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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / May 2007Continuing "NTI & catch/click in TMJ"
I'm working *really* hard to get these questions addressed by Albert!! Hello.......... are you there??? Webby In article <tmjiatroepidemic-A551EC.13111226042007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic@cox.net> wrote: > I posted this passage to the thread, "NTI & catch/click in TMJ". The > questions were specifically directed to Albert. Correct me if I'm > wrong, but I think the questions remain unanswered. So, I'm going to > paste that section within this new thread for better visibility. The > other has become unmanageable. > > > Meant to have listed 1-4 ... sorry. ~~Webby > > > At this point, I'm also wondering: > > > > 1. Was the coronoid process fractured as a result of the old trauma? > > > > 2. When you say the left condyle is deviated to the right, are you > > saying that the joint space is narrowed permanently? Is there any > > degenerative orthopedic disease that has been diagnosed in either joint? > > > > 2. [sic] Is there limitation of range of motion that is attributed to an > > orthopedic problem as opposed to that of the soft tissues only? What > > are your ROM measurements? If significantly limited, have these > > measurements been stable over a long period of time? If not, can you > > describe the fluctuation that is normal for you? > > > > 3. [sic] You say surgery is not for you yet. What type of surgery is being > > contemplated (at some future time)? In other words, and importantly, > > what would the surgical procedure be and what would the goal of such > > procedure be for you (your specific case) and with regards to the timing > > of such intervention. > > > > Thanks for your response and I hope to see more from you. > > > > Webby > > Webby It isn't every day that professionals who participate in this newsgroup have the opportunity to offer their "situations" as a learning opportunity for the group. I don't think my questions are out of line, and I don't think Albert is avoiding the questions intentionally. I'm sure he's busy with life and just hasn't had time to get around to responding. I'll wait patiently. Webby In article <tmjiatroepidemic-BF2FA0.20211326042007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, > I'm working *really* hard to get these questions addressed by Albert!! > Hello.......... are you there??? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > Webby Hey Webby, Whatcha want to talk about while we wait for Albert to return? Stradavari has a recital this Sunday.  Signature/ Amatus / > It isn't every day that professionals who participate in this newsgroup > have the opportunity to offer their "situations" as a learning [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >> > >> > Webby > Hey Webby, > > Whatcha want to talk about while we wait for Albert to return? > > Stradavari has a recital this Sunday. Oh.... I wish I could be there!!! I would love to see him in action! What else is going on with the family??? W. > > It isn't every day that professionals who participate in this newsgroup > > have the opportunity to offer their "situations" as a learning [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >> > > >> > Webby Stradavari is trying to talk us into sending him to summer camp at Interlochen this summer. He is trying out the Track Team for the first time right now. Economy here stinks. Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. Signature/ Amatus / > >> Hey Webby, [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Webby >Stradavari is trying to talk us into sending him to summer camp at >Interlochen this summer. He is trying out the Track Team for the first time >right now. > >Economy here stinks. Still bad enough for you to consider relocation ? >Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. Production is down about 50% the past 3 months. I am down to one employee. so, yes. >>Stradavari is trying to talk us into sending him to summer camp at >>Interlochen this summer. He is trying out the Track Team for the first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. Sorry to hear that. We are luckily managing to hold our own. >Production is down about 50% the past 3 months. I am down to one employee. >so, yes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>>Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. Relocating is a drastic measure. I hope that cutting staff down to virtually nothing, and doing more myself will get us through. If not, we either have to buy a couple of practices and put 2-3 of them together, or sell mine and leave. I would hate to have to find a new school for Stradavari. Finding another prep school equal to this one would limit my choices for moving. Then, there is the issue of finding an area with the cultural opportunities we are used to. I doubt I would be happy in a rural area or small town, although that is the type of region one should look for. Life would be simpler if we can "stick it out". Right now, our State government is so busy fighting itself, that it cannot come up with a means to deal with some big tax shortages for next year. There are multiple taxation plans out there which get debated, but none get chosen. The economic climate is so uncertain, that no business would want to locate here, and many businesses are leaving. If they could decide on a fair system that cut un-necessary State services, tax the population and businesses fairly, we would probably re-bound very quickly. Signature/ Amatus / > > Sorry to hear that. