the fit was rarely as good as I
could get by taking new impressions and starting over.  I spent a
little time visiting and learning from an older prosthodontist in
Kansas City.  He used this technique.

Where I practice, dentures are still very common options for many
people.

I decided to adopt Dr. Beckley's approach and raised my fee to cover
the cost of the temporary plate.  I don't think it hurt my business,
because I still have all the denture cases that I would like.

JMO,
D

> Steve - OMG, Without thinking twice, I wish I had you as my dentist.  I
> wish you had been my dentist 20 years ago when all this went wrong. But
> I am curious what all those words mean you started out with. (is it
> French, I suppose).  Joyce-MN  
Newbie - 10 Sep 2007 15:17 GMT
>It's probably not spelled right, but it means 'on the contrary my friend'.
>
>In dental school (75-79) I was taught to make the immediate denture
>as the finished denture, and reline/rebase this plate at about
>6 months.
Same here.
Think it largely depends on the number of extractions on
how successful the 'one shot' can be.
Ususally take all molars and most bi's (depends on occl.)
Let that heal for a while before taking an impression.

>Most of them worked out "OK", but the fit was rarely as good as I
>could get by taking new impressions and starting over.  I spent a
>little time visiting and learning from an older prosthodontist in
>Kansas City.  He used this technique.

Rarely have to remake immediates, but there are some.
Guess it depends on how good the impression is and how
good is the lab.
Been using the same removable lab for ~20 yrs now.
Consistent quality and we work *together* on cases.

>Where I practice, dentures are still very common options for many
>people.

Have one of those 'denture mills' nearby.
End up fixing alot of their screw ups by starting from scratch.

>I decided to adopt Dr. Beckley's approach and raised my fee to cover
>the cost of the temporary plate.  I don't think it hurt my business,
>because I still have all the denture cases that I would like.

Interesting.

>JMO,
>D
Amatus Cremona - 10 Sep 2007 14:22 GMT
Actually, Dr. Turbyfil teaches such a technique

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>> Is this the "norm" that a dentist has the permanent denture (in this
>> case just the upper denture) made right away after taking impressions.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Regards,
> George
Newbie - 10 Sep 2007 15:29 GMT
>Actually, Dr. Turbyfil teaches such a technique

Though I have heard this from another doc in town,
would be very reluctant to send a wax try-in home with
a patient.

Too many things could go wrong IMO.
George - 10 Sep 2007 19:43 GMT
> Actually, Dr. Turbyfil teaches such a technique
>
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> > Regards,
> > George

Really? How can a patient use the wax try-in to let's say eat? I would
be afraid he could swallow a couple of teeth...

Regards,
George
Newbie - 10 Sep 2007 21:16 GMT
>> Actually, Dr. Turbyfil teaches such a technique
>>
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>Regards,
>George

The way I heard it was to instruct thepatient to not eat or
sleep with them.

The evaluation is only supposed to be for appearance and speech,
by family and/or  friends. And for only one day.

