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Teeth decaying incredibly fast, any suggestions?

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Tulert - 26 May 2006 22:22 GMT
Hi everybody,

I have terrible teeth. They went through a lot of restoration. My dentist
took care of all the cavities a year ago. Recently I detected a big cavity
and went to see a dentist in the US. Not surprisingly the neighboring tooth
was affected too. The dentist also found _whole lot_ of other cavities that
are not that urgent to treat and I hope to take care of that once I go visit
my native country.

The essence of my question is what could I possibly do to slow down the decay
process? The dentist in my country says that the process is way too fast and
suggests to take Calcium. Is there anything else for me to do? Fluoride,
certain type of foods, ...?

I would really appreciate any help.
Thank you.
Tony Bad - 26 May 2006 22:46 GMT
Tell us about your present diet and oral hygiene habits. That may help
anyone offer you some suggestions.

T

> Hi everybody,
>
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> I would really appreciate any help.
> Thank you.
Tulert - 26 May 2006 23:04 GMT
Thank you for your interest.

I brush daily. I know it is better to do it twice a day but somehow I can't
figure how to do it more often.

I am a student, I do not eat a lot of snacks but I often eat something while
reading books which makes it unclear if it's worth to brush when I'll be
eating smth in 20min or so again. I do not eat in Burger King or places like
that. Not sure what else could be helpful about my diet. It is not very
diverse. I eat fish and steaks regularly and I like fresh fruits and berries.

I dont' have a single tooth without a filling. A lot of them have more than 1.
Not sure if I can put it on genes but both my parents have bad teeth but it
seems I surpassed them.

Does the decay happen mostly because of sugar consumption or there could be
other reasons like lack of minerals, etc?

What is Listerin supposed to do? Does it kill the bacteria that consume sugar
and destroy teeth or it's purpose is different? Sorry for the ignorance.

>Tell us about your present diet and oral hygiene habits. That may help
>anyone offer you some suggestions.
>
>T
Tony Bad - 26 May 2006 23:16 GMT
Here are a few sites to look over for some info that may help...

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/decay.asp

http://www.animated-teeth.com/tooth_decay/t1_tooth_decay_cavities.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth_decay

Don't apologize for asking questions! See if these resources give you some
of the basic info, and let us know if you have any other specific questions.

T

> Thank you for your interest.
>
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> >
> >T
Tulert - 27 May 2006 00:39 GMT
Thanks. Those are some cool links. I like ADA handouts the most, will keep me
busy for some time.

What made me curious already is remineralization process:
"When conditions at a tooth's surface are non-acidic a remineralization
process can take place. During this event minerals found in the oral
environment can be re-incorporated into a tooth, thus reversing, or at least
minimizing, the damage that was done to the tooth during the demineralization
process (tooth decay formation)."

Besides non-acidic environment what else could help it?

By the way once a year I do have plaque and tartar cleaned away but my
dentist normally says that I don't have a lot of build up...

>Here are a few sites to look over for some info that may help...
>
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>> >
>> >T
George - 27 May 2006 17:37 GMT
Hi Tulert,
I don't know you personally or your oral hygiene habits, but I believe
your problems are caused by your diet. As you say, you will eat
something while reading and this will probably happen quite often in
your reading sessions, which are frequent since you are a student.
Everytime you eat something containing sugar, the acidity of your oral
environment is increased and your teeth attacked. Saliva will usually
be able to decrease the acidity to normal levels within a couple of
hours. This means that if you eat through your reading sessions, you
pretty much ensure that your mouth will be full of acids for the whole
day, which is very damaging to your teeth.
Frequency is much more important than quantity. It is much better to
eat 10 chocolates within 10 minutes than 3 chocolates throughout the
day. Also remember, that most of the food we eat in the western world
is processed and refined. Hidden sugar is everyway, from orange juice
to snacks. Check labels before eating something and pick healthy
snacks.
What I think is that you have to alter your diet significantly, so that
it contains the normal 3 meals and little more. Apart from that, a high
fluoride regiment will work; this may come in the form of a high
fluoride toothpaste (like duraphat) or mouthwash, which are usually
prescription medications and not over the counter, at least in my part
of the world. Since your permanent teeth have already been fully formed
and erupted , I don't see how calcium can help you. Stick with
fluoride.
You should visit your dentist at least every 6 months initially and
have bitewing xrays taken to monitor the progress of those early decay
lesions. They might remineralise without progressing to full cavities.

Regards,
George
Tulert - 28 May 2006 17:59 GMT
Thanks George,

I will try to change my eating habits. Given all the info it seems that it
should help to slow down the process at least to some extent. I guess I can
chew xylitol chewing gum instead of eating random items during the reading
sessions.

