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rick - 11 Jun 2006 09:10 GMT
I need a four-unit bridge right side middle, and three unit bridge
upper left middle. The missing teeth don't bother me and the gaps can't
be seen when I smile so I'd just as soon not get the bridgework which I
can get pretty cheap at the local dental school.

I read in this newsgroup that bridges are hard to keep clean and often
cause bad breath.

Is this true and if it is, what should I do?

ric
Steven Bornfeld - 11 Jun 2006 17:28 GMT
> I need a four-unit bridge right side middle, and three unit bridge
> upper left middle. The missing teeth don't bother me and the gaps can't
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> ric

    I'm assuming that you're considering fixed bridges in lieu of
implant-retained teeth.  If you are talking about removable appliances
the story is different.
    Traditional fixed bridges are more difficult to clean mainly because
you cannot floss in the traditional way (that is, moving the floss
between the teeth from the biting/chewing surface).  However, it is
possible to clean effectively under bridges using floss threaders and/
or interproximal brushes.  I consider this a factor, but not a major
factor for most patients in selecting the ideal restoration.

Steve
rick - 12 Jun 2006 01:36 GMT
> > I need a four-unit bridge right side middle, and three unit bridge
> > upper left middle. The missing teeth don't bother me and the gaps can't
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> Steve

Ok, so if you were in my shoes, you'd get them?

ric
Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2006 01:42 GMT
>>>I need a four-unit bridge right side middle, and three unit bridge
>>>upper left middle. The missing teeth don't bother me and the gaps can't
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>
> ric

    I have general ideas which must be modulated by individual factors
(general health, anatomy, finances) that for single tooth replacements
where the adjacent teeth are intact or have minimal fillings I will lean
toward implant-borne replacements.  Where adjacent teeth are beaten up
with large old restorations but periodontally healthy, I'll usually lean
toward fixed bridgework.  Implants will be easier to clean.  OTOH, my
experience is that someone with lousy oral hygiene will continue to have
lousy oral hygiene regardless of the type of restoration.  Someone with
a will to clean under a bridge will.  Those who won't probably don't
floss regularly anyway.
    There are cosmetic and other factors which can affect my opinion.  Note
that for patients with decent dental insurance in 2006, fixed bridges on
average will be less expensive.

Steve
rick - 12 Jun 2006 10:08 GMT
> >>>I need a four-unit bridge right side middle, and three unit bridge
> >>>upper left middle. The missing teeth don't bother me and the gaps can't
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> Steve

Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
all because of cosmetic reasons. I hardly notice the missing teeth when
I'm eating and don't understand how missing teeth promote desease and
decay.

In fact, I once heard of a dentist who after deciding he wanted to live
the rest of his live on a remote island, extracted all of his teeth so
they wouldn't be a problem.

ricland
Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2006 13:31 GMT
> Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
> and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
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> ricland

    The problem with clinical outlooks and the textbooks is that not all
the teeth read the textbook, so they often don't behave the way we're
taught they're supposed to behave.
    Mostly when dentists talk about failure to replace missing teeth
causing problems they are talking about drifting and moving of the
remaining teeth.  This does happen, but not uniformly.  If my patients
truly prefer to defer replacing teeth, I am happy to monitor for
problems over a period of time.  Sometimes it is a good idea to make
models of the teeth for ease in assessing if and how much movement has
occured.
    No one should be forced into treatment they don't want; and so long as
the patient is fully informed of what may happen and is followed
regularly I see no problem; you always have the option of changing your
mind down the road, so long as not too much movement has occured.

Steve
rick - 12 Jun 2006 14:47 GMT
> > Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
> > and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
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>
> Steve

Thanks, Steve.

It's the special needs of cleaning bridges that causes my concern. If
they're a hassel, I'd rather not be bothered.

ric
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2006 14:55 GMT
>>>Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
>>>and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
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>
> ric

    My suggestion is that you go to a pharmacy and buy an interproximal
brush such as a "Proxabrush".  Get the smallest (thinnest) size.
    I assume you floss daily right now.  Try to use a proxabrush around
your mouth.  Never force the brush if it doesn't fit.  If you don't have
trouble with the proxabrush, you shouldn't have problems using it to
clean under the bridge.
    Just make sure to bring the proxabrush to the dentist when the bridge
is being tried in, before cementation, and make sure there is enough
room to pass the brush through the embrasures.  Your dentist should be
happy to check this for you and demonstrate it.  It's just a matter of
adjusting the bridge that you have adequate space.

Good luck,
Steve

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rick - 12 Jun 2006 16:19 GMT
> >>>Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
> >>>and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
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> >>>ricland

Amazing all this free advice!

