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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / April 2007NTI & catch/click in TMJ
About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to hairline fractures. About 2 years ago, a tooth literally came apart in my mouth. It had large fillings. I ended up losing that tooth. I consulted another dentist who said that the night guard is ineffective as stopping bruxism, and recommended an NTI, which I got. I can't I notice a lot of difference, but there have been no more fractured teeth. About 6 weeks ago, I developed a "catch" in my left jaw (tmj?) and an audible "click" when opening my mouth wider (over 80-90% open). At first there was no pain. Over the next week or two, the clicking diminished and disappeared, but a sharp, then dull, pain and soreness developed. I called the dentist who said it was probably not serious, but to come in if it got worse. After another week or two, the soreness that diminished to a slight soreness that I notice more in the morning and when chewing tougher materials (like bread crusts). It is better now, but not improving much. Because it was worse in the morning, I suspected the NTI -- especially because the NTI, unlike the night guard, has just one point of contact. I am wondering if, perhaps unlike most wearers, I continue to bite down at night and the NTI is transferring this to the TMJ because of not contact with the other teeth. Has this been reported by other NTI users? I have an appointment in a couple of days. -- > About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -- Did you see a general dentist? Is he competent in treating TMJ? Now...TMJ is not a speciality in dentistry, but you want to see a dentist with a lots of experience treating TMJ. It can actually get worse with the wrong treatment. I'm a dentist who do not treat TMJ, but I have TMJ problem my self.....So I'm speaking from experience........ >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >but I have TMJ problem my self.....So I'm speaking from >experience........ I called my regular dentist (who is lukewarm toward the nti) when it happened. He said not to worry unless it got worse. I have my regular check up next week. Is he competent in TMJ? Dunno. What are the odds he will say "no" if I ask (whether he is or not)? I am happy with him as a dentist. -- > > About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > > fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > but I have TMJ problem my self.....So I'm speaking from > experience........ I posted a reply twice in smd to a post of yours. It hasn't shown up on my server for some reason. This one may not show up either. But, I'll "post" anyway and see what happens. I've been following your posts related to this subject and admit that I am curious about your condition. What problem do you have with your TMJ? Would you mind sharing that information? (If you've already posted the info, would you please direct me to the existing post?) Webby >> > About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that >> > fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >my server for some reason. This one may not show up either. But, I'll >"post" anyway and see what happens. Sometimes it takes awhile for the posts to propagate through the system. I don't repost until it's been at least a day. >I've been following your posts related to this subject and admit that I >am curious about your condition. What problem do you have with your >TMJ? Would you mind sharing that information? (If you've already >posted the info, would you please direct me to the existing post?) > >Webby -- [cut] > >I posted a reply twice in smd to a post of yours. It hasn't shown up on > >my server for some reason. This one may not show up either. But, I'll > >"post" anyway and see what happens. > > Sometimes it takes awhile for the posts to propagate through the > system. I don't repost until it's been at least a day. Very, very rarely does it take more than five minutes for my posts to appear on my server. Today was one of those days when there was a little delay. I didn't really care to wait another day to repost my questions (quoted below). Webby > >I've been following your posts related to this subject and admit that I > >am curious about your condition. What problem do you have with your > >TMJ? Would you mind sharing that information? (If you've already > >posted the info, would you please direct me to the existing post?) > > > >Webby > In article <1177304520.126527.168...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sorry....I did not see your post.........I have a deep bite class I where My left condyle is deviated to the right. Slowly my occlusal plane was deviated, and I have been suffering from an old trauma injury to my left coronid process. It is a problem that cause me great discomfort in the last 20 years. Majority of my discomfort is similar to classic symptoms of TMJ----pain upon prolong chewing and opening. I have limited opening on the left side...........ETC...........Surgery....Not for me yet. I'm 40, and it start to hurt me more frequent than when I'm 30 years old. Is the coronoid process displaced?  Signature/ Amatus / >> In article <1177304520.126527.168...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > side...........ETC...........Surgery....Not for me yet. I'm 40, and it > start to hurt me more frequent than when I'm 30 years old. > Is the coronoid process displaced? [cut] > >> - Show quoted text - > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > side...........ETC...........Surgery....Not for me yet. I'm 40, and it > > start to hurt me more frequent than when I'm 30 years old. At this point, I'm also wondering: 1. Was the coronoid process fractured as a result of the old trauma? 