Not too keen on the idea myself.
Joyce-MN - 10 Sep 2007 23:33 GMT
To start out with it was all about crowns.  I had to wear a "splint" for
6 months before to change my bite.  There was never any discussions face
to face on the condition of my bite.  There were x-rays, etc and the
dentist, my insurance company and my workplace & I talked about on how
long this and that would take and how much I would pay and how much my
Ins. would pay and exactly when to pay it each month.  I remember after
that time nothing was said until just 10 minutes before he started
filing down my first tooth, he said "you stay out of it, we know what we
are doing".  What a convenient  time for his sake to bring this up.  I
think that was the beginning of the end for me right there.  I was alone
and too far into this that I could not get up and walk away, I didn't
think and never dreamed I would be having to go thru this unnecessary
hell the rest of my life.  I was wearing something temporary and during
a dinner my work had and sitting at a long table with my co-workers and
bosses, I did lose a tooth - didn't swallow it, it fell in my plate.
This was just one embarrassing thing that happening in trying to get
different teeth in my mouth to satisfy them (not me).  They took control
over my whole being.  Eventually, I lost it (almost). I was in such a
fog trying to deal with this pain and teeth in my mouth, trying to hold
down my job (without a job I had no income) and teeth so long  that felt
like they  should have gone in a horses mouth.  I had short teeth and he
put in long teeth within a  months time and I could not adjust to them
evidently.    I was living in so much pain in my face and neck and like
I said it seemed to throw my whole body off eventually, I think to try
to compensate for the pain in my mouth and my jaws.  I would then
started tightening up my whole body when anyone would approach me as my
work was giving me hell for not doing my job.  I got to where I couldn't
remember to many things. (I was a secretary at a large company).  I
would take a message over the phone and had to rewrite it 3 times before
i could get it legible.  I would go out to eat with the girls at lunch
time and end up just sitting there staring into space with my hand over
my cheek cuz it hurt so bad.  Of course none of them understood what the
heck I was talking about when I mentioned the pain in the face and must
have thought I was really going off the deep end.  I would complain to
the dentist and it just went over his head and we got into arguments.
Again, I didn't know enough about it to know what questions to ask or to
know what to expect right off the bat or what was to eventually
straighten itself out.  Down the road the one prominent doctor (maybe
neurologist- I had been to plenty of them).  This one said I had
Fibromyalgia.  By this time I had heard of this.  And by this time I had
gotten my Webtv and found a TMJ Group.  As expected all my tests came
out negative seemed like for anything I took.  After the crowning of the
teeth it felt like my whole face had fallen and I felt I didn't have
that automatic smile anymore - to me it felt like he shoved my teeth
half way down my throat and I had no support.  I think now that I am
able to sort things out and pinpoint different problems that I feel I
need this upper denture to come out further to my cheek  so i have that
support.  I was left with so many problems before I couldn't pinpoint
anyone thing what was wrong.  AND, now I wonder about this bite - if my
mouth/teeth should go straight up and down when I chew or upper rub
across the lower ones???  On top of everything else as much as I do like
this new dentist, she is from China or Viet Namese (sp).  It wasn't so
noticeable because she had her assistant from the U.S. there to do most
the talking where after I got the permanent denture, she was alone with
us and I was just worn out trying to understand some very important
things she maybe was telling us and for me to try to get across to her
how I felt.  I just don't know what my "rights as a patient is" and its
like its a secret and i don't want to cause anymore hard feelings.  I
was left with being so misunderstood and hard feelings over all this by
so many people.  Theres enough problems in this world, I just need for
this to go smoothly.  I had two bad marriages and ended up raising 6
kids alone and I was going to finally have a life of my own then I get
the word that these teeth have to be done or else.  My problem then was
just that I put tension in my jaw and, yes, my teeth were worn down
otherwise not much problem with my teeth.  After all the bad marriages
and raising the kids, sorry to say  these  dentists were the ones who
BROUGHT ME TO MY KNEES.  it was tho they took my control away from me
and this was something no one can fix themselves so I had no choice at
the time.  Funny, even my grandchildren know.  One bought me a pin for
my last birthday saying "I've Survived Damn Near Everything".  I told
her i was going to wear it on my purse for ever  and I would carry it
to my grave.  Joyce-MN
Mary - 11 Sep 2007 04:02 GMT
> otherwise not much problem with my teeth.  After all the bad marriages
> and raising the kids, sorry to say  these  dentists were the ones who
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> her i was going to wear it on my purse for ever  and I would carry it
> to my grave.  Joyce-MN

Joyce, I drop in here once in a while. I needed help with a crown a while
back and got some good advice here. I read your story and I feel sorry you
are having such a bad time with your dentures. Your last paragraph of your
above message really hits the mark. I've never seen a pin saying "I've
Survived Damn near Everything" but I feel like that myself sometimes and
yes, you should wear it on your purse forever just to remind yourself that
you have gone through a lot but you have survived and you will keep on
surviving. I hope you can get your denture problems fixed. There are a lot
of good dentists on this group and hope they can help. You deserve a lot of
credit for your perseverance. You will find the solution eventually.

