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NHS vs Private crowns

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nonsuch - 05 Dec 2006 20:28 GMT
My dentist recently advised me that a previously heavily repaired tooth
which is showing signs of decays again would be better replaced with a
crown. I have no objection with his reccommendation but I now have to
make a choice. The location of the tooth, although not a front one,
makes it eligible for ceramic finish. I have to decide whether to have
a NHS crown or a Private one. There is obviously a significant cost
difference between the two and before making my choice I would like to
known if ther are differences in terms of design, quality, confort and
long term reliability. Or are they simply the same ?
Thank you very much.
George - 05 Dec 2006 22:08 GMT
The main priority of the NHS is to provide lost function rather than
aesthetics. The crown you're going to get on the NHS is porcelain
bonded to a non-precious alloy, which is the cheapest kind. Since the
technician making the crown is paid a very small amount for it
(typically £25-35), he's not really going to spend too much time with
cosmetic concerns like excellent shade matching or high anatomical
detail. But if you're looking only for function/protection, you could
be served by a NHS crown.
Privately, you could get the option of porcelain bonded to high noble
alloy or even an all-ceramic crown. When it comes down to all-ceramic
crowns, there are several different systems in the market; your dentist
can advise you one the ones actually used by him/her.

Regards,
George
nonsuch - 06 Dec 2006 08:06 GMT
> The main priority of the NHS is to provide lost function rather than
> aesthetics. The crown you're going to get on the NHS is porcelain
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Regards,
> George

Thank you George for your response.
I appreciate now where the cost difference comes from. However I would
like to know what the disadvantage of a non precious alloy is in term
of strength and durability if any.
I accept that esthetical quality of the finished crown may not be as
good as a porcelain bonded to high noble alloy or all ceramic crown.

Most grateful for your answers.

Regards
Nonsuch
Steven Bornfeld - 06 Dec 2006 13:49 GMT
>> The main priority of the NHS is to provide lost function rather than
>> aesthetics. The crown you're going to get on the NHS is porcelain
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Regards
> Nonsuch

    I've used precious alloys; I've used nonprecious alloys.  IMO, the
esthetics of the finished crown are almost entirely the talent of the
ceramist.  I haven't noticed any significant difference in durability
between precious and non-precious alloys.
    Some patients are sensitive to one or another component of dental
casting metals.  In the early days of non-precious alloys, nickel was
used, and this is a common allergen--plus it tarnishes green at the
gumline.  I don't think you'll find significant nickel in casting alloys
anymore.  One more issue, and a personal one to one of our regular
posters, is that some non-precious alloys still contain beryllium, which
is a severe health risk for laboratory technicians.  Dentists who allow
their labs to use these alloys are allowing an unacceptable practice.

Steve
Dartos - 06 Dec 2006 18:01 GMT
Strength and durability, nil.

However, there are more concerns that come to mind with
any treatment that is 'cheap' compared to treatment that
is more expensive.

How many corners are being cut?

1.  Is the initial preparation shaped and the margins clear?

2.  Was an accurate impression taken of the preparation?

3.  Was the crown fabricated to precisely fit the model?

4.  Are the contacts and occlusion adequate?

5.  What cement is used to place the crown?

Spending a lot of money doesn't mean that everything will
be done right, but doing things 'on the cheap' increase
the chances of shoddy work.  With crowns, you are paying
a lot more for labor than materials, so if you cut your
labor cost dramatically, something has to give.

JMO,
D

 disadvantage of a non precious alloy is in term
> of strength and durability if any.

> Regards
> Nonsuch
George - 06 Dec 2006 18:47 GMT
Hello again,

The non-precious alloy is as you can imagine significantly cheaper for
the lab to use, especially with the cost of gold skyrocketing recently.
But more importantly, by paying a higher fee you are actually buying
time from both the dentist and the dental technician to focus on
producing a decent crown for you to use, one that has a proper shade,
aesthetics, well-fitting margins and appropriate shape to protect the
tooth, give you a comfortable bite and maintain the health of your gums
around it.
The low cost/high demand NHS services have created an enviroment of
"drill&fill", something like a conveyor belt in a factory where
patients are treated quickly. Even with a good dentist in charge this
can lead to "hit&miss" treatments. I'm not saying a NHS crown will not
work for you, there is a good chance it might be ok, but there is also
a chance it might be less than ideal.

My advice to my patients is to go for the nicest thing that is within
their means, pretty much like when buying a car. Buying the most
expensive private crown could be a poor decision if you don't have
enough money to pay your mortgage next month. With Christmas almost
upon us I guess it's going to be a tough decision!

Regards,
George
tuthjockey@myturbonet.com - 07 Dec 2006 00:31 GMT
Another consideration is what (if anything) will 'saving money'
*now*, *cost* you later?

I've seen a lot of cases of HMO dentistry that has ended up
costing the patient thousands of dollars to repair later.  Some
cases even lose teeth, not just the cost of correct repairs.

I have no direct knowledge of NHS, but it sounds quite similar
to the HMO schemes in the US.

Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you get less.

D

Buying the most
> expensive private crown could be a poor decision if you don't have
> enough money to pay your mortgage next month. With Christmas almost
> upon us I guess it's going to be a tough decision!
>
> Regards,
> George
tuthjockey@myturbonet.com - 07 Dec 2006 00:32 GMT
Another consideration is what (if anything) will 'saving money'
*now*, *cost* you later?

I've seen a lot of cases of HMO dentistry that has ended up
costing the patient thousands of dollars to repair later.  Some
cases even lose teeth, not just the cost of correct repairs.

I have no direct knowledge of NHS, but it sounds quite similar
to the HMO schemes in the US.

Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you get less.

D

Buying the most
> expensive private crown could be a poor decision if you don't have
> enough money to pay your mortgage next month. With Christmas almost
> upon us I guess it's going to be a tough decision!
>
> Regards,
> George
 
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