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Fla. Police End Dirty 'Grills' Dentistry

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tom g - 23 Jun 2006 03:26 GMT
Fla. Police End Dirty 'Grills' Dentistry

PALM SPRINGS, Fla. (AP) -- Call it the bling sting. Detectives had
been watching the Blue Diamond Jewelry shop for a month after getting
reports that its workers were fitting customers with gold teeth caps
using filthy equipment.

Some clients had no problems with their shiny new ''grills.'' Others
were not so fortunate and suffered severe infections.

The amateur, unlicensed dentists cast the grills using filthy tools
stored in a cluttered back room amid trash and debris and even
adjusted customers' teeth plates with dirty pliers before reinserting
them, unwashed, into clients' mouths, authorities said.

Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office detectives put an end to the dirty
dentistry and shut down the business Wednesday in an undercover sting.

Sarah V. Encarnacion, 39, was arrested just as she was about to place
caps inside the mouth of an undercover sheriff's investigator.

Encarnacion is charged with unlawful practice of dentistry,
proprietorship of non-dentist, and working in an unlawful dental
laboratory.

''It's just disgusting,'' said Detective Lori Gunn, who learned of the
infected customers about a month ago from the Florida Department of
Health. ''It's completely unsanitary.''

No telephone number was listed under Encarnacion's name.
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 24 Jun 2006 06:41 GMT
How do they know these infections are not from the customers own non
maintained periodontally involved teeth vs the tooth jewelery??? These
Sheriffs are not dentists, what gives them the right to diagnose that
this jewelry is causing the infections???
Unless this person drilled on the teeth or cemented these things in
permanently or took tooth impressions of the clients, how does one make
a distinction between this and a manufacturer of say BillyBob Halloween
teeth.
A Jewelery lab has some simillar equipment as a dental lab but that
does not make it an illegal dental lab.
I've seen Jewelery Labs and Dental Labs and they both have the same
amount crap and filthy equipment lying around. The only difference is
in a dental lab stuff is disinfected before it goes to the dentist.
Some of the materials such as alginate impressions can not be
disinfected for very long before being poured or handled due to
distortion so as far as lab instruments there is cross contamination
even to the technician that has to handle all this stuff with his/her
hands. Then again in the early 80's and earlier denists were working in
patients mouth with saliva and blood without gloves and were moving
from patient to patient with quick hand washes.

This sounds like a Witch hunt to me. These Sheriffs know nothing about
dentistry or dental labs and have potentially imprisoned somebody that
could have been simply told to discontinue or modify their business
activity. It does not sound like this person was hiding from anyone by
having a registered business. I do not even think regular dentists in
this country would even make this type of jewerly since it is purely
culturally cosmetic.
I know for example in California it is illegal for dentists to do
tongue piercings since it is not treating a dental disease even though
they are the most qualified to do this type of thing vs a tattoo
parlor.

> Fla. Police End Dirty 'Grills' Dentistry
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> No telephone number was listed under Encarnacion's name.
Chocolic - 24 Jun 2006 06:53 GMT
> How do they know these infections are not from the customers own non
> maintained periodontally involved teeth vs the tooth jewelery???
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>> No telephone number was listed under Encarnacion's name.

First of all, why is this posted in alt.true-crime.  Second of all, it
wasn't the Sheriffs' making the accusations.  They were following up
on accusations and complaints by others including the Florida
Department of Health.  They planted undercover detectives to *confirm
the accusations* are fact.  As they do with any suspected crime.  For
a dentist you aren't very smart.

Chocolic
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 24 Jun 2006 20:16 GMT
Just look at the charges and the circumstances.
If there where complaints why didn't the Fl health department first pay
a visit to this Jewery Lab. Why the undercover operation on a business
that was not hiding anything.
Normally people who are trying to practice dentistry without a licence
do this in their own apartments and do not advertise.
I do not understand why you are so defensive of the sheriff's
department. These false arrests go on every day. A lot of innocent
people end up in jail (I'd say about 30% after speaking to someone who
was inocent and placed there who talked to the various inmates there.
Ofcourse after 3 days to speak to the judge all the judge could do is
appologize despite the fact this person spend thousand of dollars on a
lawyer and bail and almost died there.), are beaten there by inmates
and the guards over something that could have been settled by somebody
with common sense. The fact is our inforcement agencies are not trained
to think with common sense and inocent people are being put away and
held with criminals and gang members which could be avoided in most
circumstances.
Imagine a sting operation on a restaurant by sending an undercover
sheriff, for complaints of a lower Grade for not being very clean,
rats, selling alcohol without licence etc... These occur much more
often an yet you never hear of such sting operations where the owners
end up in jail.
The way this first post is posted this sounds like a witch hunt.
Otherwise why even post such stupid article which is one sided to say
the least.

> > How do they know these infections are not from the customers own non
> > maintained periodontally involved teeth vs the tooth jewelery???
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> Chocolic
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 24 Jun 2006 20:33 GMT
Maybe the sheriff did not make the accusations but they certainly made
the arrest and compiled the charges without knowing all the facts and
similarities between a typical dental lab and a jewerly lab, etc... Do
you think a customer would allow somebody to take a dirty "Grill" or
jewerly that was say dipped in crap and have it placed in their mouth,
or is it more than likely that what is described in the above post as
dirty pliers, somebody's perception.
If you or the person who did the original post do not like my replies,
then why post stupid things an make the general public feel like there
was some unlicenced dentistry going on and the sheriff department are
the heros, when in fact this case has not even been tried and the
person arrested's name is being advertised like this person is a
criminal without even having a full trial. Why not simply say such and
such a person was arrested for suspicion of practicing dentistry
without a licence in a jewery lab? Why all the subjective discriptions
about what was dirty or not? And why all the undercover stuff before
even attempting a regular inspection. This person was not even given a
chance to comply with whatever objections the health department had.
Like I said Witch hunt.

> > How do they know these infections are not from the customers own non
> > maintained periodontally involved teeth vs the tooth jewelery???
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> Chocolic
Vaughn Simon - 25 Jun 2006 02:31 GMT
> Unless this person drilled on the teeth or cemented these things in
> permanently or took tooth impressions of the clients,

    That was exactly it, they were taking impressions and that is very clearly
illegal; at least in Florida it is.  Other than that, like you, I don't see this
as a big deal and I would rather that the sheriff take down a drug dealer than
bother with this.  Any tattoo shop has a bigger chance of causing/spreading an
infection.

    This happened not far from where I live

Vaughn
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 25 Jun 2006 04:01 GMT
It's just that they spent a month watching this place, when I'm pretty
sure one visit to tell them to stop could have been adequate.

> > Unless this person drilled on the teeth or cemented these things in
> > permanently or took tooth impressions of the clients,
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> Vaughn
Joel344 - 26 Jun 2006 01:08 GMT
> The amateur, unlicensed dentists cast the grills using filthy tools
> stored in a cluttered back room amid trash and debris and even
> adjusted customers' teeth plates with dirty pliers before reinserting
> them, unwashed, into clients' mouths, authorities said.

Wow! Sounds like the lab that makes our crowns ......

kidding ....

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Joel34
 
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