2. When you say the left condyle is deviated to the right, are you saying that the joint space is narrowed permanently? Is there any degenerative orthopedic disease that has been diagnosed in either joint? 2. Is there limitation of range of motion that is attributed to an orthopedic problem as opposed to that of the soft tissues only? What are your ROM measurements? If significantly limited, have these measurements been stable over a long period of time? If not, can you describe the fluctuation that is normal for you? 3. You say surgery is not for you yet. What type of surgery is being contemplated (at some future time)? In other words, and importantly, what would the surgical procedure be and what would the goal of such procedure be for you (your specific case) and with regards to the timing of such intervention. Thanks for your response and I hope to see more from you. Webby In article <tmjiatroepidemic-88CEA7.12050525042007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, > > Is the coronoid process displaced? > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > side...........ETC...........Surgery....Not for me yet. I'm 40, and it > > > start to hurt me more frequent than when I'm 30 years old. Meant to have listed 1-4 ... sorry. ~~Webby > At this point, I'm also wondering: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Webby > In article <1177304520.126527.168...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I try to reply in the past, but didn't know if you have seen this........My TMJ problem appeared 20 years ago with condyle problem on one side, and over time it has cause my occlusal plane to be on even. I have a sport injury 10 years ago that have worsen the condition. Now I suffer from limited vertical opening , Joint slide, and neck pain, headache with discomfort upon prolong opening. Why would a condyle problem cause the occlusal plane to be un-even? Signature/ Amatus / >> In article <1177304520.126527.168...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > condition. Now I suffer from limited vertical opening , Joint slide, > and neck pain, headache with discomfort upon prolong opening. > Why would a condyle problem cause the occlusal plane to be un-even? > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I was chewing on one side only and grinding with PFG against natural dentition for 10+ years NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much simpler and more effective. Signature/ Amatus / >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > but I have TMJ problem my self.....So I'm speaking from > experience........ > NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you > that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much simpler [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Man.....I think you are wrong....There is a small group of dentist who does not do crown, root canal, full mouth rehab, extraction or place implants......... All they do is treating TMJ and managing facial Pain. I referred to them frequently.....Check out www.benderdds.com....Many of my patient is treated by him successfully. I use a periolase to biostimulate TMJ problems which will release patient's TMJ discomfort. But I don't treat TMJ with NTI....I use it as a deprogramer to re-establish occlusion for my full mouth rehab cases. I do not know enough about TMJ to treat my patient. Even I suffer from chronic TMJ myself for 20 years, and gone through many TMJ lecture myself. I decided to referr my patients to someone who really know what they are doing. I do everything else Dr. Bender don't do. Sincerely...Albert Ever check out the success rates for those so-called specialists? Signature/ Amatus / >> NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you >> that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > know what they are doing. I do everything else Dr. Bender don't do. > Sincerely...Albert > Ever check out the success rates for those so-called specialists? It's really quite difficult to resist the urge to post replies into this and other related threads. Webby > / > >> NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > know what they are doing. I do everything else Dr. Bender don't do. > > Sincerely...Albert Yep, just look at the bank account. >Ever check out the success rates for those so-called specialists? >> Man.....I think you are wrong.... > Ever check out the success rates for those so-called specialists? > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think dentistry is a science, and a practice. I have referred many patient to different specialist in different subfield. Most have good to excellent result. Until I see something that is wrong.....I tend to trust the one who have more knowledge than I do. But,,,,,,,,,,,,, do they really? Signature/ Amatus / >> Ever check out the success rates for those so-called specialists? >> [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > to excellent result. Until I see something that is wrong.....I tend to > trust the one who have more knowledge than I do. > But,,,,,,,,,,,,, do they really? > > > <ahuangdds2@gmail.com> wrote in message > > I think dentistry is a science, and a practice. I have referred many > > patient to different specialist in different subfield. Most have good > > to excellent result. Until I see something that is wrong.....I tend to > > trust the one who have more knowledge than I do. How do you know if something "is wrong"? Webby > In article <qX%Xh.16669$Kd3.11...