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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / February 2007NTI Use
Sometimes I get the feeling that the NTI just hasn't been given the credit that it deserves and I am amazed that more people haven't heard of the device. After answering the last 'TMJ' question, I checked the NTI website for dentists in Kansas City who list that they use the NTI. Seven years ago, there might have been 5-10. Now there are more than 80! (including suburbs) There may be that many more who don't choose to be listed. It may not be as flashy as veneers and bleaching, but it is making it to the mainstream. :-) D > Sometimes I get the feeling that the NTI just hasn't > been given the credit that it deserves and I am [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > :-) > D Steve keep in mind that not every dentist who provides the NTI has chosen to be listed in the "Find-a-Dentist" database at www.headacheprevention.com I think there are currently 15,000 + dentists (general and specialists) that are currently using the NTI just in the USA. There are thousands more world-wide and the list grows daily. There are several million devices in service at this time as well. NTI is slowly making it to mainstream dentistry as is considered in many neuro practices as first line defense for migraine pain prevention. This month in San Diego there will be a two day ABC's of TMD's (trigeminally mediated disorders- coined by James P. Boyd DDS and Andrew Blumenfeld, MD) course at the Sheraton with James P. Boyd DDS and Barry Glassman, DMD, presenting as well as a 3rd day holding a Botox® Dental course taught by Andrew Blumenfeld, MD, a national expert and trainer in Botox®. Slowly but surely new clinicians are being trained in the use of NTI and the cause and effect will only grow in time. As always, TD Nice to see the way that they are spreading. It is a popular treatment modality with most on the other dental site that I frequent also. Hard to beat 'most effective', 'least expensive', simplest, and 'least invasive' all in the same device. I wonder how many I've made over the years. I think I can safely say 'hundreds'. D > Slowly but surely new clinicians are being trained in the use of NTI and the > cause and effect will only grow in time. > > As always, > > TD >Nice to see the way that they are spreading. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >D Makes me wonder: Do ya think Dr. Jim & Co. have kept records of your orders ? You could find out a more specific number. Bet it's thousands. Dr. SM said once started making the NTI that I would never go back. And am glad to say that I haven't !!! >> Slowly but surely new clinicians are being trained in the use of NTI and the >> cause and effect will only grow in time. >> >> As always, >> >> TD > Sometimes I get the feeling that the NTI just hasn't > been given the credit that it deserves and I am [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > :-) > D I'm curious now -- how much does this NTI device cost? It looks simple enough and must be much easier to use than the old-fashioned, bulky night guard I have. Eva > I'm curious now -- how much does this NTI device cost? It looks > simple enough and must be much easier to use than the old-fashioned, > bulky night guard I have. > > Eva How much did you pay for your bulky, ineffective piece of C*** that you have? The NTI is worth twice that much, but probably won't cost you any more. I could tell you what I charge, but I'm in the rural midwest and know that the NTIs help me almost as much as they help my patients. ;-) Steve > > I'm curious now -- how much does this NTI device cost? It looks > > simple enough and must be much easier to use than the old-fashioned, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ;-) > Steve I paid $350 for the piece of c***. It's OK -- you don't need to tell me how much you charge. I can research it myself or maybe ask about it today. I'm going in this morning for a follow-up with the oral surgeon. Thanks, Steve. :-) Oh, and the $350 was the price I paid back in the 1980s. So I'm sure they're more now. Eva > > > I'm curious now -- how much does this NTI device cost? It looks > > > simple enough and must be much easier to use than the old-fashioned, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Eva In all fairness, the 1980s were a long time ago in many ways. But in some cases, it wouldn't matter whether a "splint" or a "splint" is used. If the treatment doesn't fit the diagnosis ... anything done will be "c***". I paid $1500.00 for a particular type of "splint" that even the dentist who recommended it thought it would more than likely not change a thing. The idea was to try to make space inside the joints to free up the displaced discs which were "locked" out of place following surgical trauma during orthognathis (not TMJ) surgery. My discs were fused in a space that was also found to be fused; joint to skull. The "splint" didn't have a chance of making any difference whatsoever. It wasn't about stopping clenching or bruxing. It was about encouraging the condyles to move downward and to stay there! That was a 24/7 device and no mouth closing without splint in place was allowed without risking any progress that had been made. It was a difficult time all about pain and severe loss of jaw function and nothing got better. As helpful as the NTI has become in all sorts of applications, it wouldn't have made any difference in my case. So ... you have to be careful to remember that the NTI is only as good as it is if it is prescribed for use in a properly selected patient candidate. !! ;-) Otherwise, you just get another piece of "c***". Webby In article <tmjiatroepidemic-8A0286.14273415022007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, > The idea was to try to make space inside the joints to free up the > displaced discs which were "locked" out of place following surgical > trauma during orthognathis [sic] (not TMJ) surgery. Typos, typos. *orthognathic* ... Webby > In article <1171554475.449000.28...