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> >>>>Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. > The >economic climate is so uncertain, that no business would want to locate >here, and many businesses are leaving. If they could decide on a fair >system that cut un-necessary State services, tax the population and >businesses fairly, we would probably re-bound very quickly. Have seen the commercials trying to entice businesses to relocate to your state. "X gives you the upper hand" If you ask me it sounds more like an upper-cut ! <g> Cutting taxes spurs economic growth. Not according to our Governor. She says we need higher taxes to increase State services so we can attract new jobs. Also, she wants to greatly increase spending to State universities so we can turn out more graduates. What she plans to do with the thousands of college graduates already here with no job, I have no idea. She says companies will relocate here if there were more people with college degrees. Last time I tried to hire a staff person, I got over a hundred resumes from one advertisement, half of the applicants had bachelor's degrees. A couple had master's degrees. Remember, this was for an entry level job barely more than minimum wage to start. It would be funny if it was not so sad! Signature/ Amatus / > >> The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cutting taxes spurs economic growth. Sounds like your governator is a moron. When is the next election. People with degrees wanting to be dental assistants ? Am speechless... >Not according to our Governor. She says we need higher taxes to increase >State services so we can attract new jobs. Also, she wants to greatly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > It would be funny if it was not so sad! She was just re-elected to a second term last year. She kept telling us how we would be "blown away in five years". It is five years now and people are being blown into other States. Did I tell you about the Democratic minority leader who wanted to spend $38M on giving each public school student from 1st grade through 12 an iPod? Or the Republican AG who wanted to spend a fortune putting a private gymnasium in his building? (after all he has 36 law enforcement officials under him who he wants to be top physical shape). I forget the figure for the gym right now, but it was huge. Much more than it would have cost to buy each guy a lifetime membership at any club. Republican majority proposed budget cuts that would force a $34 per student cut to schools, and balance the budget. Governor rejects the plan and proposes to cut school spending by $194 per student, and raise taxes a huge amount and still be short $430M for next year. Actually, she keeps rejecting any plan that does not include a huge tax increase. Apparently, she must have (my opinion based on nothing more that hearsay) a lot of election debts to re-pay, as she is trying very hard to increase spending to a bunch of specific special interest groups. 65,000 people left the State last year, it is still happening this year, yet State government cannot be reduced in size. Amazing. Signature/ Amatus / > > Sounds like your governator is a moron. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> It would be funny if it was not so sad! > Last time I tried to hire a staff person, I got over a hundred resumes from > one advertisement, half of the applicants had bachelor's degrees. A couple > had master's degrees. Remember, this was for an entry level job barely more > than minimum wage to start. That sounds like a depression to me! The last time I was in Michigan, I was surprised at how bad things seemed to be. I remember stopping at an interstate interchange in the north and finding my choice of four gas stations...all four out of business! The news-media calls it a recession. We all refer to it as a full blown depression. I predict a lot of banks closing soon due to the number of foreclosures. Signature/ Amatus / > >> Last time I tried to hire a staff person, I got over a hundred resumes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > north and finding my choice of four gas stations...all four out of > business! Whoa Nellie ! Had no idea it was that bad. The drive-by media shows once again what a bunch of imbeciles they are. Have said it before and don't mind repeating: Capitalism works, Socialism doesn't. >The news-media calls it a recession. We all refer to it as a full blown >depression. I predict a lot of banks closing soon due to the number of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> north and finding my choice of four gas stations...all four out of >> business! Yesterday, two more businesses in the neighborhood closed their doors. One a nice restaurant which had been there fore 7 years. Every other strip mall has 1-3 vacancies and every professional/office building has 1-5. No new houses being built anywhere. Development of new subdivisions has just stopped and the equipment sits idle in the mud. And, our governor insists that once she raises taxes and increases the number of college graduates, our economy will pick up. I told you about the iPod scheme? How about the last one where they were going to give the energy utilities back a monopoly on their services in exchange for collecting a 6% tax increase on energy. Signature/ Amatus / > > Whoa Nellie ! