I had a four quadrant scaling and root planing performed by a general
dentist. Nine months and two weeks later, I was referred to a periodontist
by a different general dentist. I showed the periodontist documentation
showing my previous SRP. The periodontist recommended having the SRP again
in all four quadrants. He performed the SRP on my upper quadrants. This took
him five minutes. (I looked at my watch before and after the procedure.) On
another visit, his hygienist performed the SRP on my lower quadrants. This
took approximately five to seven minutes. In other words, the SRP took
approximately 10 to 12 minutes for all four quadrants.
The insurance company denied the SRP claim, stating that it only pays for
necessary work, in terms of generally accepted dental standards. My
insurance plan has no documented limitation for SRP procedures per year, so
the denial came as a surprise to the periodontist's billing staff member.
The insurance company will re-review the case based upon further
documentation from the periodontist and my prior charts. The bill for the
SRP is approximately $600. I would greatly appreciate insight from the
dentists here.
1. Are two SRP procedures ever clinically indicated within a one-year
period?
2. Can a four quadrant SRP be performed in 10 to 12 minutes with clinically
acceptable results?
Thank you very much for your input.
Steven Bornfeld - 21 Jul 2006 03:47 GMT
> I had a four quadrant scaling and root planing performed by a general
> dentist. Nine months and two weeks later, I was referred to a periodontist
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> 1. Are two SRP procedures ever clinically indicated within a one-year
> period?
Certainly possible. But the need for root planing less than a year
later suggests inadequate healing (that is, residual periodontal
pockets), inadequate oral hygiene, or both.
It certainly wouldn't be unusual for an insurance company to deny
repeat SRP due to frequency limitations. However, if this is not the
case, my guess is that they may have pended the claim for x-rays,
periodontal charting, or both. If your dentist has supplied x-rays and
charting that don't show significant evidence of periodontal disease,
the insurance company certainly may choose to deny the claim based on
lack of clinical need.
> 2. Can a four quadrant SRP be performed in 10 to 12 minutes with clinically
> acceptable results?
Not by me, it can't.
Steve
> Thank you very much for your input.
Tony Bad - 24 Jul 2006 16:59 GMT
> > 2. Can a four quadrant SRP be performed in 10 to 12 minutes with clinically
> > acceptable results?
>
> Not by me, it can't.
>
> Steve
Steve is always a gentleman...I'll go out on a limb and say not by anyone.
If they took 12 minutes to do 4 quads of scaling and root planing, they
didn't really do 4 quads of scaling and root planing. Most offices will take
anywhere from 20 minutes to 40 minutes per quad.
T
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 24 Jul 2006 19:10 GMT
> Steve is always a gentleman...I'll go out on a limb and say not by anyone.
> If they took 12 minutes to do 4 quads of scaling and root planing, they
> didn't really do 4 quads of scaling and root planing. Most offices will take
> anywhere from 20 minutes to 40 minutes per quad.
>
> T
The mail is in the check.
Steve

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Bill - 21 Jul 2006 19:29 GMT
> I had a four quadrant scaling and root planing performed by a general
> dentist. Nine months and two weeks later, I was referred to a periodontist
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> 1. Are two SRP procedures ever clinically indicated within a one-year
> period?
Possibly yes, if the problem has not improved after the first
treatment. Most periodontists cite research that indicates the original
SRP needs to be followed with visits every three months for light
scaling and cleaning. Without the three-month recall visits, there is a
tendency for the results of the original SRP to be less than optimal.
If you have not kept up with the three-month visits for followup
scaling, it would not be a surprise to find that conditions have
reverted to their original state.
Also, the thoroughness of daily oral hygiene procedures (brushing,
flossing, use of interdental cleaners like perio brushes, etc.) will
have a very large influence on whether the healing is adequate.
> 2. Can a four quadrant SRP be performed in 10 to 12 minutes with clinically
> acceptable results?
You've got to be kidding. Most periodontists spend more than that
amount of time just to do the 3-month recall scalings, on all four
quadrants, at a fraction of that cost.
> Thank you very much for your input.
You're welcome.
- dentaldoc
Joel344 - 23 Jul 2006 20:21 GMT
You are suffering from shysteritis that is overtaking the denta
industry.
C'Mon guys ..... be honest with the dude
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Joel34