 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / August 2006tooth infections as cause of 'allergic' reactions?
Has anyone else come across this? Xrays and ultrasound scan is showing up large (painless) infections from 2 wisdom tooth extractions I had done 15 years ago. For about 10 years I have had quite serious food/chem/drug reactions, been tested half to death and apparently there's nothing wrong with me - def. no allergies, but other tests do show my detox system is screwed up and TH1,TH2 blood cells are extremely reactive ( no one knows why). An holistic dentists suggests these infections are at the bottom of my problems as they are overwhelming my detoxing system, so can't detox ordinary foods etc., and so stuff backs up, causing reactions. The cure however involves having 5 teeth out , (only way to cut out the infection) which is quite an undertaking, so I'm wondering if anyone else has any info / knowledge about this possibly working for them. Many thanks! > Has anyone else come across this? Xrays and ultrasound scan is > showing up large (painless) infections from 2 wisdom tooth extractions [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Many thanks! I can't speak to your "detox" system. But if the large "infections" are from the wisdom tooth extractions, what is taking 5 other teeth out supposed to do? Has the large area grown to involve the 5 other teeth? If there is a large lucent area where your wisdom teeth were, these must be evaluated. Could be a cyst or a tumor. Go to an oral/maxillofacial surgeon to evaluate this! Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > Has anyone else come across this? Xrays and ultrasound scan is > showing up large (painless) infections from 2 wisdom tooth extractions [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Many thanks! Can I make an assumption here? I wanna bet that the "large painless infections" suggested by the holistic dentist are what they call NICO or "cavitations", which are not recognised by serious dentistry. I also want to bet that the "ultrasound scan" you had was done with the cavitat machine, which has been thoroughly debunked and doesn't have a shred of evidence to support its use. Am I right? My friend I think you're either being scammed here or you're a guinea pig for some "holistic" dentist's crazy ideas. I hope I'm proven wrong, but if you go ahead and remove those 5 teeth you will accomplish nothing more than having 5 teeth missing (and they don't grow back!). I suggest visiting a respectable oral surgeon, possibly at a dental school, for a second and a third opinion before doing anything so radical. Avoid holistic dentists - most of them are snake oil salesmen and quacks of the worst kind. I am sorry that you're suffering from these complicated health problems, but I'm sure the answer is not as simple as "take out 5 teeth"! The human body is a terribly complex machine and we still don't know exactlyt how it works. Teeth are but a very small part of the larger picture! Good luck, George >>Has anyone else come across this? Xrays and ultrasound scan is >>showing up large (painless) infections from 2 wisdom tooth extractions [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Good luck, > George Of course, you may be totally right about this. I'd (perhaps foolishly) assumed that these were radiographically demonstrable radiolucent lesions. In any case, absent further information I think having an OMFS look at this patient (if not already done) would be a good idea. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >> But if the large "infections" are from the wisdom tooth extractions, what is taking 5 other teeth out supposed to do? Has the large area grown to involve the 5 other teeth? << yes, these are adjacent teeth, 3 on one side, 2 on the other. >> I wanna bet that the "large painless infections" suggested by the holistic dentist are what they call NICO or "cavitations", which are not recognised by serious dentistry.<< yes you're right - this is what the holistic dentist said, also the guy who did the scan. But these guys see the fact that these infections aren't recognised as a BAD thing. They say the BDS (British Dental Assoc.) won't do the research on the effects of these. As one of them said, if there were infections like this in any other area of the body they would be taken seriously. Apparently they can eat right into the jawbone (which sounds to me like they ought to be taken seriously) without causing pain. >>I also want to bet that the "ultrasound scan" you had was done with the cavitat machine, which has been thoroughly debunked and doesn't have a shred of evidence to support its use. Am I right? << I expect you're right about the machine - it was a sort of probe in your mouth and something else (bigger) that followed it around on your face - both hand held & rather awkward really. I don't know about evidence, I'll need to do some googling. >>My friend I think you're either being scammed here or you're a guinea pig for some "holistic" dentist's crazy ideas.<< But I'm trying to keep an open mind. Who would have thought a while back that bacteria from tooth infections caused heart probs (so I was told - a friend's dentist actually died from heart probs originating from tooth infection!) And that certain bacteria (tho not to do with teeth.. well as far as I know) were responsible for stomach ulcers 15 years ago?. It usually takes a few mavericks convinced of these things to prove it to the rest of the world. For some reason (maybe vested interests but who knows) the medical status quo can be extremely close-minded. But of course I don't want to be a guinea pig either, so am finding out as much as I can, and I won't have all 5 teeth out at once even if I do go ahead, taking out the few on one side should have an effect on the systemic problem, IF that is the cause. And I can replace one or two of those with ceramic implants in time. >>I suggest visiting a respectable oral surgeon, possibly at a dental school, for a second and a third opinion before doing anything so radical.<< Yes I think I'm convinced about that, although I do find specialists are either mainstream or alt. and not much to be found in the middle >>I am sorry that you're suffering from these complicated health problems, but I'm sure the answer is not as simple as "take out 5 teeth"!<< actually he wanted all the mercury fillings out too! A MELISA test showed I was reacting to mercury and other metals in them. >>Of course, you may be totally right about this. I'd (perhaps foolishly) assumed that these were radiographically demonstrable radiolucent lesions.