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gordongaskill@netzero.com - 10 May 2007 05:11 GMT
I seek a dentist or endodontist to perform a pulp cap procedure
Gordon
Amatus Cremona - 10 May 2007 12:02 GMT
and ?

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>I seek a dentist or endodontist to perform a pulp cap procedure
> Gordon
Dartos - 10 May 2007 14:16 GMT
Most of the best pulp caps that I have seen used gutta-percha
to the apical foramen.

;-)
D

> and ?
Newbie - 10 May 2007 15:03 GMT
Excellent !

Besides ~90% of direct pulp caps will fail in 5 years.

>Most of the best pulp caps that I have seen used gutta-percha
>to the apical foramen.
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doctai77@gmail.com - 12 May 2007 19:21 GMT
> Excellent !
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still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
years to save up.
Steven Fawks - 13 May 2007 01:41 GMT
It also gives them time to get really mad and say, "That tooth
you filled is KILLING ME!"  <G>

Be careful.

:-)
Steve

> still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
> years to save up.
Newbie - 14 May 2007 16:38 GMT
Yep, and it's always *your* fault !

>It also gives them time to get really mad and say, "That tooth
>you filled is KILLING ME!"  <G>
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>> still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
>> years to save up.
Newbie - 14 May 2007 16:31 GMT
>> Excellent !
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>still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
>years to save up.

Direct pulp capping is a waste of time and money for the patient.
It will ultimately fail and at the most inconvenient time.
Most don't make it 5 yrs.
Amatus Cremona - 15 May 2007 12:01 GMT
When was the last time you saw that happen?  Temporize it without planning
to do the RCT within two months, and the patient ignores it until their face
swells up a few years later and the tooth is extracted.

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> still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
> years to save up.
doctai77@gmail.com - 15 May 2007 13:26 GMT
> When was the last time you saw that happen?  Temporize it without planning
> to do the RCT within two months, and the patient ignores it until their face
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well when i do pulp caps, it's the patient's decision and good
communication is always key.  if you they are well informed and still
decide to take the "chance" that something bad will happen they don't
blame me for anything.  Some last, some don't.  I tell the patient it
will most likely need an endo, maybe even as early as tomorrow, but
you can always go to the endo in the future.  once you do it, there is
no going back.  There have been articles going both ways. if you are
the kind of doctor that likes some thing very predictable go the endo
route.  some people like to have choices, and as long as they know
both the benefits and disadvantages/risks it is up to them.
Dartos - 15 May 2007 13:48 GMT
if you they are well informed and still
> decide to take the "chance" that something bad will happen they don't
> blame me for anything.

The ones who come back to see you, don't blame you.  The ones who
come to my office after you did the work, do. <G>

Communication only works when the receiver is on and tuned to the
right channel!

I'm not saying that I never do them, especially since the SE bonds
have come on the market.  However, it is usually for a kid whose
parents aren't going to save a tooth for them, or a young adult
who is struggling to get on their own.

Even then, I know most of them are not going to follow through
when the time becomes necessary.

Best wishes,
D
Newbie - 15 May 2007 14:57 GMT
Agree with both of these points.

Don't get me wrong, have done many a pulp cap, especially in
my earlier days.
Now it is in very specific instances and not a routine procedure.

IIRC MTA is now the material of choice for treatment of mechanical exposure.
Understand that this material is somewhat difficult to work with and I haven't
actually used it, so YMMV...

>  if you they are well informed and still
>> decide to take the "chance" that something bad will happen they don't
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>Best wishes,
>D

>Check the recent research.  CaOH is no longer thought to stimulate dentin
>formation.  It is thought to be bactericidal due to its pH.  Plus, it
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>saliva while I design and mill (about 10-15 minutes).  Just before bonding,
>I flick off the CaOH and bond right to the exposure.
Amatus Cremona - 15 May 2007 16:40 GMT
MTA............

The cute little carrier instruments they make for it do not work very well
at all.  I always end up scooping it up with an excavator or a plastic
instrument and packing it on.  I have used it for furcal perforations and
repairing poorly done post preparations.  For pulp caps, (mechanical
exposure), I always just etch and bond right over it with nothing in
between.  Someday, I expect to have one of these act up,,,,, I'll let you
know when that happens.

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>>I flick off the CaOH and bond right to the exposure.
Amatus Cremona - 15 May 2007 13:55 GMT
Mechanical exposures which occur while trying to shape a preparation, are
routinely capped by me with no problems.  Carious exposures,,,,,,, never.
There are times when the patient says they cannot afford the RCT for 2-4
months, and I will extirpate and temporize.  If they do not return in 6
weeks, they generally never do.

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>> When was the last time you saw that happen?  Temporize it without
>> planning
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> route.  some people like to have choices, and as long as they know
> both the benefits and disadvantages/risks it is up to them.
Newbie - 15 May 2007 14:37 GMT
>> When was the last time you saw that happen?  Temporize it without planning
>> to do the RCT within two months, and the patient ignores it until their face
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>route.  some people like to have choices, and as long as they know
>both the benefits and disadvantages/risks it is up to them.

As I have said before carious exposures should be treated with
root canal therapy.

It is generally accepted by the endodontic community that most pulps can
sustain only 2 - 3 operative traumas before suffering pulpal problems.
Newbie - 15 May 2007 14:18 GMT
Carious exposure should be treated with root canal therapy period.

>When was the last time you saw that happen?  Temporize it without planning
>to do the RCT within two months, and the patient ignores it until their face
>swells up a few years later and the tooth is extracted.
>
>> still 5 years could buy someone without the money to do an endo 5
>> years to save up.
Newbie - 10 May 2007 14:35 GMT
>I seek a dentist or endodontist to perform a pulp cap procedure
>Gordon

Try www.aae.org

American Association of Endodontists

Think they have listings.
 
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