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Please Explain These Extraction Procedures!

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REP - 07 Nov 2006 03:40 GMT
I had my #15 extracted today. It was very badly broken, with very little
tooth left past the gumline, but the oral surgeon was able to extract it
with forceps and no cutting of the gum and what was left of the tooth
was extracted in one piece. I was billed for an ADA code D7210, which my
dental plan describes as either "Surgical removal of erupted tooth
requiring elevation of mucoperiosteal flap and removal of bone and/or
section of tooth" or "Surgical removal of erupted tooth requiring
elevation of mucoperiosteal flap and removal of bone and/or section of
tooth."

I am not sure if I was billed for the correct procedure (I was asked to
pay *before* the procedure was done), but since I'm not entirely sure I
understand these descriptions - they sound as though they involve quite
a bit more work than pulling out the tooth with forceps - could someone
please describe in layman's terms what an ADA D7210 involves? Thank you!

In retrospect, I realize I probably shouldn't've paid until after the
tooth was pulled, and I admit I wasn't thinking straight due to the size
of tooth that had just broken away and the sharp tooth fragment
painfully stabbing my cheek. I probably don't have much recourse if I
was billed for a more expensive procedure than was performed, but I'm
still curious.

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Steven Bornfeld - 07 Nov 2006 04:02 GMT
> I had my #15 extracted today. It was very badly broken, with very little
> tooth left past the gumline, but the oral surgeon was able to extract it
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> was billed for a more expensive procedure than was performed, but I'm
> still curious.

    If it was done as you describe, it sounds more like D7140, a routine
forceps extraction.  Of course an insurance company will almost never
know if an extraction is surgical or not, but you might ask.  Often, one
criterion is whether sutures were used.

Steve
REP - 07 Nov 2006 08:17 GMT
> > I had my #15 extracted today. It was very badly broken, with very little
> > tooth left past the gumline, but the oral surgeon was able to extract it
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> know if an extraction is surgical or not, but you might ask.  Often, one
> criterion is whether sutures were used.

Insurance won't ask, because I don't have any - I have a reduced-fee
plan that's not insurance and I paid the entire cost out of my pocket.
No, no sutures, no incisions, no other tools than forceps and a wad of
gauze. Well, I know now that if, Tooth Fairy forbid, I need another
extraction, to go to another oral surgeon!

Thank you for your reply.

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Steven Bornfeld - 07 Nov 2006 16:42 GMT
>>> I had my #15 extracted today. It was very badly broken, with very little
>>> tooth left past the gumline, but the oral surgeon was able to extract it
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>
> Thank you for your reply.

    Unfortunately, "upbilling" of services is very common--both in
insurance and discount plans.
    In fairness to the surgeon, the distinction between a surgical and
non-surgical extraction is not always clear cut, and reimbursement
levels are not always fair.  For instance, removing 4 loose lower
incisors, recontouring bone and placing a couple of sutures can
sometimes be reimbursed legitimately at a higher rate per tooth than
taking out an upper second molar with dilacerated roots with a forcep.
    It may be bending the truth to call this a surgical extraction.  Still,
the average fee for a non-surgical extraction of an erupted tooth by an
oral surgeon is probably over $200 (I'm just guessing).  If you paid
less than this, you probably got a bargain, and if it was done quickly
and well and with little postoperative pain, I wouldn't make a fuss
about it.

Steve
REP - 08 Nov 2006 06:07 GMT
>     Unfortunately, "upbilling" of services is very common--both in
> insurance and discount plans.
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> and well and with little postoperative pain, I wouldn't make a fuss
> about it.

I paid $252 for the exam, x-ray and extraction. I don't have any
complaint about the work itself - it was the most skillful Novacaine
injection I've ever had, for one - and the while it does hurt like hell,
that's not surprising, since my teeth have unusually long roots that
enter the sinus. (The surgeon didn't prescribe painkillers, but my
internist did.) I was just curious if the procedure I had matched the
procedure I was billed for - I'm not planning to rush to his office and
throw a fit or anything; I'll just know that if I need more of this kind
of work, to not pay before it's done and to consider another oral
surgeon.

Again, thank you for your replies. I have really terrible teeth and am
just finally now able to begin getting them worked on, and what I don't
know about dental work is vast.

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Newbie - 08 Nov 2006 22:01 GMT
>> > I had my #15 extracted today. It was very badly broken, with very little
>> > tooth left past the gumline, but the oral surgeon was able to extract it
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>
>Thank you for your reply.

Of course even though you were there you didn't see what the surgeon did.

Any tooth off at the gumline can be considered a 'surgical' extraction.
 
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