>Hi Tulert,
>I don't know you personally or your oral hygiene habits, but I believe
>your problems are caused by your diet.
JimSocal - 26 May 2006 22:50 GMT
>Hi everybody,
>
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>I would really appreciate any help.
>Thank you.
Do you drink a lot of soda or eat a lot of sugar?
Try using xylitol instead of sugar for everything.
Brush with an electric toothbrush, at least twice a day.
Floss.
Tulert - 26 May 2006 23:11 GMT
Soda: don't drink a lot. However in many places this happens to be the only
choice in terms of drinks. In those cases I definitely drink it. I guess it
means I have to switch to pure water, right?

What is the best time to brush: right after the meal or a little later. I am
finding different suggestions and am not really sure which ones to follow.

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions.

>>Hi everybody,
>>
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>Brush with an electric toothbrush, at least twice a day.
>Floss.
JimSocal - 27 May 2006 00:54 GMT
>Soda: don't drink a lot. However in many places this happens to be the only
>choice in terms of drinks. In those cases I definitely drink it. I guess it
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>Brush with an electric toothbrush, at least twice a day.
>>Floss.
Hi,
I'm not a dentist, just a guy with bad teeth not unlike you. I have
been told by dentists that some people do have softer and more
sensitive teeth than other people. My whole family both on my dad and
my mom's sides had bad teeth. Could be that no one took care of them;
I know I did not until I was about 22 and by then I'd already lost 1/3
of my teeth but that was I believe as much the fault of a faulty
dentist (read: malpractice) as it was anything I did.

Nevertheless I do believe there is a genetic component to extremely
bad teeth, but then again, I'm not a dentist; and I know some dentists
say the genetic aspect is minimal.

So I don't know who to believe. All I know is that I know people who
NEVER floss and only brush once or twice a day, eat sugar, never go
for a cleaning and they have strong teeth at the age of 60. So yes I
think there is a genetic component.

The bottom line is this: we have bad teeth. So what do we do about it?

In my case, I started brushing after every meal. Even if you have to
get one of those little "travel toothbrushes" and carry it with you
and brush once during the day, then once in the morning after
breakfast, and once after dinner.

Flossing I think is the key that screwed me up. I hated flossing and
just could not get myself to do it. What finally got me at least
somewhat into it are these little hand-held "floss picks" like
toothpicks but with a strand of floss on the end. It's not as good as
"regular flossing" I've been told but it beats not flossing at all.
And I hate using regular strands of floss wrapped around my finger.
Can't explain why, but I just hate it. So I use these Dentek Silk
Floss floss picks.

But the thing is, I brushed 2-3 times a day, brushed well, used
mouthwash, and STILL kept getting cavities. The only thing I did not
do "by the book" besides using floss was that I would sometimes not go
in for a teeth cleaning for a year or two. I have now also corrected
that.

From what I have learned, if you have teeth that aren't too strong to
begin with, you probably need to be VERY DILIGENT about all the above
plus not drink or eat sugar. I do use sugar in my tea (tea, while it
may stain your teeth is good for your teeth and gums; especially green
tea; and if you need sweetener use xylitol.) but use only 1/3 sugar
and 2/3 xylitol, then I do brush later.
Tulert - 27 May 2006 04:00 GMT
Jim,

thank you for sharing your experience and encouragement.

It seems doctors are not too interested in this thread and I'm not so sure
what they think about taking Calcium. You might want to try it too but it
seems that in the US nobody mentions this. My non-US dentist says to take
Calcium in every 6 months for 1 month in duration, 2 standard capsules per
day. During the last year I skipped it twice (was moving and later had other
problems to take care of, life is crazy here). It seems I got more cavities
than usually.
JimSocal - 27 May 2006 05:35 GMT
>Jim,
>
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>problems to take care of, life is crazy here). It seems I got more cavities
>than usually.

Tulert, the dentists are busy and there aren't too many here in the
first place. If you really need some advice though, about a particular
thing, they will usually come through.
letsconnect - 27 May 2006 16:44 GMT
There's a good page about diet here:

http://www.nationalsmileweek.org/smile_week_oral_health_information/diet.htm

It's not so much the amount of sugar you consume, but rather the
frequency. Be aware of "hidden" sugars in fruits, juices, etc. A
high-fluoride mouthwash (don't rinse after use) would be useful, and if
you can get hold of it, you might want to try MI Paste (GC Tooth Mousse
in Europe). It can be ordered on the internet, for example from
dentist.net.

Dry mouth can also greatly enhance your susceptability to decay, so if
you do have a dry mouth, xylitol-containing sugar-free boiled sweets
may help.
Don't think Calcium is much use.