Now maybe I should give you some. What dental lab do you use? I was a
salesman for an outfit called "Creative Dental" in Bay Ridge.

Ever hear of them?

Eric
> >>    The problem with clinical outlooks and the textbooks is that not all
> >>the teeth read the textbook, so they often don't behave the way we're
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2006 16:34 GMT
> Amazing all this free advice!
>
> Now maybe I should give you some. What dental lab do you use? I was a
> salesman for an outfit called "Creative Dental" in Bay Ridge.
>
> Ever hear of them?

    I think you probably solicited me. ;-)
    I use AIM for most of my work.  Overall I'm very happy.  If that
changes, I'll keep Creative dental in mind.

Thanks!

Steve

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rick - 12 Jun 2006 21:33 GMT
> > Amazing all this free advice!
> >
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> Steve

Ha, ha... no, I'm living in Nashville and haven't worked for Creative
in 20 years.

ric
Sally - 12 Jun 2006 16:16 GMT
I got a fixed bridge 3 years ago. I now have a 8 pocket beside one tooth
and smaller pockets all around the bridge work also even though I floss.
  You cannot fit those little tiny brushes under it and apparently the
flossing I've done underneath the bridge was not good enough. So I spent
a ton of money on the fixed bridge now I have to spend a ton of money
for gum grafts to fix the problems caused by it. I'd never get another
fixed bridge.
If you have missing teeth like you say and really don't miss them, I
wouldn't bother doing anything. You'll be better off in the long run.

> It's the special needs of cleaning bridges that causes my concern. If
> they're a hassel, I'd rather not be bothered.
>
> ric
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2006 16:46 GMT
> I got a fixed bridge 3 years ago. I now have a 8 pocket beside one tooth
> and smaller pockets all around the bridge work also even though I floss.
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> If you have missing teeth like you say and really don't miss them, I
> wouldn't bother doing anything. You'll be better off in the long run.

    I don't doubt you, but just because your bridge was made with
insufficient embrasure space doesn't mean bridges are bad.  It only
means the dentist didn't check the embrasure spaces.
    I assume of course that your teeth were periodontally healthy before
the bridge, and that you brushed and flossed these teeth thoroughly
every day.  If your dentist wasn't regularly checking your periodontal
health beforehand, we cannot necessarily blame the bridge for your
subsequent periodontal breakdown.

Steve

>> It's the special needs of cleaning bridges that causes my concern. If
>> they're a hassel, I'd rather not be bothered.
>> ric

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George - 12 Jun 2006 21:12 GMT
> Thanks, Steve. I just don't relish the idea of getting the bridge-work
> and having problems afterward. In fact, I'm only considering bridges at
> all because of cosmetic reasons. I hardly notice the missing teeth when
> I'm eating and don't understand how missing teeth promote desease and
> decay.

If your masticatory ability hasn't been affected a lot by the missing
teeth then you should be ok from a functional point of view without any
restoration. Moving and drifting teeth can be a problem, but not in all
cases. Generally, if your occlusion is relatively stable (each tooth
contacing two opposing teeth), teeth should not move. The dentists at
the US army did a very large study over drifting teeth after teeth
loss. They found that any tooth movement will occur within 5 years or
not at all (unless conditions change of course).

As for cleaning, you could say bridges are more difficult to clean
because they require you to use more tools than the traditional brush &
floss. IMHO, superfloss is probably the best way to clean under a
bridge. Bridges are more vulnerable than natural teeth and thus require
a higher level of oral hygiene to keep in good condition. Once you get
used to an effective daily routine, you probably won't notice the extra
effort you're putting in.
John Keiser - 12 Jun 2006 21:28 GMT
Just curious, one mention was made of a removable bridge but no discussion
of this option.  Are these no longer made? I assume cleaning is not an issue
which was the concern of the OP with a permanent bridge.

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Steven Bornfeld - 13 Jun 2006 03:29 GMT
> Just curious, one mention was made of a removable bridge but no discussion
> of this option.  Are these no longer made? I assume cleaning is not an issue
> which was the concern of the OP with a permanent bridge.

    Sure they may be an option--sometimes the only option.  But generally,
given the choice most patients will prefer a fixed restoration.
    Cleaning in fact is an issue with removable appliances.  Yes, cleaning
the natural teeth is easier.  But you have to be sure to clean all the
contacting surfaces of the removable appliance.  The classic cast frame
appliance has clips that retain the appliance; I've seen cavities the
same shape as the clasps where they contact the teeth if conditions are
right.

Steve
 
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