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lynrennick2000@aol.com - 22 Jul 2006 11:04 GMT
Hi,

I've not been active on this newsgroup for a while...too much in my
life at the moment...however I need to find out something and wondered
if any of the dentists on this group can help me please. Joel? Are you
out there still?

I belong to another dental list and it has come to our attention that
amalgam fillings in the UK turn black very quickly and lose their
silver colour. This has nothing to do with them being old..or
rotting...even new ones turn black. People in the USA state that this
doesn't seem to happen with their amalgams...new ones are silver in
colour and seem to stay that way. It would seem that the materials used
in UK amalgams differ from USA amalgams...but how?  Can one of you
(Joel?) tell us the exact materials and amounts of each one which make
up an amalgam filling in the USA please? Also, if there are any UK
dentists on this newsgroup can you help with the make-up of UK fillings
please?

I'd really appreciate your help.

Love & Light to all.

Lyn Rennick
(London, UK)
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 22 Jul 2006 14:10 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Lyn Rennick
> (London, UK)

    I'm stumped by this.  I would assume that what tarnishes in the amalgam
is mainly the silver, but I can't imagine the proportion of silver is
that different.  I've occasionally seen very black amalgams, and assumed
there was either a bad mix of amalgam (poorly triturated) or perhaps the
patient likes eggs--we'd expect sulfurous compounds to accelerate
tarnishing of silver sulfates, which tend to be black.  Other than that,
I can't imagine the composition is that different.
    Addition of copper to amalgam mixes is relatively new (maybe 40 years)
and is intended to improve edge strength.  Also, most of the alloys
available in the states are zinc-free these days.  You might ask your
dentist if this is true in the UK (alloys with copper are usually
referred to as "dispersed phase").  However, I honestly don't see how
these changes would greatly affect blackening of amalgam.
    George, can you help me out here?

Steve

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jd023456 - 22 Jul 2006 18:08 GMT
It could be the Mercury. I would get those fillings removed and
replaced with composite. Mercury is one of the most toxic substances
known to man. Why would you allow someone to put poison in your mouth?
Unless one were brainwashed by the ADA or dentists.
jd.

> > Hi,
> >
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Steve Richfie1d - 27 Jul 2006 21:25 GMT
JD,

>  It could be the Mercury. I would get those fillings removed and
> replaced with composite. Mercury is one of the most toxic substances
> known to man. Why would you allow someone to put poison in your mouth?
> Unless one were brainwashed by the ADA or dentists.

While I fully agree with your opinion about mercury, there ARE some
situations where mercury works but other materials fail. Probably the
most common is with cracked teeth, where the poisonous mercury
continuously stops decay in the crack by gradually releasing
brain-destroying mercury for decades, but replacing them with composite
fillings simply causes the tooth to quickly rot out at the crack that is
beneath the composite once the mercury is gone. Of course, those cracks
probably came from corroding amalgams in the first place, but once the
teeth are cracked, you must either work with the cracks, pull the teeth,
or get used to abscesses.

A bunch of my lower teeth are cracked, which makes root canals pretty
much impossible without abscessing, and makes replacing amalgam fillings
with composite fillings rather ill advised. Often a crown will hold
things together, but you don't get to use pins to help hold them on
because a root canal will fail. Clearly, better technology is needed to
deal with cracked teeth, like maybe a gold band around the tooth to hold
it together or some such thing.

Hopefully, there is someone here with some of that better technology.

Steve Richfie1d
Tony Bad - 28 Jul 2006 19:49 GMT
> A bunch of my lower teeth are cracked, which makes root canals pretty
> much impossible without abscessing

You seem very poorly informed.

T
Jan - 28 Jul 2006 21:38 GMT
> > A bunch of my lower teeth are cracked, which makes root canals pretty
> > much impossible without abscessing
>
> You seem very poorly informed.
>
> T

And?

