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kingdowdenis@yahoo.com - 07 Feb 2007 10:09 GMT
Any place can patients find out the reputations of a dentist?
John & Ninetta - 07 Feb 2007 10:18 GMT
> Any place can patients find out the reputations of a dentist?

If you are referring to if a dentist has ever temporarily lost his/her
licence or received disciplinary action, you can call up the
state/provincial regulator and ask them.  Keep in mind that this may not
tell you anything about their current abilities.

If you are wondering how good someone's skills are, the only way is to ask
others or experience their treatment yourself.  Any website review is just
skewed information posted by someone who either had a great or aweful
experience, with the latter being far more commonly reported despite the way
more people who have experienced the former.

J Suljak DDS
dentalcare@gmail.com - 08 Feb 2007 06:45 GMT
> > Any place can patients find out the reputations of a dentist?
>
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>
> J Suljak DDS

Well said... :-)
letsconnect - 08 Feb 2007 17:09 GMT
> Any website review is just
> skewed information posted by someone who either had a great or aweful
> experience, with the latter being far more commonly reported despite the way
> more people who have experienced the former.
>
> J Suljak DDS

Actually that's not the case - the number of positive reviews on these
types of websites far outweigh the number of negative reviews
(statistically speaking).
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 08 Feb 2007 17:55 GMT
>>Any website review is just
>>skewed information posted by someone who either had a great or aweful
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> types of websites far outweigh the number of negative reviews
> (statistically speaking).

    I think that these rating sites are subject to manipulation either way.
 The doc's whole staff and family could stuff the box with positive
ratings.
    Most patients don't know these sites exist--but most doctors do.

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

JimSocal - 08 Feb 2007 20:06 GMT
I use rating sites for many things, and I wish there was a ratings
site for dentists and doctors and chiropractors, etc.. I've even
thought of starting one for doctors and dentists, and HMO's, dental
plans, etc..

There are always negative reviews, because it's true that people with
problems are more motivated to write a review. However there are many
people who like to write, and will write positive reviews as well.

One can sort through it all and realize that everything is going to
have negative reviews; you just have to sort through and separate it
out, realizing that some people have bad experiences that does not
mean the service or product is bad, especially if it has some positive
reviews as well.

It's like software reviews: When reading reviews of software, you
ALWAYS find a percentage - maybe 10%  or more - who say "This software
totally screwed up my computer!" But when you see that 80-90%
installed it without it screwing up their computer, you realize it's
probably safe to buy it, if it otherwise seems to have good reviews. I
have found reading software reviews to be very useful, regardless of
this dynamic of people bitching because they had a problem with
something.

I think a review site for dentists and doctors would be the same. You
would tend to get a lot of negatives because those are the people who
are most motivated to bitch about their bad experience. However, you
would ultimately get a balanced amount of reviews, as more people used
the site to search for a dentist or doctor in their new area, for
example. If the dentist or doctor put up a sign or gave out a card
that said "If you had a positive experience with me, please take a few
minutes to report it at www.doctorreviews.info", for example, I think
once the site got a lot of reviews, they would balance out to really
indicate whether or not the doctor was good or not.

As one who reads a lot of reviews on products, I think it would
balance out, and only the bad dentists would get slammed. The fact is,
there ARE a lot of bad dentists and doctors. Probably no more than
other professions, it's just that these bad service providers have
more of a negative impact on your life.

I wish I could have had reviews on some of the dentists I've gone to,
who've totally screwed up and caused my wife and I problems. It turns
out, for example, I talked to 2 other people after the fact, who had
bad experiences with one of these same dentists.
JimSocal - 08 Feb 2007 20:10 GMT
P.S. This type of rating site would be much more useful for large
cities than small towns. In a small town everyone knows if the dentist
is good or not, word gets around. And I think if you are going to work
in a small town, you'd BETTER be a damn good dentist!

But in the Big City, bad dentists proliferate, in part perhaps because
they need to see a LOT of patients in order to pay the high rent, etc.
then hire more help, and the next thing you know you've got a cattle
call.