<< One X-ray and one Ultrasound scan, but (so far ) only looked at by the holistic dentist and the guy who did the scan thanks for your comments, I think I'll go for a 2nd opinion, its just finding the right individual with a wide enough knowledge and an open mind to give me an intelligent overview. If anyone has any useful links too, please post them! Ta, Bryher Out with mercury fillings and teeth... The British Dental Association won't do the research but we're certain we're right... These are classic symptoms of holistic dentists scamming patients to have radical, often amputating treatment they don't need. Where in the UK do you live? Check if there is a dental hospital in your area. If there isn't, most major hospitals have an OMFS department where you can see a oral surgery consultant. Explain the situation to your GP and ask him to refer you. Regards, George > Of course, you may be totally right about this. I'd (perhaps > foolishly) assumed that these were radiographically demonstrable > radiolucent lesions. > In any case, absent further information I think having an OMFS look at > this patient (if not already done) would be a good idea. Hi Steve, I think it matches the NICO profile very well. A holistic dentist that uses a bogus "ultrasound scan" to diagnose "cavitations" in sites were teeth had been extracted years ago. A 2nd opinion should be undertaken in any case. Regards, George >>Where in the UK do you live? Check if there is a dental hospital in your area. If there isn't, most major hospitals have an OMFS department where you can see a oral surgery consultant. Explain the situation to your GP and ask him to refer you. << Near enough to London, so there will be dental teaching hospitals around. Maybe I'll start there. I don't find GPs very helpful for the kind of probs I've been having, it's waaay off their map, but anyway I might not need one for this. This was interesting: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_03/b3967077.htm But the comments posted at the bottom by those who had had this carried out were nearly all favourable! > >>Where in the UK do you live? Check if there is a dental hospital in > your area. If there isn't, most major hospitals have an OMFS department [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > But the comments posted at the bottom by those who had had this carried > out were nearly all favourable! If you are near London, you can try Eastman, Guy's or the Royal London, they're all very respectable. 4-5 people saying they had a favourable outcome is hardly a surprise; the power of suggestion is such that a person might believe he's getting better even if you feed him plain sugar pills (the placebo effect). If you search on the net for NICO you will find several cases of people who have sued their holistic dentists after being misled to have teeth extracted without any benefit to their general health. Regards, George OK thanks for your interest George. If I do have some of this done I'll be back with the results! :) >> Of course, you may be totally right about this. I'd (perhaps >>foolishly) assumed that these were radiographically demonstrable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Regards, > George Seems you were spot on, old chap! Steve > Seems you were spot on, old chap! > > Steve Huh, after being subjected to holistic dentistry crap on this forum for almost 3 years, I can smell it from a mile away! Regards, George >> Seems you were spot on, old chap! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Regards, > George My sense of smell was shot after organic chem. Steve Bryher, > Has anyone else come across this? Xrays and ultrasound scan is > showing up large (painless) infections from 2 wisdom tooth extractions [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > an undertaking, so I'm wondering if anyone else has any info / > knowledge about this possibly working for them. Another possibility: Check your daytime body temperature. Healthy people sleep at 97.4F and pop up to 98.6F during the day. However, some people get stuck at 97.something 24/7. This typically causes autoimmune problems as you describe. This can happen anytime during your life, often as a result of influenza, general anesthesia, antidepressant medication, thyroid medication, etc., etc. Hence, older people are much more likely to have this problem. This could simply be coincidental with your wisdom tooth problems. Of course, if these infections are real and you do NOT have the problem I am describing, then your temperature is much more likely to be high than low. Steve Richfie1d Hi Steve, I've not heard of this one , and will do a temp check, I guess every few hours during one day should be sufficient. But what do you do about "autoimmune" probs? Oh no, more googling, but I have a feeling there may not be much that can be done about that. Bryher, > I've not heard of this one, The popular name for it is "Wilson's Syndrome", though technology has gone a long way since Dr. Wilson named it after himself. I used to have this and cured it in 2001, and now run Yahoo's WS-Forum that deals in low daytime body temperature. > and will do a temp check, I guess every > few hours during one day should be sufficient. Yes. There is a Washington DC doctor <http://www.DrRind.com> who is big into temperature charting, providing on-line charts and suggestions for "reading" them. WARNING, Dr. Rind thinks that everything is either thyroid or adrenal problems (when in reality only about half of all cases include these), so if you get a "mixed" result it simply means that your problem is something ELSE like central hypothermia. > But what do you do > about "autoimmune" probs? Your immune system acts through free-ranging white blood cells. Rarely are the cells themselves defective - it is usually some sort of environmental factor, like body temperature (most common), blood sugar (also common), vitamin deficiencies (also common), glandular malfunctions (also common) etc. The thing about body temperature that most doctors haven't realized is that your immune system, being the most complex chemistry in your body, doesn't all work at ANY single temperature - it requires the daily cycling between 97.4F and 98.6F to make all of the reactions work right. >Oh no, more googling, but I have a feeling > there may not be much that can be done about that. Many body temperature problems can be corrected in ONE DAY. About half can be corrected without drugs by forcing your temperature up to 98.6F for ~16 consecutive hours. Others require a variety of approaches depending on just what is wrong. For more, read <http://www.smart-life.net/Steve> Steve Richfie1d Many people are allergic to alamglams. It causes pain and the inabilit to line dance. Do you have this -- Joel34 |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2009 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.