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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / July 2007dental schools-postgraduate studies
hi my sister just got her BDS degree from india.. i wanted to know which countries degrees are accepted in india.. uk? australia?? also if anyone knows the procedure for applying for postgraduate studies to dental schools. i have heard in US they push you back two years but if anyone has any information on postgradute studies in us canada uk australia new zealand which country would be better?? the tests required to be taken and also the dental degrees from these countries can be used to practice in which other countries including india?? thank you so much.. she really ahs no clue and i think this could help to get her started on her application process.. My alma mater is going to open the class size up in spring of 2008 for about 20 foreign trained dentists to get their US equivalent degree. They will have to do 3 years of schooling.  Signature/ Amatus / > hi my sister just got her BDS degree from india.. i wanted to know > which countries degrees are accepted in india.. uk? australia?? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thank you so much.. she really ahs no clue and i think this could help > to get her started on her application process.. In Ontario, Canada, both dental schools will require you to do 2 years of training to get your general licence to practice here. From what I understand, it is quite competitive for the limited number of spots for this qualifying program. As for postgraduate studies, you may receive a postgraduate licence (simply just paperwork once you have been accepted into a postgraduate program) to allow you to come here to learn your specialty. After your specialty course is finished (3-5 years), you take your specialty board exams and if you pass them, you can work as a specialist here. www.utoronto.ca/dentistry www.utoronto.ca/dentistry/admissions/qualifyingprogram/qualmain.html www.schulich.uwo.ca/dentistry/ www.schulich.uwo.ca/dentistry/InternationallyTrainedDentists/index.html I have attended both schools (Toronto for advanced training in Dental Anaesthesia and Schulich for my general dental degree). Both were excellent in training and experience. John For licensure in any US state, a BDS will be treated as only fulfilling the first two years toward a DDS/DMD which is the minimum requirement. Two extra years in a dental school program structured for the BDS graduate will be necessary to get the DDS/DMD. I really don't think that there are any programs that will train you if you can't qualify for a license. I had a BDS from India back in 1981 as my US Army dental assistant. They would only allow him to be an assistant, not a hygienist either, despite his knowledge, training, and experience. I think the only "foreign" trained dentists accepted as equivalent as US trained are Canadian dentists. e.g. The People's Republic of Massachusetts made the reknowned, well trained, Swiss-educated periodontist, Dr. H.P. Weber, complete an extra two years to get a DMD in order to practice there. On Jul 3, 6:04 pm, shivaniha...@yahoo.com wrote: > hi my sister just got her BDS degree from india.. i wanted to know > which countries degrees are accepted in india.. uk? australia?? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thank you so much.. she really ahs no clue and i think this could help > to get her started on her application process.. The dental school ( in the US ) I went to accepts like ~100 foreign dentists for placement into its 2nd yr class for a traditional 4 yr DDS program. Other foreign dentists enter 3 yr PG programs in perio or prostho, which I believe might be another backdoor towards US licensure. What's the main reason for her wanting to get out of India so bad? I don't specifically know about the other listed countries but, in the US, being a dentist isn't necessarily all that. > The dental school ( in the US ) I went to accepts like ~100 foreign > dentists for placement into its 2nd yr class for a traditional 4 yr > DDS program. Other foreign dentists enter 3 yr PG programs in perio or > prostho, which I believe might be another backdoor towards US > licensure. Back door? They do go to school for their specialty, so they've earned it. This is not a backdoor as they will be restricted to practicing their specialty only. It doesn't matter from where they come from. Why so bitter about foreigners who are professionals trying to get legit training/work in the North America? Many big names in early dentistry (and medicine for that matter) in North America weren't born here. > What's the main reason for her wanting to get out of India so bad? I > don't specifically know about the other listed countries but, in the > US, being a dentist isn't necessarily all that. India has a billion people living there. Much of the country is third-world. If I could use my profession as a ticket somewhere else, I might take it, too. Being a dentist in the USA or Canada maybe a whole lot better for this person than being one in India. John >Why so bitter > about foreigners who are professionals trying to get legit training/work in > the North America? Many big names in early dentistry (and medicine for that > matter) in North America weren't born here. Where did I express bitterness? But if you think about how just 3 yrs of PG can provide a foreign dentist with both US licensure and specialty status, it doesn't sound right. Most foreign dental schools begin right after high school, meaning in the same 8 yrs required for a US student to become a general dentist, a foreign dentist can even become a specialist in the US. > > What's the main reason for her wanting to get out of India so bad? I > > don't specifically know about the other listed countries but, in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > might take it, too. Being a dentist in the USA or Canada maybe a whole lot > better for this person than being one in India. Even Canadians want to become dentists in the US. I also saw plenty from the UK, Taiwan, and Spain, which are all far from being third world. I wasn't talking about general immigration; I'm not of the Anglo-Saxon US blood myself. I was wondering if there was something with dentistry in the US that makes it so desirable. >>Why so bitter >> about foreigners who are professionals trying to get legit training/work [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Where did I express bitterness? I think you answered your own question in your paragraph below: > But if you think about how just 3 yrs of PG can provide a foreign > dentist with both US licensure and specialty status, it doesn't sound > right. Most foreign dental schools begin right after high school, > meaning in the same 8 yrs required for a US student to become a > general dentist, a foreign dentist can even become a specialist in the > US. How much of that undergraduate education do you actually use as a dentist? Zero. The only benefit you get with a few years of undergrad is that you should be a more mature person. It has no bearing on your ability as a dentist. An American or a Canadian can go to India to get their dental education, right out of high school as you put it, but my sense is no one does that. The 6-8 year North American thing is just the way it is here. >> > What's the main reason for her wanting to get out of India so bad? I >> > don't specifically know about the other listed countries but, in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > from the UK, Taiwan, and Spain, which are all far from being third > world. There are more good opportunities from a professional standpoint in the USA than in any other country. Sure, if you just want to be the neighbourhood dentist in a busy town, you might have a tough slug at it. But move to rural Maine and you will be busy. Move to Northern Ontario (Canada) and you will be busy. Also, lots of good dental schools in the USA to teach at, if that is your desire. > I wasn't talking about general immigration; I'm not of the Anglo-Saxon > US blood myself. I know you weren't. > I was wondering if there was something with dentistry in the US that > makes it so desirable. Like I said...opportunity. John > <seagate1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > Where did I express bitterness? > > I think you answered your own question in your paragraph below: Originally, I was mentioning how one can alternatively head right to a PG program for licensure (+ bonus of an added specialty ). I was merely answering the OP's question. And just because I feel this pathway to licensure is advantageous and provides a bonus to foreign dentists doesn't mean I'm bitter. And I'm even admitting to you that I'm not of Anglo-Saxon blood. Out of curiosity, I was also asking if it was a problem with dentistry that makes a foreign dentist want to move away from her country. No reason to get defensive. But if you were offended in any way, then I acknowledge I should have been more sensitive in this discussion. Like medicine, dentistry in the US is highly renumerative. I think that this is also the case in Germany. As I recall, in the early eighties, German dentists were the most prosperous members of the artze klasse, and made much more than their US counterparts, even under the socialized system in BRD. One sees very few German dentists emigrating to the USA but there are many Irish, British, Indian, South African, Arab, and Pakistani dentists in the US. I know an Irish periodontist who practiced in the US for 10 years then went back to Eire in 1993 to ply his craft. He was back in the US in 1995 because his specialty was not appreciated or renumerative in his homeland. The USA still presents a very attractive place to practice, hence the restrictions. I really don't think that a BDS can get into a specialty training program unless he/she first gets a DDS/DMD - that usually means 2 more years of pre-doctoral training. |
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