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Crown Removal and Replacement

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lacie - 21 Feb 2007 16:17 GMT
I had my normal 6 month appointment last week where I found out that
my previous dentist (the past 5 years) had sold the practice to a new
dentist.  He has installed all the new diagnostic tools that the
previous dentist did not have.

I had gone for 3 years with no work needed and now the new dentist
says I need to have my 2 crowns on rear molars replaced due to decay
at the gum line.  He showed me all kinds of stuff with his new x-ray
machine and oral cameral (seemed very excited about his toys).  I'm
concerned about the procedure and wanted to know what to expect.  I
guess the good news is he didn't find anything on other teeth but this
procedure scares me.

I appreciate any feedback.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 21 Feb 2007 17:20 GMT
> I had my normal 6 month appointment last week where I found out that
> my previous dentist (the past 5 years) had sold the practice to a new
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> I appreciate any feedback.

    If you have doubts about your new dentist I would always suggest a
second opinion.

Steve

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lacie - 22 Feb 2007 21:54 GMT
On Feb 21, 9:20 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> > I had my normal 6 month appointment last week where I found out that
> > my previous dentist (the past 5 years) had sold the practice to a new
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Actually this was not about lack of trust, as I have already scheduled
the appointment.  This was about the procedure, what to expect and if
there could be any damage to the underlying tooth by removing the
crown.  Does the tooth have to be re-shaped?  Just want to know what
I'm getting into.  Thanks!
Steven Bornfeld - 22 Feb 2007 22:09 GMT
> Actually this was not about lack of trust, as I have already scheduled
> the appointment.  This was about the procedure, what to expect and if
> there could be any damage to the underlying tooth by removing the
> crown.  Does the tooth have to be re-shaped?  Just want to know what
> I'm getting into.  Thanks!

   

Sometimes the old crown can be popped off, but usually it's cut off esp.
if attempting to pop it off could be expected to put unsafe force on the
tooth.  This is a clinical judgement, and ordinarily there shouldn't be
any significant risk to crown removal.
The decay at the gumline will of course have to be removed, and the
tooth will almost certainly need to be reshaped somewhat in order to
extend past the area the decay was, as the crown will have to cover this
area.  However, the total amount of additional tooth cutting should be
much less than when the crown was done the first time.  Other than that,
the procedure should be pretty much the same.

Steve
Victor - 24 Feb 2007 09:44 GMT
On Feb 22, 2:09 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> > Actually this was not about lack of trust, as I have already scheduled
> > the appointment.  This was about the procedure, what to expect and if
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>
> Steve

if the crown was placed just for a short time and there is nothing
wrong on the tooth, I mean  the crown itself has some problem, how
much more tooth will lose for the replacement? Does the tooth need to
be reshaped?

Thanks
Steven Fawks - 24 Feb 2007 13:51 GMT
> if the crown was placed just for a short time and there is nothing
> wrong on the tooth, I mean  the crown itself has some problem, how
> much more tooth will lose for the replacement? Does the tooth need to
> be reshaped?
>
> Thanks

No way to answer that question without seeing the tooth.  Often
when a defective crown is removed the dentist finds that the
shape of the prepared tooth may have contributed to the failure
of the previous crown.

Sometimes the tooth has been 'under prepared' and there is not
adequate space available for a properly made crown.  Sometimes
the tooth needs to be built up to provide a better foundation
for the crown.  Sometimes the line angles of the preparation are
sharp.  Sometimes the margins are not clear or not placed below
existing fillings.

Once in a while, I will cut off an old crown and think to myself,
"That's a nice looking prep.  I don't think it needs any work."
Most of the time, I need to do at least minor reshaping, and it
isn't uncommon to need quite a lot of work.

OTOH, the actual number of old crowns that I replace in a years time
is not very large.  I'm sure that I check thousands of crowns each
year on my patients and only replace 20-30.  I probably see another
50 that have deteriorated to the point that I have to extract the
tooth, but these are usually older patients who have had these crowns
for many years (dental health often fails rapidly as overall health
fails, and patients end up in nursing homes).

JME,
Steve

JME,
Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 24 Feb 2007 17:20 GMT
> On Feb 22, 2:09 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
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> Thanks

    What's wrong with the crown?

Steve
Victor - 25 Feb 2007 10:09 GMT
On Feb 24, 9:20 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 2:09 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
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>
> Steve

I think the newly installed crown is too low and cause toothache on a
neighbor tooth when biting down.

If the crown is too low, will it be possible to cause enamel crack on
the higher neighbor tooth? I see a long crack line across the chewing
surface. I am not trying to against my dentist, that what he is able
to do. just don't want that bad things happen on my teeth.