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Webby You don't......But...... when an endodontist keep breaking files, translate, doing a lots of apico on the RCT he just did 6 months ago........There is a problem When a pedo pulp and crown on every teeth that only need a 2 surface.....Something is wrong When a OMFS extract all 4 wizzy on a 12-14 years old when they goes into for ortho ext of 1st premolars When a Periodontist or OMFS restore implant crown When a TMJ specialist prescribe Narc on a weekly basis to the same patient When a Surgeon place implants on unrestoreable locations constantly > But,,,,,,,,,,,,, do they really? > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That is what I though about referring implants to perio and OMFS when I first graduated.....However I was not able to restore some of them....So I start placing them myself in 2002. But there are so much in dentistry I don't know.....I hope the specialist know more than I do. Has to be more than *hope* my friend. Signature/ Amatus / >> But,,,,,,,,,,,,, do they really? >> [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > in dentistry I don't know.....I hope the specialist know more than I > do. Yeah, *hope* I win the Lotto. Hear you need to buy tickets first. Guess I'll never win. <g> >Has to be more than *hope* my friend. >> That is what I though about referring implants to perio and OMFS when >> I first graduated.....However I was not able to restore some of >> them....So I start placing them myself in 2002. But there are so much >> in dentistry I don't know.....I hope the specialist know more than I >> do. I bought lottery tickets back in 1973. Signature/ Amatus / > > Yeah, *hope* I win the Lotto. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> in dentistry I don't know.....I hope the specialist know more than I >>> do. > I bought lottery tickets back in 1973. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Did you win? I seem to remember winning a about $15. Signature/ Amatus / >> I bought lottery tickets back in 1973. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Did you win? > I seem to remember winning a about $15. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - $15 is always better than nothing......... Not if you pent close to $35 over a six month period on the tickets. Signature/ Amatus / >> I seem to remember winning a about $15. >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > $15 is always better than nothing......... > Not if you pent close to $35 over a six month period on the tickets. > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm young, poor, Greedy, and stupid.......So I waste $10 per week on lotto ticket since 1999 >> >> > Did you win?- Hide quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I'm young, poor, Greedy, and stupid.......So I waste $10 per week on >lotto ticket since 1999 Boy, talk about a bad combination ! Your $10/wk would serve you better by buying a solid stock that pays dividends. > >> >> > Did you win?- Hide quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Your $10/wk would serve you better by buying a solid > stock that pays dividends. I totally agree.....But this $10 a week is a constant reminder for me to not taking another trip to Las Vegas. >> >> >> > Did you win?- Hide quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I totally agree.....But this $10 a week is a constant reminder for me >to not taking another trip to Las Vegas. But Vegas is so much fun ! Went there in Jan this year for my bd. Had a blast, we take $X and if that's gone we quit. We also went to a show. > >> >> >> > Did you win?- Hide quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I often goes for CE and meetings.......Much of my income also disappear there > >> On 27 Apr 2007 08:11:38 -0700, "ahuangd...@gmail.com" > >> <ahuangd...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Had a blast, we take $X and if that's gone > we quit. We also went to a show. You should have called some friends in town to join you in celebrating your BD! ;-) W. >> >> Your $10/wk would serve you better by buying a solid >> >> stock that pays dividends. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >W. Yes, I should have. Perhaps next time. > > NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you > > that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much simpler [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > know what they are doing. I do everything else Dr. Bender don't do. > Sincerely...Albert Dr. Bender may want to rethink the link he has for Dr. Shankland. http://www.benderdds.com/links.html http://www.casewatch.org/board/dent/shankland/consent.shtml Webby > In article <1177431967.809343.152...