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Eigenvector - 11 Feb 2007 16:33 GMT
For some reason I got it into my head that the use of lasers in dentistry
has pretty well ended the need for a drill or at least reduced its need.

So whenever I ask my dentist about the use of lasers (mainly as a way to
reduce anxiety) he scoffs and says that lasers are used typically for
reduction of gumline.  Also that they are extremely expensive.

Does my dentist need to go back to school or what?  What's the skinny on
lasers in the office?
krzysztof polanowski - 12 Feb 2007 10:18 GMT
Lasers
there are couple types of lasers. This one Erg_yag for "drilling" is not
very good idea . Of course its working but there is no significant
advantage of it.
The Nd_yag or diode is ok. Its very helpfull for soft tisea surgery, perio
cases , ando treatment

depends on situation . Of course there is not the most important equipment
in  dental office :))

regards kris-polanowski DDS
> For some reason I got it into my head that the use of lasers in dentistry
> has pretty well ended the need for a drill or at least reduced its need.
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> Does my dentist need to go back to school or what?  What's the skinny on
> lasers in the office?
Dartos - 12 Feb 2007 14:31 GMT
Waterlase, Hoya-Conbio, and Lares have lasers that will cut
tooth structure and remove decay.

The claims are that you don't need anesthetic *most* of the time.

I have had a Waterlase for almost 3 years and I have not found
that statement to be true.  I still use local anesthesia on most
cases.

The main advantages to the dentist is that it does not cause
fractures in the enamel and it causes much less bleeding of
the gum tissue (very helpful for certain restorations).  Patients
like not feeling any vibration, pressure, or noise through the teeth as
they are being cut.

That last one is probably a bigger consideration than dentists
normally consider.  Even when it doesn't *HURT*, touching a
spinning bur to tooth structure can be quite frightening for the
patient.  The pressure and vibrations echo through the teeth and
bones.  The laser has none of that.

The disadvantages are cost, cutting slower, and not living up to
the 'painless' promises.  It also won't cut amalgam and isn't
good for crown preps.

JME,
Steve

> For some reason I got it into my head that the use of lasers in
> dentistry has pretty well ended the need for a drill or at least reduced
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Does my dentist need to go back to school or what?  What's the skinny on
> lasers in the office?
Eigenvector - 13 Feb 2007 01:33 GMT
> Waterlase, Hoya-Conbio, and Lares have lasers that will cut
> tooth structure and remove decay.
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> JME,
> Steve

Wow, it sounds like he's on top of it then.  With my receded gumlines I
certainly don't need to have tissue removed, and other than that they
haven't replaced drills yet.

I will totally agree with you on your estimation of how much the action of a
drill can frighten patients.

>> For some reason I got it into my head that the use of lasers in dentistry
>> has pretty well ended the need for a drill or at least reduced its need.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Does my dentist need to go back to school or what?  What's the skinny on
>> lasers in the office?
krzysztof polanowski - 13 Feb 2007 08:56 GMT
practically the preparetion using lasers for hard tissue doesnt eliminate
convantional burs in 100% and next point it takes much more time.
Using this kind of laser its imporetant to have apt adhesive bonding system.

For these people who really afraid of drilling Its ok but in most part of
cases
It is not important

Tn dental office the most universal type of laser is diode.

There is couple factors:
equipment cost
the cases possible to use
the advantages for patients
cost for patient

regards kris-Polanowski DDS

>> Waterlase, Hoya-Conbio, and Lares have lasers that will cut
>> tooth structure and remove decay.
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>>> Does my dentist need to go back to school or what?  What's the skinny on
>>> lasers in the office?
Steven Fawks - 14 Feb 2007 02:11 GMT
If the patient is anesthetised, you can turn up the power and it's
not as slow as some would make it out to be.  Learning the focus length
and using 4.0 or greater magnification helps increase efficiency
greatly.

It's pretty cool to watch the decay just disappear with every
'pop'.

What is better?  Five minutes of unnerving high speed drilling or
ten minutes of a more relaxed procedure?

Steve

> practically the preparetion using lasers for hard tissue doesnt eliminate
> convantional burs in 100% and next point it takes much more time.
krzysztof polanowski - 14 Feb 2007 09:05 GMT
Yes Steve
but The cost of laser and much higher cost for patient change the situation
a little :))

regards kris-polanowski

> If the patient is anesthetised, you can turn up the power and it's
> not as slow as some would make it out to be.  Learning the focus length
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>> practically the preparetion using lasers for hard tissue doesnt eliminate
>> convantional burs in 100% and next point it takes much more time.
Dartos - 14 Feb 2007 13:51 GMT
> Yes Steve
> but The cost of laser and much higher cost for patient change the situation
> a little :))

I point to the laser and tell everyone, "This is my BMW" <G>

Outside is a 1995 Taurus.

Steve
Eigenvector - 15 Feb 2007 01:11 GMT
> If the patient is anesthetised, you can turn up the power and it's
> not as slow as some would make it out to be.  Learning the focus length
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>
> Steve

Depends on the difference in cost.  I don't have a clue what the difference
would be.

>> practically the preparetion using lasers for hard tissue doesnt eliminate
>> convantional burs in 100% and next point it takes much more time.
Steven Fawks - 15 Feb 2007 04:03 GMT
Everything in my office cost the same with or without the laser.

'Course I might not fit the mold nationwide.

Steve

> Depends on the difference in cost.  I don't have a clue what the difference
> would be.
krzysztof polanowski - 15 Feb 2007 13:36 GMT
Steven so you dont need any bur for preparation on enamel ?

regards kris
> Everything in my office cost the same with or without the laser.
>
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>> Depends on the difference in cost.  I don't have a clue what the
>> difference would be.
Dartos - 15 Feb 2007 16:30 GMT
> Steven so you dont need any bur for preparation on enamel ?

The Waterlase positively cuts enamel.  My machine starts attacking
enamel at a setting of 1.50, but it is very slow at this
setting.  If I bump it up to 3.50-4.50, it is still not nearly
as fast as a bur, but it won't take 20 minutes to cut a prep.

I just did mesial lingual composites on two upper centrals
this morning with no anesthetic, and never turning the
power up over 2.0.  No bur used to prep.  I do use Two Striper
fine diamonds to trim before polishing the restorations.

Thick enamel on molars increases prep time and I have to use
the higher settings.  This normally means anesthesia is
also needed, so I use a bur most of the time for occlusals
and interproximal preps on posterior teeth.

For me, the laser is not nearly as perfect as the salesmen
say, but it's a lot better than most of the critics opine.

JMO,
D
equesnel@unm.edu - 15 Feb 2007 20:46 GMT
> If the patient is anesthetised, you can turn up the power and it's
> not as slow as some would make it out to be.  Learning the focus length
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>
> Steve

Depending on just how much more more it costs, I vote for 10 minutes
of a more relaxed procedure.  :)

Eva
 
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