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Horror story: Boy Dead from tooth decay
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Vaughn Simon - 01 Mar 2007 02:13 GMT "By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria from the abscess had spread to his brain, doctors said. After two operations and more than six weeks of hospital care, the Prince George's County boy died."
Entire story at; http://tinyurl.com/2a73ku
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The Webby - 01 Mar 2007 02:32 GMT > "By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria from > the abscess had spread to his brain, doctors said. After two operations and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Vaughn Just saw that story a few minutes ago on evening news... whew... :-(
Webby
jessiezyt@yahoo.com - 01 Mar 2007 06:03 GMT > In article <eFqFh.78930$5j1.54...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Webby I cannot believe tooth decay is the main cause.
George - 01 Mar 2007 13:33 GMT On Feb 28, 6:03 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I cannot believe tooth decay is the main cause. Dental disease was a common killer up to the discovery of penicillin. If you think about it, dental abscesses are very conveniently located near the brain and your neck, both extremely vital areas. Fortunately, such incidents are very rare in the developed world, but they still happen.
Regards, George
The Webby - 01 Mar 2007 14:30 GMT > On Feb 28, 6:03 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > George For a period of time (a few years), I lived with the fear of Ludwig's Angina "getting me". I was cautioned not to go more than twenty to thirty minutes away from emergency services. In effect, I was a prisoner to the very real risk of dental disease/infection.
Why? For years, I lived with a very minimal amount of mouth opening due to advanced and chronic ankylosis of the temporomandibular joints (TMJs). My dental health could not be treated because there wasn't any access to the dentition. Each time I underwent surgery to release the ankylosis (dangerous surgery with a very difficult recovery), the joints had to "heal" before any dental surgery could be done because of the risk of infection to the joints. However, by the time I recovered from the surgery, I was back to where I was before ... ankylosed again with inadequate access for dental care.
Finally, in the fall of 1991, my "team" decided we didn't have any more time to waste waiting for a "better" total joint replacement. They felt that there was a prosthesis that was performing well enough to be used in my case. The catch was this: After the surgery was done (over 12 hours in the OR), the dental work couldn't be done for as close to one year as possible or the surgery might have been "ruined". So, eleven months later, I went into the hospital for dental work that had been put off for a decade because of my jaw/jaw joint problems. Under general anesthesia, the "team" managed to get all of my most critical dental work done in about 5 hours.
In the year 2000, I underwent hospitalized dental surgery and dental "care" again ... five and a-half hours worth ... I waited for two years to get the another brewing abscess or two taken care of because there wasn't anyway to get in there to do the work ... and no one would help me. Finally, I found a way to get to the source of the dental pain **and** the fear that goes along with the risks of untreated dental abscesses.
Enough about me.
Webby
jessiezyt@yahoo.com - 01 Mar 2007 22:07 GMT > On Feb 28, 6:03 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > George Why are they rare in the developed world ?
Amatus Cremona - 02 Mar 2007 12:30 GMT Ready access to modern dental care.
It is more common is rural villages of third world countries where the closest health professional is far away and the only way to travel is by foot.
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>> On Feb 28, 6:03 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Why are they rare in the developed world ? George - 02 Mar 2007 20:00 GMT > Ready access to modern dental care. > > It is more common is rural villages of third world countries where the > closest health professional is far away and the only way to travel is by > foot. Yes, and also because people in the developed world have ready access to antibacterial medication, which could contain an infection until a dentist can be located. Working in a deprived area, I have seen quite a few people walking in the practice with grossly carious teeth and HUGE facial swellings and trismus. 6g of Amoxil work well... in fact it works so well that in many cases the patients don't bother to come back to have the offending tooth removed (that is, until the next recurrence). Before penicillin was developed, some of these people would have ended up dead. In fact, in the Victorian age people had died from shaving cuts subsequently infected with staphylococcus (hygiene was not great those days).
Regards, George
Lurker - 03 Mar 2007 05:41 GMT On Mar 1, 4:07 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 6:03 pm, jessie...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Why are they rare in the developed world ? I' not so sure it is as rare in the U.S. as we would like to believe. I have a frined whose brother died of an abcess that went into his brain (a middle class, normal working guy, non-welfare person).
Also, the recent (Demonte) case reminded me of this case in 2005. This boy was turned away because when he showed up for his prearranged appt, he was told that his teenage siblings were not old enough to give permission for the pre-appointed RCT surgery.
(Article below)
-Sue
LATE-NIGHT HOSP DRAMA KEEPS TRAGIC BX. BOY ON LIFE SUPPORT
By DOUGLAS MONTERO, DENISE BUFFA and MARSHA KRANES
April 23, 2005 --A midnight visit by a judge to the bedside of a brain- dead Bronx teen helped forge an agreement between the boy's family and hosptial officials that will keep the child alive with the aid of a respirator.
