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jd023456 - 01 Jun 2006 00:09 GMT
Well some of the teeth are pretty bad; worn off all enamel and one
tooth in particular is causing most of the pain; it has no filling and
broken off part of the tooth. My finances are limited right now.  Would
it be worth it to not pull these bad teeth? 3 of the teeth on xray look
like they are dead; i have had problems trusting dentists because the
one I had   was mean when I was a kid. And would you trust anyone that
puts poision in peoples mouths? My thyroid problems could have been
caused by these fillings! I don't know if the sinus problems are
related to the tooth problems. Congestion and swelling in the sinuses
and pain. I know the pain can be related to teeth because that one
tooth sure hurt like hell a couple of weeks ago! It usually is a dull
generalized pain beneath and to the right and left of my nose. The oral
surgeon want to pull a wisdom tooth on the right and left and the one
next to it on both sides. He also wants to pull the bottom 3 that are
probably dead.  I was thinking of just pulling that bad one for now and
see how it goes instead of having them all out at once.
Jd.
George - 01 Jun 2006 20:54 GMT
> Well some of the teeth are pretty bad; worn off all enamel and one
> tooth in particular is causing most of the pain; it has no filling and
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> see how it goes instead of having them all out at once.
> Jd.

Pssttt... The oral surgeon also has a dental degree. You can't really
trust him, he poisons other people. Better do the job yourself!
jd023456 - 02 Jun 2006 05:13 GMT
 As long as he doesnt put any mercury or other poisions in my mouth I
will be O.K.!!

> > Well some of the teeth are pretty bad; worn off all enamel and one
> > tooth in particular is causing most of the pain; it has no filling and
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> Pssttt... The oral surgeon also has a dental degree. You can't really
> trust him, he poisons other people. Better do the job yourself!
George - 02 Jun 2006 19:29 GMT
> As long as he doesnt put any mercury or other poisions in my mouth I
> will be O.K.!!

I was trying to be sarcastic here... :)
Beware of the quacks that will link every health problem you have to
your teeth and then kindly suggest thousands of dollars of remedial
treatment for a dubious outcome. These are the people you shouldn't
trust.
Charu - 02 Jun 2006 14:52 GMT
See,i cudnt really understand the poison part of your message.Because
mercury alone as such....yes we can call it a poison and as far as
amalgam (silver filling) that is done in dental office is considered,is
not a poison really.Yes it does have some adverse effects.And i havent
really heard about thyroid problem due to that.Anyways not to worry too
much if u had it once or twice.As far as ur painful teeth is considered
yes u might get it pulled out because you are short of money currently
and later can replace it with a partial denture prosthesis.As far as ur
widom teeth are considered you may get it out as sometimes it may also
cause sinus problem.However,having so many extractions as u said two in
front and lower three....in any case i would not do it.This is an era
of conservative dentistry and u should not get so many (5-6) teeth
pulled out.Gettin all these teeth out at once is as it is not done and
if he is doing you must change your dentist and otherwise also i would
suggest you should opt for a conservative treatment like root canal
therapy.Always remember there is no prosthetic appliance or any
material that can replace properties of enamel and dentin.
Jan - 05 Jun 2006 17:48 GMT
> See,i cudnt really understand the poison part of your message.Because
> mercury alone as such....yes we can call it a poison and as far as
> amalgam (silver filling)

Incorrect. amalgam (MERCURY filling}

that is done in dental office is considered,is
> not a poison really.

Key words * is considered, is not a poison really.*

This being considered is REALLY a LIE.

Yes it does have some adverse effects.And i havent
> really heard about thyroid problem due to that.

Not surprised..since you are a *dental student*.

http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/msg/f47a1c5658df581b?hl=en&

Anyways not to worry too
> much if u had it once or twice.As far as ur painful teeth is considered
> yes u might get it pulled out because you are short of money currently
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> therapy.Always remember there is no prosthetic appliance or any
> material that can replace properties of enamel and dentin.

I would say not *suggest* this dental student is full of CRAP!

http://www.toothwisdom.net/r.root_canals.html

http://www.integratedhealthpractice.com/treatment.asp#Root

 ll root cancel fillings have the potential to casue bad health. This
is because, althought the nerve has been removed, bacteria still
colonise in the minute tubules of a tooth. These bacteria produce
toxins which enter the body causing potential harm.
An area of residual infection which is left under the gum, usually
following, but sometimes a long time after an extraction can cause
problems. Symptoms can be coincided with the energetic links to the
body as well as localised problems.

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root.
A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no
way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible
source of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root
canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses
the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors
to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic
inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful;
however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has
several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of
lymphatic type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the
outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose.
It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the
nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy,
the flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth.
This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the
accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the
circulation is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for
no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are
many more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the
dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and
what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it
ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure
now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you
want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals
are said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right
to their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their
body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral
canals at the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely
that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable
subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable
substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out
against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the
patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.

>(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.

>The warning will read as follows:

>Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:

>Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>defects or other reproductive harm.

>Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.

>The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>approved for use all dental restorative materials.

>Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for your
>treatment.

>The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
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>mercury dental fillings and root canals. The agreement also allows non-CDA
>dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.

>The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to
>advocacy and activism in the public interest.

>"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>problem is that it's about 100 years too late."

>This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
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>risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>widely used substance in dental fillings today.

>The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.

>Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code § 25249.6].

>Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided to
>persons prior to their exposure to a chemical known to cause cancer or
>reproductive harm. This statute lists mercury, contained in dental
>amalgam, as a substance that can cause reproductive toxicity. The lawsuit
>was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>restorative materials in dental offices.

>The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>$2,500 per day.

>Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-947-5111.

>###

Jan
Joel344 - 04 Jun 2006 01:06 GMT
Ahhhh, poison. I thought it said "poisson" meaning fish in French

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Joel34
drdolittle - 04 Jun 2006 23:12 GMT
Joel344 Wrote:
> Ahhhh, poison. I thought it said "poisson" meaning fish in French.
I thought that poisson referred to a population distribution composed
of discrete variable occurences... similar to a binomial distribution.

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