@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You are right Webby............That is not a good link...........Ha.... > NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you > that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much simpler [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Amatus I ran into a case last year where the guy charged a lady over $48,000. Nice porcelain, if you're into toilet bowl whiteness. - dentaldoc > > NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you > > that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much simpler [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - dentaldoc Good to see your posted comment ... and people don't realize ... :-( Webby (hope you're keeping well) Any improvement in the TMD symptoms beyond what one would get from putting a "dot" of resin on a pre-molar cusp. Signature/ Amatus / >> NO such specialty as TMJ. Most so-called "TMJ Specialists" will tell you >> that you must restore all your teeth for $20-30K. The NTI is much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - dentaldoc > About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -- I suspect you may have another underlining problem that the current NTI is not addressing. there are things you can do to supplement the NTI. >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >I suspect you may have another underlining problem that the current >NTI is not addressing. So your guess is that the NTI is not the problem, right? >there are things you can do to supplement the NTI. I left a message for the dentist who built the nti (not my regular dentist who is lukewarm toward it) and I have my regular checkup next week. I envision conflicting information (sigh). -- > >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > dentist who is lukewarm toward it) and I have my regular checkup next > week. I envision conflicting information (sigh). What is the explanation behind your regular dentist being "lukewarm toward it" (NIT)? You should ask for this explanation to be made very clear to you. And then you should get other opinions regarding the explanation's value. It could be that the explanation is very important to your case/needs *only*; as in case by case. Obviously, the NTI is not indicated for every "condition". Webby >Obviously, the NTI is >not indicated for every "condition". > >Webby Dang ! And here I was using the NTI to try to cure the common cold... ;-D Hiya Webby >>Obviously, the NTI is >>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >And here I was using the NTI to try to cure the common cold... Didn't help my flatulance, either. -- > >>Obviously, the NTI is > >>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -- I believe most of us here can't really tell you anything by the limited information that is available to us. Obviously you have a problem, and if this problem is related to TMJ......It is a difficult problem to treat. As a dentist with chronic TMJ; I seek treatment from dentist who limited their practice to treating TMJ, and there is very few of them. I'm in the DFW area Texas. There is only two dentist I feel confidence to treat me. But my condition may not be the same as your, and if it really bother you that much.......You need to seek help from someone who really know what they are doing. Often the best service does not come cheap....... Best wishes.....Albert > > >>Obviously, the NTI is > > >>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > service does not come cheap....... > Best wishes.....Albert A dentist who limits the practice to treating TMJ ... yikes! Webby > > >>Obviously, the NTI is > > >>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > service does not come cheap....... > Best wishes.....Albert A dentist who limits the practice to treating TMJ ... yikes! Webby (The post didn't show up, so this may be a duplicate.) It was worth saying twice.! Signature/ Amatus / > >> > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:00:24 -0700, The Webby [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > (The post didn't show up, so this may be a duplicate.) Might be some bright fellows, but they often think they know things that frankly do not exist. Jim Boyd had severe TMJ pain, and cured himself inventing the NTI. Well, not really cure, but relieve the pain and suffering. There is no known cure at this time. I make NTIs for patients all of the time who complain of TMJ discomfort. Some of them have had MRIs, CAT scans, spent thousands of dollars with different dentists and physicians. The NTI is the best treatment they've ever had. D > I believe most of us here can't really tell you anything by the > limited information that is available to us. Obviously you have a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > service does not come cheap....... > Best wishes.....Albert >>>Obviously, the NTI is >>>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Didn't help my flatulance, either. Too much information. <g> >>>>Obviously, the NTI is >>>>not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Too much information. <g> Wait! It didn't make it worse! ;-) -- > >Obviously, the NTI is > >not indicated for every "condition". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;-D Hiya Webby Hi there! Well... the NTI just lets more common cold germs in ... ;-) Webby >> >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that >> >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >to your case/needs *only*; as in case by case. Obviously, the NTI is >not indicated for every "condition". I think it was an internecine reaction or professional resistance. He'd never heard of it. I brought in some literature, which he examined and then said, "supra-eruption". I showed him the "study results". He called in the orthodontist next door. She took a look and said "supra-eruption". I showed her the "study results" and she said, "Well, if it works, great. If you get supra-eruption, you will be looking at major oral surgery.". I thought about it, did some reading, and decided it was worth the risk, since I had fractured 4-5 teeth and lost two. I figured I would pay attentionto any changes and get them checked. So far, no supra-eruption, but not this tmj thing. May