Hello to all who read this,
This is my first post on this group, and I want to thank those of you
that can help me out in advance :-)
I am 22 years old and a non-smoker, and have questions on a procedure
that my dentist has told me I need. I apparently need a graft to treat
teeth # 20 through #28. I know that a picture can only tell you so
much, but hopefully I can get an idea of what I should do about my
recession, in other words what would you do if you were my periodontist
and what should I ask my periodontist before having the surgery... Here
is a picture of my teeth. <p><a
href="http://members.aol.com/mp1984/dental">
http://members.aol.com/mp1984/dental</a></p>
I have consulted with three periodontists and this is what each one has
said:
Periodontist # 1 - grade II - mucogingival involvement for teeth #'s
20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28. No attached keratinized tissue.
High frenum attachment. Probing depths were 2-3 mm. Bone levels
generally within normal limits. Correction by means of subepithelial
connective tissue graft. (He mentioned using alloderm; is that what
subepithelial connective tissue graft means?)
Periodontist #2 - Does not want to use alloderm like Periodontist #1
and wants to do only teeth 23, 24, 25, 26. and worry about the rest at
a later time... Wants to use my own tissue for these.
Periodontist #3 - This periodontist contact was via E-mail with the
attached picture above... He says he does not like to use alloderm
because he does not like the long term results (being that I am 22). He
mentioned that the bone on the front surface of these teeth is very
thin and has also receeded and that this is a permanent change.
(Doesn't this contradict Periodontist #1 that says bone levels normal?)
He also mentions that it is important to get rather large amounts of
thicker connective tissue in order to have tissue that will hold up
without further problems.
Now concerns of mine are:
Does the delicate mucosa need to be brought up over the grafted tissue
to allow it to heal?
Alloderm vs. my own tissue?
Should I have a free gingival graft procedure done on top of the
existing tissue and then later moving it up and covering more of the
roots? Possible complications of this?
How often do patients have this procedure done on 8 teeth?
Possible causes of this? I had braces from 96'-99' but my gums were
fine after they were removed... other causes? Will it happen again
after the surgery?
What can be done to help get ATTACHMENT of the tissue to the root
surface, (I have heard of "biological material" used as part of the
surgery) since I would like this to be a long lasting change that will
function normally.
Do I need to ask about bone grafting/splinting? What is this?
I really appreciate any information you can give me as to how
complicated of a procedure I need, what I should ask, etc. What I
thought was a simple surgery now has become a whole research project
for me, is it safe to say I have at least 3 problems to fix? 1) Gum
recession, 2) no tough, thicker, non-movable gingival tissue, 3) soft
mucosal tissue has quickly receeded and possible thinning bones?
Hope the picture helps, and again thank you very much in advance.
Michael
Steven Bornfeld - 22 Oct 2006 16:58 GMT
> Hello to all who read this,
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> Michael
I am answering as a general dentist, not a periodontist. Is that the
way your teeth normally come together in the front, or are you sticking
your lower jaw out for visibility?
I am going to take for granted that the periodontists' pocket readings
are accurate. The concern here is that the gums will rapidly recede
without the protection of keratinized tissue. From your high-quality
photo (thanks!) I can confirm that you have little or no attached
gingiva in this area. However, you only have minor gingival recession
visible, particularly over the two lateral incisors (#23 and 25).
The problem with subepithelial grafts is that (if I remember my
histology correctly) the tissue overlying the bone (the periosteum)
determines the level of keratinization of the overlying mucosa. You
have a large area there with NO attached tissue. I don't see how this
can be corrected without grafting of some kind. I don't know how
commonly Alloderm is used--(I'm not aware that my periodontists use it)
but it is likely the alternative is a free gingival graft. I understand
a periodontist's concern about having to harvest that amount of tissue
from your palate to cover such a wide area--hence the appeal of an
exogenous graft material. I have no idea what problems periodontist #3
has seen long-term.
I did not see your gums right after your orthodontic treatment, so I
can't say for certain that there hasn't been significant recession, only
that the gumline is at a fairly normal level on these teeth. It is in
fact very likely that there is no bone over the facial surface of these
teeth--there is seldom much in any case, and it is possible that your
orthodontic treatment may have compromised this, rather than any
periodontal condition per se. In any case, when evaluating bone we look
at the x-rays, which will show the level of bone in between the teeth;
this no doubt appears normal, but it is difficult at best to assess bone
on the facial surface of these teeth except during surgery.
My take (based on this photo) is that this procedure would be largely
preventive in nature--we don't KNOW that you will suffer severe
recession here. I HAVE seen it in this situation, but I have also NOT
seen it in very similar situations over a period of many years, so don't
feel you have to rush into this. I think if you ARE going to do this,
have any periodontist explain the downside of using grafting materials,
because not having to use tissue from the roof of your mouth is IMO a
big plus, well-worth paying for. You do NOT need bone grafting to cover
the roots (but you may need a membrane to allow proper healing of the
graft and gum.
Good luck,
Steve
MrBCID - 22 Oct 2006 19:55 GMT
Hi Steve,
Thank you very much for your take on this. As for your question I am
deliberately sticking out my lower jaw out for visibility.
Michael
Newbie - 23 Oct 2006 15:51 GMT
>Hi Steve,
>
>Thank you very much for your take on this. As for your question I am
>deliberately sticking out my lower jaw out for visibility.
>
>Michael
Couldn't see your pix, just got gobbledygook...
Generally tend to agree with Bornfeld.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 23 Oct 2006 17:30 GMT
>>Hi Steve,
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> Generally tend to agree with Bornfeld.
I only saw code when I downloaded the file in Firefox, but got the jpg
when I got it in IE. I don't know what security settings are
involved--I just lost my old Netscape browser--it just won't open
anymore (I even uninstalled and reinstalled with the old install files).
Steve

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Newbie - 25 Oct 2006 17:07 GMT
>>>Hi Steve,
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>Steve
OK, IE worked, thanks for the tip.
Looks to me an excellent case for grafting.
Would probably remove that frenum attachment first
and see how it healed, then graft later if needed.
Of course the Perio could do this in one procedure,
which may be indicated, my experience is limited with
grafting.
As long as a palatal stent is made, I think an autogenous graft
is likely more predictable.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 25 Oct 2006 21:07 GMT
>>>>Hi Steve,
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> As long as a palatal stent is made, I think an autogenous graft
> is likely more predictable.
Well, sure it's predicatable, but yowie!--a big graft to harvest.
BTW, just perusing google re: Alloderm, there apparently have been some
concerns, at least Down Under:
http://www.tga.gov.au/media/2006/060622-alloderm.htm
Steve

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