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jdm003 - 10 Dec 2006 00:08 GMT
My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
teeth, so she needs a partial for that gap. And on the left side, after
the front teeth she has a 3-tooth bridge, underneath are teeth #11 and
#13, with #12 missing. Tooth #14 is OK. Tooth #11 had a root canal and
then the pre-existing bridge was recemented. Now, the bridge is not
fitting well enough on the teeth to hold long-term (it has gotten loose
recently and had to be recemeted). So something has to be done about
this area - either redo some aspect of the bridge and/or the teeth,
or make the partial cover the left side as well, and with new crowns
done on #11 and #13, I believe.

Does anyone know:
- The benefits, in this situation, of saving teeth #11 and #13 vs.
extractions?
- Should we consider saving #11 but extracting #13?
- If the bridge is recemented, whether crowns are needed underneath,
and what the criteria are in this decision?
- How do we pick between using the pre-existing bridge or making the
partial to cover the left side?

We would like to understand the options and the rationale before
proceeding. I have talked to the financial advisor at the dentists'
office, but since I am not the patient, it is awkward to actually talk
to the dentist, which would be better. Any comments on what I have
described would be appreciated.
dentaltwin@earthlink.net - 10 Dec 2006 01:44 GMT
> My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
> side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
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> to the dentist, which would be better. Any comments on what I have
> described would be appreciated.

It is difficult to give specific recommendations based on your post.
If I understand you correctly, root canal was done on #11 after the
bridge, and this compromised the fit of the bridge.
The dentist certainly should be willing to discuss this with you and/or
your mother, and I see no reason for embarassment.
The best treatment will depend not only on expense, but the condition
of the remaining upper teeth (why are you considering having #13
extracted?) and your mother's general health and ability to maintain
significant restorative treatment.
Generally upper canine teeth such as #11 have long roots and thus are
excellent holding teeth for either fixed bridge or partial denture.
Also, if a partial denture is made, it usually will be more stable if
there are teeth being replaced on BOTH sides.  One consideration might
be removing the false tooth from the bridge, and if the crown on #13 is
still in good shape re-cementing that; then making a new crown on
#11--and then making a partial denture that will replace the missing
teeth on the right side and tooth #12 on the left.
There are a number of possible scenarios--the dentist should be willing
to kick them around with you and your mother--this is normal, everyday
dental-type stuff.

Good luck,
Steve Bornfeld, DDS
jdm003 - 10 Dec 2006 05:02 GMT
> > My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
> > side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
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> Good luck,
> Steve Bornfeld, DDS

Thanks for the reply to this, Steve. The extraction of a tooth has been
considered because the crown to keep it costs almost $1,000. I think
that's a good motivation for at least thinking about all the options.
Also, that tooth extracted would mean a denture would fill two spaces
on that side instead of only one, but of course that is not as
important as whether the tooth should be saved. I'm sure there are
other reasons to not extract the tooth, which you could fill me in on
if you like.

It sounds like you like the idea of the partial going to the other side
for stability. I believe it would have only one tooth if the two teeth
are saved. Thanks for the advice and feel free to add something about
partial vs. bridge if you like. We will also talk more to the dentist.

John
dentaltwin@earthlink.net - 10 Dec 2006 19:04 GMT
> Thanks for the reply to this, Steve. The extraction of a tooth has been
> considered because the crown to keep it costs almost $1,000. I think
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>
> John

One consideration in deciding to keep tooth #11 is that it is both
generally much stronger than #10 (upper left lateral incisor) if a
clasp is needed to stabilize the partial in this area, and it may be
more difficult to clasp the lateral incisor in an inconspicuous place.

Steve
jdm003 - 11 Dec 2006 02:53 GMT
> > Thanks for the reply to this, Steve. The extraction of a tooth has been
> > considered because the crown to keep it costs almost $1,000. I think
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>
> Steve

Thanks, Steve. We were thinking to keep #11 for sure. What about #13,
can you sell me on keeping that one? (Not that you're under any
obligation to, of course!) And are there any other considerations on
partial vs. bridge for the left side, aside from what you already said
about stability of the partial?
dentaltwin@earthlink.net - 11 Dec 2006 03:35 GMT
> Thanks, Steve. We were thinking to keep #11 for sure. What about #13,
> can you sell me on keeping that one? (Not that you're under any
> obligation to, of course!) And are there any other considerations on
> partial vs. bridge for the left side, aside from what you already said
> about stability of the partial?

#13 may well be worth saving if it's in good shape, particularly if the
molars (#14 and 15) aren't so hot.
Whether to go for the bridge generally should look at the entire arch.
I don't see any reason to do a fixed bridge to replace #12 and then do
a unilateral partial denture to replace the missing teeth on the right
side.  If you and your mom have the money and inclination, you might
wish to see if the missing teeth on the right side could be replaced
with implants.  That's really the only scenario I see that replacing
the fixed bridge on the left side makes sense.  If you don't replace
the teeth on the right side you encourage chewing on the left side.  (I
say this without knowing the situation on the lower jaw, which we
haven't discussed.  The ideal is to get optimal function on both sides.
We can't always get it, but it's what we aim for).

Steve
jdm003 - 12 Dec 2006 00:05 GMT
> > Thanks, Steve. We were thinking to keep #11 for sure. What about #13,
> > can you sell me on keeping that one? (Not that you're under any
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>
> Steve

I noticed in my first post that I was asking about extraction of teeth
#11 and #13, but then later in another post I said we were thinking of
keeping #11 for sure. Sorry about the confusion. We will probably keep
both of them if possible.

We could get a bridge on both sides of the top (2 bridges total), but I
believe this is more expensive. We weren't quoted on that. She would
not have to move around an upper partial all the time then. Since you
asked about the lower jaw, I'll tell you that she has a partial on the
bottom that covers gaps on both sides. Is a top partial more
uncomfortable because it has the plate across the roof of the mouth? I
guess that's something we should know.

John
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 12 Dec 2006 00:55 GMT
>>>Thanks, Steve. We were thinking to keep #11 for sure. What about #13,
>>>can you sell me on keeping that one? (Not that you're under any
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>
> John

    Generally a partial on the top is (if anything) LESS of a problem,
unless it requires a full palate and the patient is a gagger.  Since
there are apparently molars on both sides this seems unlikely to require
a full palate.  This is a separate issue from retaining individual teeth.

Steve

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Newbie - 11 Dec 2006 16:53 GMT
>> Thanks for the reply to this, Steve. The extraction of a tooth has been
>> considered because the crown to keep it costs almost $1,000. I think
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>
>Steve

True but, one word: equipoise
Newbie - 11 Dec 2006 16:45 GMT
>> > My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
>> > side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
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>
>John

If you could post some x-rays we would be better able to advise you.
In the geriatric patient keeping treatment simple is the order of the day IMO.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 11 Dec 2006 19:09 GMT
>>>>My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
>>>>side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
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> If you could post some x-rays we would be better able to advise you.
> In the geriatric patient keeping treatment simple is the order of the day IMO.

Agreed.

Steve

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jdm003 - 12 Dec 2006 00:07 GMT
> >> > My Mom is 79 years old. She needs work on her upper teeth. On the right
> >> > side, she has the #2 tooth and then some missing teeth till the front
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> If you could post some x-rays we would be better able to advise you.
> In the geriatric patient keeping treatment simple is the order of the day IMO.

I don't have any x-rays to post.
 
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