You seem to not inform correctly.
Please do so.
George - 22 Jul 2006 18:15 GMT
>     I'm stumped by this.  I would assume that what tarnishes in the amalgam
> is mainly the silver, but I can't imagine the proportion of silver is
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> available in the states are zinc-free these days.  You might ask your
> dentist if this is true in the UK (alloys with copper are usually

Well, eggs are part of the traditional English breakfast! I know that
many NHS practices use the ancient-style triturators which mix alloy
powder and liquid mercury instead of capsules, and NOBODY brings back
patients to polish amalgams on the Nash...

Regards,
George
Ann - 22 Jul 2006 18:33 GMT
>Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>I'd really appreciate your help.

I've got one I can see in the mirror and it is definitely not black.
So it's not true of all the UK.

Ann
Mark Thurston - 23 Jul 2006 00:07 GMT
Sorry for my naivity on this I am only a dental nurse, but I work in an NHS
practice and do the ordering.

In our practice we do in fact use capsulated amalgam which we have a capsule
amalgamator to tritilate. We're part of a big group and our corporate
brochure lists 3 types of capsulated amalgam which we may use - all Henry
Schein - Ionosphere, Stratusphere and Troposphere.

I dont know why it is but many dentists I have worked with seem to prefer
Stratosphere which is dispersed phase but I think has the lowest copper
level of all 3 compounds. My dentist has recently switched to Ionosphere
which I understand has a significantly higher copper level and does appear
lighter in colour when first use to my untrained eye :)

We have a private dentist too which uses a make-your-own-capule kit all
ANNA-100 or something like this. I understand it's much "better" But I dont
know the ins and outs of it's constituancy over the pre capsulated types
which NHS allows us.

Mark.

> >Hi,
> >
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>
> Ann
Bill - 28 Jul 2006 22:21 GMT
> Sorry for my naivity on this I am only a dental nurse, but I work in an NHS
> practice and do the ordering.
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>
> Mark.

Back in the days before the patients all expected their fillings to be
white, I used the standard amalgam for posterior fillings. I had used
both the Schein Stratosphere and the Ionosphere, and they worked just
fine, without abnormal tarnish. In other words, they still looked
silver and shiny a year or two later.

I don't know how "make-your-own" capsules could be any better than
capsules carefully manufactured by established firms with experience in
the field.

Every dentist has seen both shiny silver and dark amalgam in patients'
old fillings, sometimes in the same mouth.

- dentaldoc
Jan - 23 Jul 2006 20:55 GMT
> >Hi,
> >
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>
> Ann

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/amalgam.html
Ann - 23 Jul 2006 21:06 GMT
>> >Hi,
>> >
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>
>http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/amalgam.html

Your point is?

Ann
Jan - 24 Jul 2006 17:48 GMT
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
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>
> Ann

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/amalgam.html
Joel344 - 23 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
Actually I am here, but I am pretty busy during
mosts days .... we have a busy dental shop and
YES we have no mercury or amalgams ...... we
are against the amalgominium hydrochloride fumes .......

it smells up the operatories..

Joe

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Joel344 - 23 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
Dark fillings is caused by using too much mercury
in the mix. It still sets but is less "noble" than the proper mixture.

Could it be NHS dentists saving sough?

Joe

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Peter Bowditch - 24 Jul 2006 02:11 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>Lyn Rennick
>(London, UK)

I would have thought that someone with a web site headed "Amalgam
Mercury Poisoning" would already have all the answers. Especially
someone with a web site which features that long-discredited lying
"Smoking Tooth" video.

Or do you just oppose amalgam without bothering to ascertain the facts
first? Don't bother answering, I already know the answer.
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Joel344 - 24 Jul 2006 12:17 GMT
Funny website you guys ......

White Blood cell Killed by Mercur

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Joel34
Joel344 - 30 Jul 2006 21:09 GMT
Amlagam is bad (amalgam too), it poisons people, so I hear

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