> Jim,
>
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> problems to take care of, life is crazy here). It seems I got more cavities
> than usually.
george1234 - 31 May 2006 19:39 GMT
>What is the best time to brush: right after the meal or a little later. I am
>finding different suggestions and am not really sure which ones to follow.

Since you are having trouble doing it twice a day I'd recommend in the
morning after you get up and the evening before you go to bed. The
whole idea with placque formation is to disturb it  after x hours.
Sure its better if you brush  after you eat, but you already know you
don't.

In the morning, floss (same bit about placque formation)

If you can afford it, buy an electric tooth brush, like soni-care.
They have timmers on them that will makse sure you brush for at least
2 minutes

During the day, after eating, rinse your mouth with water. If there is
food between your teeth, get it out with a toothpick I like the soft
plastic toothpicks called brushpicks, They are soft and sturdy  enough
you can't jam or break them between teeth. like you can with wooden
toothpicks

If you want to get "fanatic' carry a tooth brush and dry brush after
meals ( back to that disturb the placque business)

--G
Tulert - 31 May 2006 21:41 GMT
Hi george1234,

thanks for everything. Will try to do my best :).

I can afford an electric tooth brush but it's not abig deal to brush for 2
min myself either. I heard that electric tooth brushes are good for "lazy"
people but have their negatives. Not sure what are the negatives.
JimSocal - 01 Jun 2006 18:57 GMT
>Hi george1234,
>
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>min myself either. I heard that electric tooth brushes are good for "lazy"
>people but have their negatives. Not sure what are the negatives.
Good question. I'm going to post a thread about electric toothbrushes
and see what the consensus is...
Jacob - 28 May 2006 01:53 GMT
FIRST OF ALL, FIND A DENTIST WHO IS REALLY UP ON PREVENTION.  IF YOU LIVE
NEAR A DENTAL SCHOOL, GO THERE AND BECOME A PATIENT.  THE FOLLOWING ARE
SUGGESTIONS THAT WILL HELP CURE YOUR INFECTION -- IT IS THE BACTERIA IN YOUR
MOUTH THAT ARE CAUSING THE CAVITIES, AND YOU NEED TO GET THIS INFECTION
UNDER CONTROL QUICKLY.

1. You should adjust your diet to limit sugars and fermentable carbohydrates
and make sure your oral hygiene is excellent
2. Ask your dentist for a prescription for a fluoride toothpaste, such as
Prevident -- it has a much higher fluoride content and is available only by
prescription
3. Get a prescription for chlorhexidine, which is a mouthwash that will be
effective in killing off the bacteria that is causing your problem.
However, use this ONLY after all your present cavities have been treated,
otherwise, your infection will return and you will have killed off only the
weaker bacteria.
4. Have your dentist give you a treatment using a fluoride varnish; it's
very easy and VERY effective, and then -- and this is very important -- get
another fluoride varnish treatment in several weeks later
5. Use a chewing gum or mints with xylitol; there are only two products that
I'm aware of that are sweetened with 100% xylitol: Epic, and Spry; the other
chewing gums that have xylitol -- who knows how much is in them.  You will
need to chew -- throughout the day/evening at least 8 grams of xylitol per
day, and more [up to about 15 grams] would be better
6. Use a home fluoride rinse, such as ACT or something like it
7. Consider having your dentist test your saliva, after you've used the
chlorhexidine for several weeks, to check on the levels of lactobacillus and
streptococcus mutans, both of which are implicated in causing cavities.
Checking on their levels in your saliva will let you know if the infection
is under control.

I hope this is helpful.  You need to get this started VERY soon!  Good
luck!!

> Hi everybody,
>
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> I would really appreciate any help.
> Thank you.
Tulert - 28 May 2006 17:50 GMT
Honestly I have trouble figuring out which dentists are good and which are
not too good (in the US). Moreover I'm not sure how one could tell which one
is up on prevention unless I go and see a lot of them. Additionally it looks
like dentists are not too excited when they think that it is uncertain if you
are going to become their regular patient. And they find it out very fast,
they start to ask where I got my fillings and crowns and learn that most of
my dental work comes from outside the US... One probably needs to know people
around to be able to ask what they think about their dentists but I do not
know that many americans and the ones I know are not native to the area.

In terms of dental schools: is it likely to have students do some of the
dental work there? Or do they mostly watch? I'm afraid I can't afford to let
something be done wrong, I'd rather pay more to a good specialist even though
my student budget is very limited.

2. Would Gel-Kam by Colgate work? It seems this is what I can get at the
moment.

3. I can't take care of all the cavities at the moment, it is too expensive
in the US. Should I postpone the mouthwash treatment then?