Mary
Joyce-MN - 11 Sep 2007 22:34 GMT
Mary, Thanks, thanks so much for your reply.  No, this denture is fine
(So far).  But I am so scared cuz the last 3 dentists promised something
and never followed thru and left me to figure it out for myself.  This
last one whom I do like promised me too, after wearing it a couple weeks
said "come back and we will change anything you want changed".  When i
went back and asked if it was possible to make the back part of the
denture wider so as to hit the instde of my cheek so  I would have that
feeling of support.  Sounds like it could be done but would have to make
a new denture. PERIOD.  Nothing to the effect if I would have to pay for
another denture or what.  I am so tired of things made complicated that
could be so easily discussed.  So I will have to see as time goes on.
Trouble is if I take too long all she has to say you waited too long to
complain.  been there done that too.  Anyway, yes I feel bad that ppl/my
kids when I tell them exercising to keep those bones and muscles
functioning it really helps.  Mary, good luck on your new crown.
Joyce-MN
Mary - 12 Sep 2007 00:29 GMT
> Mary, Thanks, thanks so much for your reply.  No, this denture is fine
> (So far).  But I am so scared cuz the last 3 dentists promised something
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> kids when I tell them exercising to keep those bones and muscles
> functioning it really helps.  Mary, good luck on your new crown.

Joyce, I already had the crown done a few months ago. I meant, before I got
it done, I got some advice on this group.
I am wondering when you went back to your last dentist (the one you like),
did she say that you would need a new denture to make things the way you
want? Did she say if this new denture will be made, you would have to pay
for it? When was it you went back to her? It sounds as if you discussed your
problem, but were not satisfied with her answer? Does the denture feel
uncomfortable, or can you wear them OK?.  If you are not clear on what she
said and want to make sure she understands what you want, you should go back
and see what she says even if its been a while. You need to be direct with
her about what you want and what your options are and what the cost might
be, if any.

I am sympathetic to people with dentures, because my married daughter had
most of her teeth out about 5 years ago when she was 35 because according to
the dental surgeon, he said a lot of her teeth were loose due (he said) to
bungled orthodontic work done when in her early to later teens. She was very
very upset.I would probably be even worse if I had been told when I was 35
that most of my teeth had to come out. Even 5 years later is still very
upset and sometimes says she regrets not getting another opinion. Losing
most of your teeth where it changes your looks can be psychologically
devastating to some people. Yet no one mentions it. She is a very small girl
with small bones and had difficulty getting the denture to feel comfortable,
and was always getting adjustments. She goes to a denturist but goes through
periods when she says the top dentures are not comfortable and has to take
them out sometimes. I really feel sorry for her. I am in my early 60's and
have my own teeth, but some of them are not too great, so who knows for how
long I'll have my own teeth.

Mary
Joyce-MN - 12 Sep 2007 01:29 GMT
Mary, will you e-mail me as I have a few boring questions I'd like to
ask you.  thx. I tried to e-mail you but it was returned to me.
Joyce-MN
Amatus Cremona - 11 Sep 2007 00:15 GMT
His technique is to fabricate a complete denture off an alginate impression
through specific steps to get tooth position.  Moving and re-setting teeth
as needed on this denture.  Once the patient can function on it and is happy
with the appearance of it, he has it duplicated with new teeth and the first
one becomes a spare.

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>> Actually, Dr. Turbyfil teaches such a technique
>>
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> Regards,
> George
krzysztof polanowski - 10 Sep 2007 09:17 GMT
The thearapy of full dentures should be done in 2 steps in most cases
becouse of bite modification and adaptation period.
Its the best and the most accurate methods based on Earle Pound ideas.
regards Kris-Polanowski DSS
> Is this the "norm" that a dentist has the permanent denture (in this
> case just the upper denture) made right away after taking impressions.
> Why don't they let your wear a temp. one first to be sure it fits and
> looks good.  Joyce
Joyce-MN - 10 Sep 2007 10:08 GMT
Kris- I swear I am beginning to get the courage that if I don't sense
these dentures are right I will go back and tell her.  I am so confused.
I only have an upper denture.  The lower are crowns. Back in 1986 the
dentist crowned my 28 teeth.  He said if I didn't have it done I would
lose all my teeth.  It had to be done their way (I think by the book).
I didn't wear all temp then either.  He did four at a time and I wore
the four for a week or so and then he put them in permanently and so on
until all the teeth were done.  He said it was a plan from someone in
Chicago (I can't remember the name off hand) and he said it was the best
they had at that time.  I got so I just sat in a daze after eating and
holding my face.  My neck started hurting and the back of my head and
then down my spine - all kinds of things were happening to me at that
time and the dentists and doctors either laughed at me, yelled at me or
ignored me.  I don't have a very good name around here with some of
these professional people and all because they were hurting me so badly
and my body couldn't take it that it seemed to eventually throw my whole
body and mind out of kilter.  Sounds strange maybe but I know how my
body reacted to things all my life and this was doing very strange and
destructive things I didn't understand and it scared me to death.  I
ended up being so bad seems like I was fighting everyone - before
terrorist became a household name, during all this time I felt like
these were terrorists after me and I was fighting third world war all
alone.  I just had to keep fighting and looking for answers to keep my
head above water even tho I didn't know what I was fighting, I had to
keep going. I suppose that was why they thought I needed a psychiatrist.
You get that way with chronic pain along with the "unknown".  Sorry, I'm
spouting off again - it makes me feel I really do have meaning.  Good
Night.  Joyce-MN
krzysztof polanowski - 10 Sep 2007 12:31 GMT
yep
The denture is not only for esthetic.. The denture is a treatament and
keeping the apt occlusion. Depends on case and examination We have couple
methods of treatment. There is quite often situation called TMD .
So if you had some strange symptoms before or You had unsteady bite
occlusion You should check the Bite first (rtg etc) next depends on
situation take plan of treatment...