be unrelated. -- > >> >> About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > >> >> fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > So far, no supra-eruption, but not this tmj thing. May be unrelated. Major oral surgery? What does that mean? Webby > >> I left a message for the dentist who built the nti (not my regular > >> dentist who is lukewarm toward it) and I have my regular checkup next > >> week. I envision conflicting information (sigh). Webby wrote: > >What is the explanation behind your regular dentist being "lukewarm > >toward it" (NIT)? You should ask for this explanation to be made very [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think it was an internecine reaction or professional resistance. ************ internecine adjective destructive to both sides in a conflict : the region's history of savage internecine warfare. ? of or relating to conflict within a group or organization : the party shrank from the trauma of more internecine strife. ORIGIN mid 17th cent.(in the sense [deadly, characterized by great slaughter] ): from Latin internecinus, based on inter- 'among' + necare 'to kill.' ************* Okay... I guess that explains a few things. Webby > On 22 Apr 2007 23:48:31 -0700, Alexander Vasserman DDS > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > -- The NTI is not the problem and will not cause supra-eruption at your age and if it is not worn 24/7 just does not happen. Look in the mirror and tell me if you lift your upper lip and see that piece of skinny tissue attaching your lip to the lower gums. You should also have one on your lower lip. The two should line up the midline when your molar teeth are pressed together. If you see a deviation to one side that is significant ie more than half the width of your lower front teeth, it means one side of your jaw is pressed too far back and needs to be aligned correctly to your lower teeth. The NTI may not be able to align your 2 jaws. Like I said you need to be examined further and there are other options which can correct your bite so that you do not get TMJ pain. Alexander Vasserman DDS www.smilesbyalex.com > About 2 years ago, a tooth literally came apart in my mouth. It had > large fillings. I ended up losing that tooth. I consulted another > dentist who said that the night guard is ineffective as stopping > bruxism, and recommended an NTI, which I got. I can't I notice a lot > of difference, but there have been no more fractured teeth. Not noticed a difference, but no more factored teeth?? Hmmm. >> About 2 years ago, a tooth literally came apart in my mouth. It had >> large fillings. I ended up losing that tooth. I consulted another [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Not noticed a difference, but no more factored teeth?? Hmmm. What I meant by "no difference" was in how it feels. I never had headaches or sore jaw muscles either with the horseshoe or before I got that one. My jaw never felt tired or sore in the morning. That was one reason that I didn't believe I had bruxism. It was only after several root canals that I tried the horseshoe. I mostly stopped fracturing teeth with the horseshoe, too. I think I had 4-5 root canals due to hairline fractures prior to the horseshoe. But I also has a lot of fillings in those teeth. My childhood dentist was also a grinder. Very bad childhood dental work. I hope he's in a dental chair in hell right now with one of those belt-driven drills and no novacain. After the horseshoe, no more fractures, but that could have been because I already fractured all the weak ones. Then, about 5 years ago, a tooth (#15) literally disintegrated while eating sushi. I lost that tooth. A couple of years later, same thing with #19. That's when I got the NTI. No fractures teeth since, but it's a very short test period so far. Is that a more complete answer? ;-) -- I would consider the NTI a huge success if you did not break any more teeth. Obviously you have an activity you do, which cracks teeth. If the NTI is preventing that,,,, good deal! Signature/ Amatus / > >>> About 2 years ago, a tooth literally came apart in my mouth. It had [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > -- Have the NTI checked for wear. You probably have worn down some of the plastic. Signature/ Amatus / > About 20-25 years ago, I got one of those plastic night guards that > fit over the upper teeth. I had had several root canals due to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -- >Have the NTI checked for wear. You probably have worn down some of the >plastic. I can't see any wear. I emailed the NTI dentist and she said to check the DE, which I did. Perfectly smooth. Not even a scratch. But I'm curious why I would wear it out. I thought the NTI was supposed to suppress bruxism by disengaging the back teeth that have the chew impulse and engaging the anti-fracture mechanism in the front teeth. No? The thing should never wear out if it's working. Right? -- In my own mouth,,,,,,,,,,,, just before falling asleep, I tend to play with the DE with my opposing incisors. Back and forth,back and forth, etc. Light pressure. Every 6-8 months, I need to polish back a tiny wear notch in it. I am about to the point where I will need to make a new one for myself. Plastic is now thin enough, that I can clench hard, flex the mandible and contact a cuspid (lightly) on the plastic. Signature/ Amatus / > >>Have the NTI checked for wear. You probably have worn down some of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -- |
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