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> north and finding my choice of four gas stations...all four out of >>> business! >Yesterday, two more businesses in the neighborhood closed their doors. One >a nice restaurant which had been there fore 7 years. Every other strip mall [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >energy utilities back a monopoly on their services in exchange for >collecting a 6% tax increase on energy. Good gawd man ! Yer guvna' sounds like Count Taxulot. >>Yesterday, two more businesses in the neighborhood closed their doors. >>One [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Yer guvna' sounds like Count Taxulot. Boy oh boy do I wish you could pack it in and come west. We could use a dentist of your caliber out here! >And, our governor insists that once she raises taxes and increases the >number of college graduates, our economy will pick up. I told you about the >iPod scheme? How about the last one where they were going to give the >energy utilities back a monopoly on their services in exchange for >collecting a 6% tax increase on energy. That old saw still rings true: You cannot tax your way to prosperity. > Stradavari is trying to talk us into sending him to summer camp at > Interlochen this summer. He is trying out the Track Team for the first time > right now. Interlochen ... well, who could blame him??!! ;-) Track not tennis??? > Economy here stinks. I'm sorry about that. Some good news about the economy is long overdue. > Mrs. C. is playing tennis daily. Singles? Doubles? She *loves* tennis and I'm happy to know she's out having fun!! ... Interlochen?! He has good camping taste!! ;-) Webby > >> Hey Webby, > >> > >> Whatcha want to talk about while we wait for Albert to return? [snip] No tennis team for 6th grade. Application for summer camp is out already. 3 solid weeks of music and fun. Cabins are right on the lake. >> Stradavari is trying to talk us into sending him to summer camp at >> Interlochen this summer. He is trying out the Track Team for the first [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> Whatcha want to talk about while we wait for Albert to return? > [snip] > No tennis team for 6th grade. > > Application for summer camp is out already. 3 solid weeks of music and > fun. Cabins are right on the lake. I would be a wonderful opportunity for him. !!! :-) > In article <p66dnZAxNaW26a_bnZ2dnUVZ_sCin...@wideopenwest.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would be a wonderful opportunity for him. !!! :-) I'm really sorry........I spent most of my free time on Dental town and Laser forum with Periolase. I work six days a week running two practice, and you can't never have enough of time. In addition I have a 3 years old girl name Allison.......She is growing up so fast....Kids are so active.....So please forget me I have miss this thread Sincerely......Albert >Hey Webby, > >Whatcha want to talk about while we wait for Albert to return? > >Stradavari has a recital this Sunday. Ballet ? <g> That would be me in tights. >>Hey Webby, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ballet ? <g> Ghaaaa..... Could have done without that mental image <G> >That would be me in tights. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Ballet ? <g> > Ghaaaa..... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In my area....There is alots of construction of commercial areas, and new dentist are starting up everywhere. I'm afraid when people overbuilt and there is not enough of demands to support all the new bissiness. Things will change......I'm in a high growth area in between Dallas and Fort worth. However I think growth have slow down since the end of 2006....Most people tell me it is the same in other part of the country. We are cutting staff our self....We went from 12 to 8 girls within the last 6 months. Albert > I'm working *really* hard to get these questions addressed by Albert!! > Hello.......... are you there??? [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - 1. Was the coronoid process fractured as a result of the old trauma? No- clear evident the coronoid was fractured....The dentist treated me suggested it could have hair line fracture because that is where my symptom is located. crepitation is present, at least a partial displacement is what they have told me. We try differential diagnosis with tests for a while. But we can't determine if myogenic, arthrogenous or both. So I personally decided to live with the minor problem and treat with conservative treatment....Ibuprofin as needed....NTI......Cold Laser.... > > 2. When you say the left condyle is deviated to the right, are you > > saying that the joint space is narrowed permanently? Is