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Webby Well, a lot of what you said just went right over my head. I dunno. I have to keep trying to find a solution. That's all I know for sure. Meep. Eva > > In article <1171554475.449000.28...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Eva Okay. Fifteen-hundred (1500) dollars -- $1500.00 was a lot to spend on a "splint" in 1984 for one month's use, all the while knowing that it more than likely would not help the situation. But, on the other hand, it was a drop in the bucket compared to how much I had already spend trying to find a solution to my problems that started *only* after a jaw surgery went horribly wrong and secretly so ... Trying to find a solution to a secret ... now that's not easy. All in all, the $1500.00 splint didn't work and I ended up needing maxillofacial surgery anyway. First the surgeon had to operate to remove a large fractured piece of bone that was lodged and fused to my cheekbone. That was a much more complicated surgery than expected and the recovery time took months. As soon as I was strong enough, but extremely debilitated, the surgeon had to go into both joints and chip away all the bone that had fused the joints to the skull. Splints? Splints don't work for a problem like that. Not *any* splint because the only solution to those problems was the knife. My point is that no matter how effective an NTI is, it's only effective if it's being used to treat something that it is effective at treating. Soooo...... that may be even more confusing but that's the way my life got to be once the snowball started rolling down the snowy slope. BTW, all my care to date has cost probably around three-quarters of a million dollars (maybe more -- maybe less). There's no point in counting. You may say that my situation doesn't seem to apply. I would say it does. Webby > In article <1171747090.681872.258...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Webby Wow! I am sorry you've had such a hard time. Maybe I should stop complaining now. It sounds like you've been through the ringer. My problems are much smaller than yours. I just grind my teeth and have a sore jaw, which makes my ear hurt, which gives me a headache. Bless your pea-picking little heart. I hope you are coming out of the dark now. I wish you well, and I hope you heal. Eva > How much did you pay for your bulky, ineffective piece of C*** that > you have? The NTI is worth twice that much, but probably won't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ;-) > Steve What exactly does the NTI do? I am thinking that a well-fitted mouthpiece/tooth protecter for martial arts or hockey will work just as good. Unless the NTI/nightguard has other advantages of course...? Conventional bite guards and even sports guards will protect teeth from damage. They will not do anything to reduce clenching and sometimes even increase the clenching activity and intensity. There are lots of symptoms from clenching that merely protecting the teeth will not address. The NTI will reduce the clenching and make take pressure off of the TMJ, and reduce the hyperactivity of the temporalis muscle. Lots of pain goes away (neck, head, tmj, sinus). If you have zero headaches and no jaw pain, trying an OTC product (or conventional 'horseshoe') may be fine. They are much larger and more difficult to sleep with, but they are cheaper (the OTC stuff). D > What exactly does the NTI do? I am thinking that a well-fitted > mouthpiece/tooth protecter for martial arts or hockey will work just > as good. Unless the NTI/nightguard has other advantages of course...? >> How much did you pay for your bulky, ineffective piece of C*** that >> you have? The NTI is worth twice that much, but probably won't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >mouthpiece/tooth protecter for martial arts or hockey will work just >as good. Unless the NTI/nightguard has other advantages of course...? Soft mouth guards don't work for TMJ problems, period. It acts like a chew toy, and you will grind harder. (This reply is the second of two posts which are out of sequence. Cox service interruption) In article <1171815045.102820.283310@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, equesnel@unm.edu wrote: [cut] > Wow! I am sorry you've had such a hard time. Maybe I should stop > complaining now. It sounds like you've been through the ringer. My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Eva (I tried to post this and one other yesterday. Cox had a server problem. If for some reason these posts show up twice, it's because Cox couldn't say whether they were lost for good or ???) No, no. I didn't in any way intend by my words to minimize your problem. Please accept my apology if it seemed that way to you. You were fortunate in some ways that your "condition" which "necessitated" (my word, not yours and so it may not be correct to say) a "splint" as treatment did not escalate into TMJ surgery or jaw surgery for treatment. Many people were treated for "tinnitus" with total joint replacement surgeries back then. I don't know how much of it continues today. The "best minds" of dentistry were for the most part doing their best to help patients. But it's easy to create a monster with a "good idea" that given time, proves not to have been such a "good idea" afterall ... and in some cases, those ideas were disastrous (TMJ surgeries and joint implants, for instance). My "story" is a long one and just so you understand, I'm okay and living my life with what I've had to learn to live with. That's just the way it is. I have artificial jaw joints that haven't failed since placement in Jan. 1992. The long time regulars here in smd know my situation well. I've been here in smd since 1994 and so have many others. Thank you for your best wishes and I certainly offer the same to you! Webby |
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