Justice Douglas McKeon stood by Taran Francis' bedside at Montefiore Hospital and mediated an end to the gut-wrenching legal battle over whether to pull the plug on the boy.
On Thursday, the hosptial told Taran's mom that they planned to take the boy off machines that help maintain his vital funcions - prompting the mom to seek and win an injunction to keep him on the respirator.
Last night, the hospital and the family agreed the boy would remain hooked up to the respirator.
"I think Judge McKeon has done a fantastic job of bringing the hospital and family together," said family lawyer Robert Genis. "I think both sides understand one another and both sides are happy."
Montefiore released a statement saying: "The conference allowed all parties to express their concerns and confirm that we all truly are in agreement with doing what is best for the child and the family."
Both sides will appear again before McKeon in Bronx Supreme Court on Monday.
Earlier yesterday, the boy's mom Marcerlyn sat in his hospital room sobbing as she recalled the start of their hosptial ordeal.
She remembered the 13-year-old's plaintive cry of "Mommy" as he was wheeled out of the emergency room.
"I told him, 'Taran, the doctor is going to take care of you. Go ahead, don't worry,' " she told The Post.
That was Monday. Taran's heart-rending "Mommy" was the last word her son would say to her.
The next time she saw Taran was on Thursday - after she learned he had been declared brain dead and his doctors matter-of-factly informed her they were going to take him off life support.
Marcerlyn went to court yesterday to stop them and won a temporary restraining order barring Montefiore Medical Center from pulling the plug on her son until she gets some answers.
According to Genis, the family traces Taran's illness back to April 6, when he had a terrible toothache.
He was taken to Bronx-Lebanon Hospital's pediatric dental clinic, and scheduled for root-canal surgery on April 15, the family said.
But when he showed up, in the care of two older teenage relatives, he was told the surgery couldn't be performed. His relatives weren't old enough to give permission for the procedure.
Two days later, on Sunday, Taran's toothache had developed into a blinding headache, and Marcerlyn also was feeling achy and disoriented.
By Monday, Taran was vomiting and seeing double. His mother called 911 and both were taken to Bronx-Lebanon Hospital.
In the emergency room, doctors examined Taran and told Marcelyn the infection that had started as a toothache had traveled to her son's brain.
That's when he was wheeled away, crying, "Mommy."
Both were admitted to the hospital and assigned to different rooms.
Soon after, Taran's doctors did a spinal tap to see if he was suffering from meningitis, said Marcerlyn's sister-in-law, Anne Marie Douglas.
"And ever since then he's been unconscious," she reported.
"They started doing CT scans, they came up negative," she said. "Then they did an MRI and found his brain was swelling."
On Tuesday, he was transferred to Montefiore.
On Wednesday, Marcerlyn got a phone call in her hospital room at Bronx- Lebanon.
She said it was a doctor phoning from Montefiore to tell her "they had to do an emergency operation" on Taran to relieve the pressure on his brain.
Marcerlyn said she gave her consent.
"The doctor said that he would call me back , but he didn't," she said.
When neither she nor her sister-in-law, who was at Montefiore keeping watch over Taran, had gotten any word on his condition by Thursday, "I decided to sign myself out of the hospital," Marcerlyn said.
She headed for Montefiore.
When a doctor appeared, the two women asked, "Should we be worried about anything?" Douglas said.
"The doctor said, 'Yes. He's literally brain dead.' " Soon after, they were approached by a hospital social worker, who told them, "We're going to give you time to mourn. You have 24 hours," said Douglas.
Asked what that meant, the social worker explained, "Legally, in New York state, the hospital has the right to take a person off life support when he's brain dead," Douglas said.
That's when Marcerlyn called a lawyer.
Douglas noted, "We pleaded with the doctors, 'This child needs time, for Christ's sake. Give him time.' "
In a chilling response, she said, the social worker told them that the only reason the hospital was giving Taran medical attention at that point was "to keep his organs functioning in case you want to donate them."
Officials at Bronx-Lebanon did not return calls for comment about Taran's illness and treatment.
State Health Department spokesman Robert Kenny said the agency was "reviewing the case."