But even the small offices in big cities - a bad dentist can operate
and get more patients in spite of his lack of skill, just because
there is a constant influx of new people looking for a new dentist. So
if that dentist sends out flyers "$25 cleaning" or whatever, he will
get patients in spite of how lousy a dentist he is, just because
people are always looking for a new dentist and they find it difficult
to get personal recommendations. So they go with the flyer and get
caught up with a bad dentist.

I'm not saying all dentists who send out flyers are bad, just that
this is one way a bad dentist keeps operating in a big city.
Emily - 09 Feb 2007 02:02 GMT
> P.S. This type of rating site would be much more useful for large
> cities than small towns. In a small town everyone knows if the dentist
> is good or not, word gets around. And I think if you are going to work
> in a small town, you'd BETTER be a damn good dentist!

I'm kinda a lurker, coming out of lurking for a bit.  My parents live in
a TINY town (more cows than people) and about half the town sees the
local dentist, the other half thinks he's a quack. His dentistry may be
marginal, but I think it has more to do with his VERY controversial (and
sometimes offensive) political opinions, that he forces upon everyone in
his chair.

> But in the Big City, bad dentists proliferate, in part perhaps because
> they need to see a LOT of patients in order to pay the high rent, etc.
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> I'm not saying all dentists who send out flyers are bad, just that
> this is one way a bad dentist keeps operating in a big city.

As for finding a good dentist, what one person really likes in a dentist
may not be right for another. There is another dentist, that is highly
recommended by the half of the town that doesn't go to the local one. He
has a main practice in the big city (where I live) about an hour away,
and he has a satellite practice in a small town about half an hour away.
 He is generally regarded as a good dentist. My parents and all my
family see him.  So, when my parents (five years ago now) decided I
needed to go to a dentist (because I hadn't been in five years, a
phobic, and as soon as I moved away from my good middle school/high
school dentist, and was on my own stopped going), they of course signed
me up with him. I'm sure I could have read good things on a site about
him, or asked around and heard some not so good things, but he seemed a
good choice. He did fine for my parents.  They explained my phobia to
the hygienist, who was pretty decent, and to him, and I filled out in
detail about it on the intake form. (I was on disability for a mental
illness at the time, off now and working and doing well in that
department. I had medicaid, which covered dental at the time, and I
think may have made this dentist not so happy to treat me--many
docs/dentists/etc. aren't so fond of medicaid patients, as they often
are not as responsible as other patients and medicaid doesn't pay much
etc.). He was not at all sympathetic to my needs, and in fact almost
refused to treat me mid-procedure. But, I managed to get the couple of
fillings I needed done, though not comfortably.  He does not have gas
equipment in his satellite office, but he does in his main office. He
did not mention this at ALL to me (even though my parents would have
paid for it if medicaid didn't cover it), and he did not offer valium or
anything, just novacaine, and he didn't tell me when he was going to put
his hands in my mouth, just started doing it, NOT what works for me. The
dentist I had before was well trained in pain/phobia management, and did
a great job with me.

Well, He may be a fine dentist for my family, but not for me.  So, it is
great to ask around, look at sites and what not, and get as much
information as you can, but the ultimate test is the appointment, and
how it goes for you. If you don't like the dentist, find a new one.

I made a resolution this year to find a good dentist I can work with. I
asked for a Christmas gift to have a visit with an oral sedation dentist
who specializes in phobics. I know I need to take better care of my
teeth (though they are actually fine amazingly! I do have some gum
issues, but those will soon resolve now that I will get a thorough
cleaning (2 visits, cause there's a lot of cleaning since it's been so
long), and my parents are getting off the hook easy, since I need no
fillings/sedation (except some valium), and my dental insurance is great
for the prophylacitc stuff, just not for the problems.  I had my
appointment with this dentist a couple of weeks ago, and SHE IS
AWESOME!!  Her whole staff is, and they really know how to make phobics
feel better (even the receptionists). SO, I am confident I have found
the right dentist for me for life.

