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how to deal with curved root canals without NiTi files?

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Punyawee W. - 07 May 2007 09:57 GMT
I am trying to treat the upper first molar with curved root canal. The
ploblem is I'm doing it in a small community hospital where have fews
insttrnents. There is no NITi files. How can I deal with these curved
root canals with K-files or H-files and not to create ledge or lateral
perforation?

Thank you very much
John & Ninetta - 07 May 2007 10:33 GMT
If you feel you can't do the endo, then send them to someone who can.  If
that is not possible, be honest with the patient and either take the tooth
out or try your best with the endo (with the patient knowing this situation
maybe beyond your experience).

By the way, NiTi files only do the shaping...you should get to length with
at least a size 15 hand file anyway.  At least that is how I was taught and
how I use NiTi files.  Out of curiosity, what did they teach you in school
about NiTi files?

John
doctai77@gmail.com - 07 May 2007 13:37 GMT
if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
to do the case get them, but i tend to agree with john, if you don't
have the right tools probably should refer.
Newbie - 07 May 2007 21:00 GMT
>if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
>aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
>to do the case get them, but i tend to agree with john, if you don't
>have the right tools probably should refer.

The files may be reasonable but you must use a torque controlled
motor for the rotaries. Not so inexpensive.
doctai77@gmail.com - 12 May 2007 19:12 GMT
> >if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
> >aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
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> The files may be reasonable but you must use a torque controlled
> motor for the rotaries. Not so inexpensive.

they make very flexible hand files.  don't need a engine.  just takes
a lot longer.
Steven Bornfeld - 12 May 2007 20:31 GMT
>>> if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
>>> aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
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> they make very flexible hand files.  don't need a engine.  just takes
> a lot longer.

    I find hand NiTi files to be just about useless.  But an endodontist I
know taught us the "balanced force technique" which can easily be used
with small stainless steel K-files, and it works pretty well negotiating
curves near the apex.

Steve
Newbie - 14 May 2007 16:33 GMT
>>>> if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
>>>> aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
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>
>Steve

Please explain the "balanced force technique".
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 14 May 2007 18:38 GMT
> Please explain the "balanced force technique".

    I was looking for a good web explanation, but haven't found one
yet--only some evaluations of the technique:

http://tinyurl.com/2f6k4d

    As I remember it, once you have established measurement, you use this
as a crown-down technique.  The instrument is inserted until it JUST
binds.  It is then rotated 1/2 turn counter-clockwise.  The flutes are
supposed to cause the tip of the K file to follow the curve of the
canal.  The instrument is then rotated clockwise to JUST engage the
dentin, and withdrawn straight out.  Patency and measurement are
re-established with small instruments, as you sequentially use smaller
instruments to work toward the apex.
    I use this only very occasionally--usually rotary.

Steve

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Newbie - 14 May 2007 20:01 GMT
>> Please explain the "balanced force technique".
>
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>
>Steve

Thanks Steve, you da man !
Newbie - 14 May 2007 16:29 GMT
>> >if you don't have niti files, why don't you just buy some?  they
>> >aren't tremendously expensive.  if it will make you more comfortable
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>they make very flexible hand files.  don't need a engine.  just takes
>a lot longer.

Yeah, I know, but what's the point ?

Modern endodontic therapy is all about rotary IMO.
George - 07 May 2007 16:43 GMT
> I am trying to treat the upper first molar with curved root canal. The
> ploblem is I'm doing it in a small community hospital where have fews
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>
> Thank you very much

Dentists managed to do root canals for decades before NiTis appeared.
That said, NiTis would be able to better negotiate root canals without
zips/transportations. Depending on how curved the roots are and where
the curves are, you might be able to use hand files and gates and
achieve a good result. Be careful with the gates and don't attempt to
take them past the curve and it'll be fine.
Newbie - 07 May 2007 20:47 GMT
>I am trying to treat the upper first molar with curved root canal. The
>ploblem is I'm doing it in a small community hospital where have fews
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>
>Thank you very much

Start with a 10 or smaller (8, 6) use frequent recapitulation
and copious irrigation. Hedstrom files can be useful in
these types of cases. Take your time and all should be well.

take it up to a ~20 or larger and make sure your master
cone goes to length.
Amatus Cremona - 08 May 2007 13:21 GMT
Ditto

Work the small size files a lot.

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> take it up to a ~20 or larger and make sure your master
> cone goes to length.
 
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