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 03 Mar 2007 18:49 GMT > I' not so sure it is as rare in the U.S. as we would like to believe. > I have a frined whose brother died of an abcess that went into his > brain (a middle class, normal working guy, non-welfare person). Was this originally a dental abscess? One of the things they scare you about in basic sciences at school is the anatomic peculiarity of the venous drainage of the face. Specifically, the veins draining most of the face have no valvular function (unlike the majority of the rest of the venous circulation). The context of the discussion was that squeezing pimples on the face could be very dangerous, as sometimes infected material can be forced into the vein and travel in a retrograde direction--leading to what is called a cavernous sinus thrombosis. That factoid sure stopped me from squeezing my zits! The other (and even more ominous) fact is the rapid emergence of increasingly antibiotic-resistant bacterial strains. Anyone remembering the recent stories about "flesh-eating bacteria" will know what I'm talking about. This was not an isolated occurrence, and will almost certainly become a bigger and bigger problem in the future. And no, we'll NOT be able to ignore it because we think this will only happen to "other" people. Scary times!
Steve
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Lurker - 03 Mar 2007 19:22 GMT On Mar 3, 12:49 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> > I' not so sure it is as rare in the U.S. as we would like to believe. > > I have a frined whose brother died of an abcess that went into his [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Brooklyn, NY > 718-258-5001 Hello Steve,
Actually yes, his was a dental abscess. He had RCT but apparently the infection was not completely focal. I do not remember many of the details and this was not really a family friend that I knew well. A co-worker told me the story a few years ago (her brother or brother in- law) when I was going in for 2 RCTs.
Also, I remember the flesh eating bacteria. Bacteria will probably keep the pharmaceutical companies busy forever.
BTW, I had a RCT about 3 weeks ago (#13). Everything went smoothly but I am noticing pain on the left side still. It only hurts after being outside X-country skiing. I cannot tell if it is the same tooth or several teeth. I will be seeing my dentist for a 6 month check-up soon. Any ideas what may be going on? Is this typical following RCT?
Thanks for any input,
-Sue
Steven Bornfeld - 03 Mar 2007 22:10 GMT > On Mar 3, 12:49 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld > <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > -Sue No, and if you're x-country skiing in a cold area, this is likely to be thermal sensitivity. I can't totally rule out that it is connected to this tooth--maybe you clench when you're working hard? Otherwise I might look at the other teeth as well. Haven't done any real x-country skiing since I became a dad. I'm jealous.
Steve
Lurker - 04 Mar 2007 01:29 GMT On Mar 3, 4:10 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Mar 3, 12:49 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld > > <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Steve,
Thanks for the info. I am not too worried. It is not debilitating pain. And no, I am not clenching when I ski, but the cold air hits my teeth (breathing through my mouth). We had a great ski today (20 " new snow).
Congratulations on being a dad!!! I am jealous because I am not a mom. I was never able to carry full-term and we never adopted. :-(
However, you cvn still ski with kids. Here is how we used to X-Country ski with our nieces when they were young ... starting at 3 and the other was 5 yr old). We had a golden lab and they had an Irish setter. Both loved to pull! So we started the girls skjorning with the dogs while we skiied behind them. It worked out great.
Maybe you can try something like that?
Now the 3 yr old has grown (is 17 now) and skis on her high school XC ski team. :-)
....umm, not that any of this has anything to do with dentistry.
Take care :-),
Sue
Amatus Cremona - 01 Mar 2007 11:31 GMT Happens in third world countries a lot.
Unusual to occur in a modern nation.
Could lead to a good discussion about Medicaid.
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> "By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria > from the abscess had spread to his brain, doctors said. After two [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Vaughn Newbie - 01 Mar 2007 19:24 GMT >"By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria from >the abscess had spread to his brain, doctors said. After two operations and more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Vaughn Suspect that there were contributing factors.
The gist I got was a 'social responsibility' piece for the entitilement class. IOW the 'agenda' was more important to the writer than the sad fact that someone died otensibly from a dental infection. In this day and age I would say that is exceedingly rare in developed countries.
Even if Medicare paid a decent wage I would not participate.
Amatus Cremona - 01 Mar 2007 20:30 GMT If the government paid better than Burger King wages, if the majority of Medicaid patients would show up for the appointment they reserve, if the government would pay in less than 6 months, and would pay every deserving claim regardless of how old the claim form is,,,,,, then more dental offices would participate.
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> >>"By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Even if Medicare paid a decent wage I would not participate. Newbie - 01 Mar 2007 20:54 GMT Still don't think I would participate.
Am just sour on the whole enchilada.
>If the government paid better than Burger King wages, if the majority of >Medicaid patients would show up for the appointment they reserve, if the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Even if Medicare paid a decent wage I would not participate. Tony Bad - 02 Mar 2007 17:53 GMT > Still don't think I would participate. > > Am just sour on the whole enchilada. Me too. I danced that dance. It wasn't the low pay that bothered me, it was all the other aggravation.
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Lurker - 04 Mar 2007 15:25 GMT Another child (6 yr old) dies of abscess, apparently related to tooth infection:
printed March 2, 2007
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770302022
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