So, even with all the good info in the world, the actual appointment is
really the key. If it doesn't go well, find another dentist. Sure, do
research, and find out some things first, there can be red flags that
will tip you off it won't go well ahead of time, but until you meet the
dentist and see how you interact with him/her you won't know for sure.
If the dentist doesn't meet your specific needs/expectations, then find
one who does.
Just my $.02

Emily
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Feb 2007 03:02 GMT
>> P.S. This type of rating site would be much more useful for large
>> cities than small towns. In a small town everyone knows if the dentist
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>
> Emily

Excellent!

Good luck,
Steve
John & Ninetta - 09 Feb 2007 10:57 GMT
> I'm kinda a lurker, coming out of lurking for a bit.  My parents live in a
> TINY town (more cows than people) and about half the town sees the local
> dentist, the other half thinks he's a quack. His dentistry may be
> marginal, but I think it has more to do with his VERY controversial (and
> sometimes offensive) political opinions, that he forces upon everyone in
> his chair.

Unless the patient asks and really presses you, there are two things you
should not discuss as a dentist:  politics and religion.  Not everyone could
possibly agree with your opinion, so you'll just make some people upset.
Why would you want someone to leave your office upset?  Makes no sense to
me.  Just my opinion.

J Suljak DDS
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Feb 2007 15:46 GMT
>> I'm kinda a lurker, coming out of lurking for a bit.  My parents live in a
>> TINY town (more cows than people) and about half the town sees the local
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> J Suljak DDS

    Just so you know it goes both ways--I have this old guy in his 80's--a
radical LaRouchie--always plying me with libertarian screeds.  I
tolerate it, though (besides my distaste for his politics) it really
takes up time.  And yes, I've tried to shut him up...

Steve
Steven Fawks - 09 Feb 2007 16:35 GMT
Assistants need to be trained on placing a rubber dam...maybe even
for a prophy.

;-)
Steve

>     Just so you know it goes both ways--I have this old guy in his
> 80's--a radical LaRouchie--always plying me with libertarian screeds.  I
> tolerate it, though (besides my distaste for his politics) it really
> takes up time.  And yes, I've tried to shut him up...
>
> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Feb 2007 16:54 GMT
> Assistants need to be trained on placing a rubber dam...maybe even
> for a prophy.

    This might call for more drastic measures:

http://www.himonkey.net/costumes/jellyfish.jpg

Steve

> ;-)
> Steve
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>>
>> Steve
Newbie - 09 Feb 2007 17:34 GMT
That is the ugliest Vermont Teddy Bear I have ever seen !  ;0)

Where do you find this stuff.

>> Assistants need to be trained on placing a rubber dam...maybe even
>> for a prophy.
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>>>
>>> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Feb 2007 18:15 GMT
> That is the ugliest Vermont Teddy Bear I have ever seen !  ;0)
>
> Where do you find this stuff.

    What I was really looking for was an image of Jack Bauer suffocating
his brother with a plastic bag on "24".

Steve

>>> Assistants need to be trained on placing a rubber dam...maybe even
>>> for a prophy.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>>>
>>>> Steve
Newbie - 09 Feb 2007 16:39 GMT
>>> I'm kinda a lurker, coming out of lurking for a bit.  My parents live in a
>>> TINY town (more cows than people) and about half the town sees the local
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Steve

Rubber Dam
kingdowdenis@yahoo.com - 09 Feb 2007 09:45 GMT
> I use rating sites for many things, and I wish there was a ratings
> site for dentists and doctors and chiropractors, etc.. I've even
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> out, for example, I talked to 2 other people after the fact, who had
> bad experiences with one of these same dentists.

I agree. Percentage is most likely to disclose thing. Patients give
bad reviews because they are irritated and want to warn others the bad
services.  I think it may be useful for others to find a safe office
to have teeth fixed, if not a best one.

I never expect my dentist is among the top ones in the area. I just
need a dentist who will not give my life a negative impact.
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Feb 2007 15:42 GMT
>> I use rating sites for many things, and I wish there was a ratings
>> site for dentists and doctors and chiropractors, etc.. I've even
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> I never expect my dentist is among the top ones in the area. I just
> need a dentist who will not give my life a negative impact.