there any > > degenerative orthopedic disease that has been diagnosed in either joint? As far as I remember....I was told I have degenerative damage in my left condyle. Ct and MRI was done with open and closing to show the disc space was narrowed in the left. > > 2. [sic] Is there limitation of range of motion that is attributed to an > > orthopedic problem as opposed to that of the soft tissues only? What > > are your ROM measurements? If significantly limited, have these > > measurements been stable over a long period of time? If not, can you > > describe the fluctuation that is normal for you? It is an orthopedic problem, and the ROM has been stable for the last 10 years without getting worse. I do PT (passive stretching) daily > > 3. [sic] You say surgery is not for you yet. What type of surgery is being > > contemplated (at some future time)? In other words, and importantly, > > what would the surgical procedure be and what would the goal of such > > procedure be for you (your specific case) and with regards to the timing > > of such intervention. I was told in my case that ultimately will result in Surgery for Joint reconstructive surgery.....I'm still looking for a surgeon I can trust to do that for me......Have not happen yet, and my problem is not that bad yet...... Eight years ago I was having a lots of problem with My problems, and My professor John Brand in Oklahoma was helping me. When I graduated from Dental school in 99, I feel so much better immediately, and slowly it has stabilized by itself...It has really been a blessing.......I told myself it is probably induced by strsss...... > > Thanks for your response and I hope to see more from you. > > Webby > > I'm working *really* hard to get these questions addressed by Albert!! > > Hello.......... are you there??? There you are ... thanks for the reply. > > - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > problem and treat with conservative treatment....Ibuprofin as > needed....NTI......Cold Laser.... What is the purpose of the Cold Laser? > > > 2. When you say the left condyle is deviated to the right, are you > > > saying that the joint space is narrowed permanently? Is there any > > > degenerative orthopedic disease that has been diagnosed in either joint? > As far as I remember....I was told I have degenerative damage in my > left condyle. Ct and MRI was done with open and closing to show the > disc space was narrowed in the left. What about the remodeling effect within that joint? > > > 2. [sic] Is there limitation of range of motion that is attributed to an > > > orthopedic problem as opposed to that of the soft tissues only? What [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is an orthopedic problem, and the ROM has been stable for the last > 10 years without getting worse. I do PT (passive stretching) daily There is much to celebrate if the ROM has been stable and acceptable for a decade. > > > 3. [sic] You say surgery is not for you yet. What type of surgery is > > > being [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to do that for me......Have not happen yet, and my problem is not that > bad yet...... If your jaw function is acceptable, why would you undergo joint reconstruction surgery? > Eight years ago I was having a lots of problem with My problems, and > My professor John Brand in Oklahoma was helping me. When I graduated > from Dental school in 99, I feel so much better immediately, and > slowly it has stabilized by itself...It has really been a > blessing.......I told myself it is probably induced by strsss...... > > > Thanks for your response and I hope to see more from you. The NTI should be making your "problems" less problematic. Thank you for the feedback. Webby > > > Webby > In article <1177884127.388410.294...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What is the purpose of the Cold Laser? I purchased a periolase in march 2007......It does wonders to periodontal problems, and it also have a biostimulating function. I was very impressed with it when I used the periolase to help patients with TMJ problem......I do it for free in the first week.....But the patient just keep coming back....Now I charge for my services. When ever I have discomfort.....I zap myself about 10K J that take less than a hour...........It reduced the discomfort and make the inflammation goes away much faster. I also have gout.....It work on my toe too. Nd/ Laser help fight.... Pain, Infection, and inflammation. What about the remodeling effect within that joint? I don't know much about this one...... There is much to celebrate if the ROM has been stable and acceptable for a decade. Yes I agree........... If your jaw function is acceptable, why would you undergo joint reconstruction surgery? That is what I was told 10 years ago...........As I get old I probably will need it for degenerative disease. Same thing was told about my gout condition....there are damages done on my big toe...That I may need surgery in the future. But as long as I function normally.....I can live without it. The NTI should be making your "problems" less problematic. Yes.....It did help me and I do agree NTI is a wonderful device....... |
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