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Problem "Post Crown"

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cascotdev@hotmail.com - 08 Aug 2006 20:50 GMT
I think this is the correct term for what I have, namely an
artificially moulded "crown" with a post that is fitted using cement
into the remaining part of my own root. This "post crown" is on my
front upper tooth.

I had this treatement done about 18 years ago in the United Kingdom.
The crown worked it's way loose several time over the years (maybe a
total of 5 or 6 times).

One such time the crown came loose again after only 2 or 3 months, but
other than that each replacement lasted for 2+ years. The most recent
re-cementing lasted for about 5 years. Anyway that is the basic
background information.

At the beginning of this year the crown had again worked it's way
loose, only now I live in Canada. I went to get it re-cemented, but it
seems that a sliver of the original root came out with the crown (still
stuck solidly to the crown by the 5 year old UK cement). The dentist
used a white resin as opposed to the gritty cement my dentist in the UK
used. I have now had the crown re-cemented a further 3 times (once
after just a week!). Could this dramatic drop in effectiveness be
purely down to the cement being used?

Also my new dentist seems to use a different approach. The previous UK
re-cementings generally were:

- gently work the crown out
- Clean off the crown, removing all cement
- clean up inside the root (generally this was done with a post and
some sort of minty tasting cleaner)
- jet everything with pressured water
- dry everything off completely with pressured air
- apply the cement
- re-attach the crown

My new dentist doesn't seem to bother too much with the cleaning out of
the root, nor ensuring everything is completely dry before applying the
cement.

He is suggesting an implant or a bridge as my only real options. I
still wonder about the effectiveness of the cement being used and/or
the aproach to the re-fitting.

Does anyone have any views?
mirhe - 08 Aug 2006 21:16 GMT
> He is suggesting an implant or a bridge as my only real options. I
> still wonder about the effectiveness of the cement being used and/or
> the aproach to the re-fitting.
>
> Does anyone have any views?

inlay and new crown
C.J. Thomas - 08 Aug 2006 22:19 GMT
When you old dentist re-cleaned the root, did he put on a rubber dam and
rinse it out with sodium hypochlorite.  The minty stuff probably did nothing
for you or the bacteria that were allowed into the post-space.  If a part of
your root came out with the crown, that may be a sign of a fracture.  The
tooth sounds like it is nearing the end, so I would listen to your dentist's
advice about an implant or bridge.

>I think this is the correct term for what I have, namely an
> artificially moulded "crown" with a post that is fitted using cement
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>
> Does anyone have any views?
George - 08 Aug 2006 23:08 GMT
Loss of tooth structure will compromise the retention of the
post-crown. You can always get a 2nd opinion whether the tooth has any
realistic chance to be saved or not.
A rubber dam would not be absolutely necessary for recementing a
maxillary anterior.

Regards,
George
cascotdev@hotmail.com - 08 Aug 2006 23:37 GMT
Does anyone know anything of the different types of cement? Are there
various types that can be used for fixing a post into place? As I said
in my original post the older stuff seemed more gritty compared to the
white liquid now being used.
cascotdev@hotmail.com - 08 Aug 2006 23:29 GMT
> When you old dentist re-cleaned the root, did he put on a rubber dam and
> rinse it out with sodium hypochlorite.  The minty stuff probably did nothing
> for you or the bacteria that were allowed into the post-space.  If a part of
> your root came out with the crown, that may be a sign of a fracture.  The
> tooth sounds like it is nearing the end, so I would listen to your dentist's
> advice about an implant or bridge.

No, he did not use any form of dam. I know the minty substance would do
little to  kill of any bacteria, but it was just a step I noticed was
missing in my more recent visits. Actually gross as it may sound, he
actually would stick the post up into the root and then clean it and
repeat until he could no longer smell any trace of that unmistakable
smell of rotten whatever that you get up there - root, food, plaque,
etc

The thing about the implant is that in Canada I found a site quoting
$5000 for a single tooth implant.
Joel344 - 09 Aug 2006 04:16 GMT
What do you mean mouldy crown?

(¯`'•.¸ (¯`'•.¸ Joely¸.•'´¯)¸.•'´¯

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Joel34
cascotdev@hotmail.com - 09 Aug 2006 05:04 GMT
> What do you mean mouldy crown?

I didn't call it that, but it does seem like there is an accumulation
of sorts in the space where the post is fitted (up into the root), so
when the crown begins to loosen up you can get a bad taste in your
mouth and a smell if you rub your finger around the area of the crown.
When the post is removed generally there is also a smell. As I say I'm
no dentist, so I don't know precisely what causes this, whether it is a
build up of bacteria in the root, or food residue (I doubt it), or
something else.
Joel344 - 09 Aug 2006 12:09 GMT
It should stick in there better ..... you need a better crown or
better dentist ... something

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Joel34
cascotdev@hotmail.com - 09 Aug 2006 19:18 GMT
Well the post is once again loose. I have an appointment tomorrow
(Thursday 10th Aug). Is there anything I could enquire about with the
dentist in terms of trying something different? Obviously has to be
approached carefully so as not to stamp on any toes, but do they have
options of different cements for example? Just to do something that
isn't the same as the previous failed attempts (failed as in remained
intact for less than 2 months).
C.J. Thomas - 10 Aug 2006 13:42 GMT
The dentist probably uses either temp-bond or a glass ionomer type
cement...but as I said, this tooth sounds like it is TOAST!  Time to do
something more definitive.

> Well the post is once again loose. I have an appointment tomorrow
> (Thursday 10th Aug). Is there anything I could enquire about with the
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> isn't the same as the previous failed attempts (failed as in remained
> intact for less than 2 months).
Joel344 - 10 Aug 2006 15:38 GMT
New post, recement old crown on new post
using a reverse-post-core (intaglio) technique.

Cement with C&B Metabond and it will stay!

Joel

YOU WROTE:

Re: Problem "Post Crown"

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Loss of tooth structure will compromise
the retention of the post-crown. You can
always get a 2nd opinion whether the tooth has any
realistic chance to be saved or not.

A rubber dam would not be absolutely
necessary for recementing a
maxillary anterior.

Regards,
George

REPLY

I do not get it. How would the dentist
cement if he were wearing a rubber dam?

Do you cut armholes or something

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Joel34
 
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