    I hope your expectations can be at least a little bit better than that! ;-)

Steve
kingdowdenis@yahoo.com - 09 Feb 2007 19:15 GMT
On Feb 9, 7:42 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> kingdowde...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> I use rating sites for many things, and I wish there was a ratings
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> Steve

What can I do with so little information?  If the minimum expectation
can be satisfied, I am alreay happy.
kingdowdenis@yahoo.com - 09 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT
Are you guys all from NY? Can anyone recommend a dentist in Los
Angeles area?
JS - 09 Feb 2007 23:34 GMT
On Feb 9, 2:22 pm, kingdowde...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Are you guys all from NY? Can anyone recommend a dentist in Los
> Angeles area?

If money is no object, I can recommend one. I don't go to him because
his prices are too high. And, just fyi, he does not take most
insurance (which I quit using, anyway, because it's a scam).

But if you don't mind going to one of the highest priced dentists in
the L.A. area, I can give you his phone number. He's in Westchester
area or somewhere around there - Culver City south or something like
that. My friend who has plenty of money uses him and swears by the
quality of his work.

Otherwise, for a lower price - though not cheap - I highly recommend
the USC AEGD (graduate school) dental school; but they only take new
patients at certain times. They MIGHT take one now... It's good
because a) they don't sell you services and materials you don't need;
b) they do things the right way; c) they have good supervision by the
profs d) they have pretty modern facilities and I've gotten good
treatment there.
JS - 10 Feb 2007 02:39 GMT
On Feb 9, 2:22 pm, kingdowde...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Are you guys all from NY? Can anyone recommend a dentist in Los
> Angeles area?

I have not used him but this dentist posts here and seems to be pretty
good. Has an impressive web site:
http://www.smilesbyalex.com/
He's in downtown Los Angeles.
kingdowdenis@yahoo.com - 09 Feb 2007 09:55 GMT
> I use rating sites for many things, and I wish there was a ratings
> site for dentists and doctors and chiropractors, etc.. I've even
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> out, for example, I talked to 2 other people after the fact, who had
> bad experiences with one of these same dentists.

I agree. Percentage is likely to disclose something important.
Patients give
bad reviews because they are irritated and want to warn others the bad
services.  I think it may be useful for others to find a safe office
to have teeth fixed, if not a best one.

I never expect my dentist is among the top ones in the area. I just
need a dentist who will not give my life a negative impact.
Dartos - 08 Feb 2007 20:17 GMT
When I did a search in Kansas City, there was a disclaimer that
the results would not be completely inclusive. 186 dentists had asked
to be removed from the 'service'.

I wasn't listed, but I'm just an old country hack.

;-)
D

>     I think that these rating sites are subject to manipulation either
> way.  The doc's whole staff and family could stuff the box with positive
> ratings.
>     Most patients don't know these sites exist--but most doctors do.
>
> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 08 Feb 2007 22:09 GMT
> When I did a search in Kansas City, there was a disclaimer that
> the results would not be completely inclusive. 186 dentists had asked
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ;-)
> D

    Someone on another mailing list recommended this one--designed for New
York doctors (physicians only, no dentists).  I registered and looked up
some of the doctors I've been to.  Most doctors only had a few ratings,
and these were of course less useful than those with a lot of ratings.
I suppose there is some good information that can come out of it--but
I'm inclined to consider the source of any information--something
manifestly impossible on a site like this:

http://www.mdinfocentral.com/mdinfo/index.jsp

Steve

>>     I think that these rating sites are subject to manipulation either
>> way.  The doc's whole staff and family could stuff the box with
>> positive ratings.
>>     Most patients don't know these sites exist--but most doctors do.
>>
>> Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Newbie - 07 Feb 2007 15:13 GMT
>Any place can patients find out the reputations of a dentist?

Your friends and family, and of course patients.
letsconnect - 07 Feb 2007 19:48 GMT
On Feb 7, 11:09 am, kingdowde...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Any place can patients find out the reputations of a dentist?

http://www.doctoroogle.com/ would be the biggest U.S. website.
 
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