For me Its difficoult to determine the reasons but ALWAYS the dentures needs
the examination first and next the plan of treatment.

As I understood The denture was made directly Its the cheapest and fastest
way.. Not high quality .

If you have the upper denture keep it and use as a diagnostic /treatm,ent
denture of course You need very close and good examination before next
steps..

The dentit should perform to You the reasons and next the plan of treatment.

regards kris-Polanowski DDS
> Kris- I swear I am beginning to get the courage that if I don't sense
> these dentures are right I will go back and tell her.  I am so confused.
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> spouting off again - it makes me feel I really do have meaning.  Good
> Night.  Joyce-MN
Melinda Shore - 10 Sep 2007 15:37 GMT
>My neck started hurting and the back of my head and
>then down my spine - all kinds of things were happening to me at that
>time and the dentists and doctors either laughed at me, yelled at me or
>ignored me.  

I have a friend who was experiencing a lot of jaw pain and
was wolfing down painkillers and asking her doctor for more,
and he had her involuntarily committed to a psych ward
because he thought she was abusing them.  Turned out she had
osteomyelitis.

Anyway, when I was trying to figure out what to do about my
mouth and trying to find out everything I could about
people's experiences with implants I found an MSN discussion
board that's pretty active and has people with a big variety
of experiences with both dentures and implants.  It's almost
completely patients, not dentists, and I think it's a good
place to go to find out what other patients are
experiencing, what problems they've had, and how they've
dealt with dentists they clashed with.  The URL is
http://groups.msn.com/DenturesANewSmile
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Joyce-MN - 10 Sep 2007 19:11 GMT
I hope I am not too much of a pest but I really do need some answers
that I am not getting from my dentists.  Maybe because my insurance
doesn't pay for me to go every few days to ask questions as they arise.
One more thing, right now, I am wondering if when you chew does your
teeth go straight up and down to hit each other or do they kinda rub
together very slightly when chewing. (am I explaining this right).
Another thing, I think this dentist has me cornered as  I asked her if
the bottom would need to be filed for one reason or another could she do
it.  She said I would have to go back to the original dentist who did
the crowns and have him do it.  This is one of the things I have had to
put up with, I can't take these teeth out and do all this myself and
still no one is cooperating to help me.  I am so shocked and
disappointed in this one dentist I thought we could really work together
with each other and for her to think I would go back to this dentist who
left me hanging with dysfunctional teeth and bite, plus the person
before me with him was back for the second time to have her teeth redone
because they were not "right" for her, but at that point I was so naive
(sp)-this doesn't look right) how did I know this would end up being an
ongoing horror story.  Someone else might have him in prison now or have
him hanging by his teeth somewhere - who knows.  LOL.  When I told a
couple dentists whom  I met in a TMJ class who it was, they right away
said "oh no", they knew him and said he was one of the most brutal
bast---s on earth.  So there you go.   I am taking all your answers to
heart and hope it will help me when the time comes.  Joyce-MN
 
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