Daytime I try not let the teeth touch each other. But every morning
when I wake up, I feel tired on the tooth. I am worried it will damage
the tooth even more if I have it replaced. Will the tooth adapt the
new biting itself?

Thanks
Steven Fawks - 25 Feb 2007 13:38 GMT
You may be clenching your teeth at night.

Why did you have this crown made in the first place?  Had
you cracked a tooth?

Steve

> I think the newly installed crown is too low and cause toothache on a
> neighbor tooth when biting down.
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>
> Thanks
Victor - 26 Feb 2007 19:05 GMT
> You may be clenching your teeth at night.
>
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>
> > Thanks

I had the nerve removed but no root canal was done. It had a silver
filling for  8 years. One day, a small piece between two teeth broke
off when flossing.
Dartos - 26 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT
If that is truly the case, a new crown is unlikely to fix your
problems.

JMO,
D

> I had the nerve removed but no root canal was done. It had a silver
> filling for  8 years. One day, a small piece between two teeth broke
> off when flossing.
Steven Bornfeld - 25 Feb 2007 16:23 GMT
> On Feb 24, 9:20 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
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>
> Thanks

    No it will not.  It is possible that you are putting too much pressure
on the tooth when chewing, and/or that the bite discrepency may be
stimulating you to grind or clench at night.  If the bite is high it
should be adjusted; this may be enough to help your symptoms.  This
should certainly be done before replacing the crown.  It is also
possible that the gumline cavities have caused a problem for the pulp,
and this too should be evaluated.
    You may have a grinding and/or clenching problem apart from this tooth,
and this should also be evaluated and addressed.

Steve
Victor - 26 Feb 2007 18:59 GMT
On Feb 25, 8:23 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 9:20 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
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>
> Steve

It will not cause enamel crack or it will not damage
the tooth even more if I have it replaced ?

The tooth I felt high is actually a complete healthy tooth. Should the
dentist try to make adjustment on the crown instead of lowering the
good tooth?

Thanks
Amatus Cremona - 26 Feb 2007 19:06 GMT
> On Feb 25, 8:23 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
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> Thanks

I personal never grind on such a tooth until the patient has worn an NTI for
a week or two.

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 26 Feb 2007 19:09 GMT
> On Feb 25, 8:23 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
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> Thanks

    It is sometimes surprisingly difficult to pinpoint the high spot.  I've
been wrong on this in my own mouth.   
    Each situation is different; whether I'd adjust the crown or the
natural tooth depends on what precisely is there.  I'd rather reduce an
inanimate crown (acknowledging the risks of fracture, etc.) than a
natural tooth, but there is nothing wrong IMO with equilibrating a
natural tooth if the amount of grinding isn't too large and the grinding
is not down to the dentine.

Steve

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718-258-5001

Victor - 26 Feb 2007 19:51 GMT
On Feb 26, 11:09 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 8:23 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

Now I feel better, I mean the pain become less. If it does not bother
me very hard, is it better that I wait until the tooth accommodate the
new relation themselves by chewing or abrasion? Any risk for this?
I just concern that new dental adjustment may cause another problem,
and there will be endless treatment.

Thanks for your answer.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 26 Feb 2007 20:23 GMT
> On Feb 26, 11:09 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
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>
> Thanks for your answer.

    Generally speaking, unless you have been told you have outstanding
dental issues, if the pain is diminishing there is little to be lost by
waiting.

Steve

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718-258-5001

Dartos - 26 Feb 2007 23:01 GMT
Hope everyone noticed that V thinks the nerve was removed from the
tooth *without* completing a root canal.

D

>     Generally speaking, unless you have been told you have outstanding
> dental issues, if the pain is diminishing there is little to be lost by
> waiting.
>
> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 26 Feb 2007 23:21 GMT
> Hope everyone noticed that V thinks the nerve was removed from the
> tooth *without* completing a root canal.
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>>
>> Steve

    I realized this after posting--it's been a long thread.  ;-)
Ya, this should definitely be addressed.

Steve

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Newbie - 26 Feb 2007 16:01 GMT
>> if the crown was placed just for a short time and there is nothing
>> wrong on the tooth, I mean  the crown itself has some problem, how
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>Steve

The crown is fine, it's the tooth underneath that has a problem. <G>
Dartos - 26 Feb 2007 18:53 GMT
> The crown is fine, it's the tooth underneath that has a problem. <G>

You don't mean that the tooth has had one trauma too many and now
might need a root canal, do you?

Hmmm.....

Could be.  Just need to be sure that the other molar isn't cracked
and causing part/all of the pain.

D
 
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