5. Trident has a new (?) variety that says it is with Xylitol and sugarless.
Would it be OK?

Thank you very much for taking time to reply! I can't describe how grateful I
am.

>FIRST OF ALL, FIND A DENTIST WHO IS REALLY UP ON PREVENTION.  IF YOU LIVE
>NEAR A DENTAL SCHOOL, GO THERE AND BECOME A PATIENT.  
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>5. Use a chewing gum or mints with xylitol; there are only two products that
>I'm aware of that are sweetened with 100% xylitol: Epic, and Spry;
Jacob - 29 May 2006 03:24 GMT
Where do you live?  From your email address, it looks like West England, but
you said you were in the US.  Let me know and I can recommend a good dental
school which could be close to where you are.  The work done in the dental
school will be VERY closely supervised by dentists, so that's not a problem
when a student does the work; they will have had a minimum of 2 years of
dental school before they treat you, and maybe more.  Also, the cost to you
will be about 1/2 of the cost at a private dentist.

Gel Kam is ok, but the Prevident would be much better!

The Trident has VERY little xylitol in it; it's mostly sweetened with
sorbitol and mannitol, both of which are not nearly as good as xylitol for
someone like you.  Don't waste your money on Trident, get something like
Epic or Spry, which you can find on the web -- the companies are in Utah.

I would get the cavities treated asap, but it's impossible to say how bad
they are without seeing them.  If they are small, they could become
"arrested" and not progress any further, sort of like healing.  If they are
past that stage, then they'll need to be restored.  Don't use the
chlorhexidine if the cavities are deep and need treatment; wait until they
are restored.

Let me know where you live.

> Honestly I have trouble figuring out which dentists are good and which are
> not too good (in the US). Moreover I'm not sure how one could tell which
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>>that
>>I'm aware of that are sweetened with 100% xylitol: Epic, and Spry;
Ann - 29 May 2006 10:43 GMT
>Where do you live?  From your email address, it looks like West England, but
>you said you were in the US.

IP address shows:

OrgName:    SBC Internet Services
OrgID:      SIS-80
Address:    2701 W 15th St PMB 236
City:       Plano
StateProv:  TX
PostalCode: 75075
Country:    US
JimSocal - 30 May 2006 08:25 GMT
>In terms of dental schools: is it likely to have students do some of the
>dental work there? Or do they mostly watch? I'm afraid I can't afford to let
>something be done wrong, I'd rather pay more to a good specialist even though
>my student budget is very limited.

If you go to a dental school GRADUATE STUDENT they are nearly
full-fledged dentists, AND have their profs supervising. My experience
with a grad student has been great. Of course they are still not cheap
by any means, but they are cheaper than most dentist offices, and the
best thing is that you are not being sold crap you don't need. For
basic filling and stuff I would trust a regular dental student. For
more involved things such as root canals and bridges, etc., I'd want a
grad student.

>5. Trident has a new (?) variety that says it is with Xylitol and sugarless.
>Would it be OK?

Here's a source for Spry chewing gum and also xylitol sugar substitute
in bulk:
http://www.xylitolforyou.com/products.html

Combine xylitol sugar substitute with green tea and you have a
mouth-healthy drink! You can use it in virtually anything you would
put sugar in, it has the same consistency as sugar, it's just a little
less sweet (and more expensive). But if you don't use a lot of sugar
in the first place, it really lasts a long time.
Tulert - 30 May 2006 17:41 GMT
Jacob - 29 May 2006 13:58 GMT
If you do live in Plano, as Ann said, the closest dental school for you
would be Baylor, which is in Dallas, Texas.  I would suggest you call them
and ask about how you would become a patient.  By the way, there are some
parts of Texas that have a natural water fluoride content that is quite
high, and this would be beneficial for you!  I don't know if Plano is in one
of these areas or not, or, for that matter, many people today drink only
bottled water, and if you do, you would not be getting the benefit of these
high fluoride levels.  Baylor has a service available that for $10 they will
determine the fluoride level of your drinking water
[http://www.tambcd.edu/srv03.htm] and you might want to use this service.
Regardless of this, however, you DEFINITELY need to take care of your teeth
very soon as, generally,  the problems you have will just get worse.  Let me
know how things are going and what you plan to do.

> Hi everybody,
>
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> I would really appreciate any help.
> Thank you.
Tulert - 29 May 2006 18:39 GMT
Hi Jacob,

I'm not sure how you guys determine IP and location. I'm, in Illinois, in one
of the Chicago suburbs. I bet there are a lot of dental schools around.

As to my plans: I recently took care of 3 cavities that were the worst
(didn't require root canal but all were deep and big cavities). It did hit my
budget and my US dentist said that the others can wait till the end of the
summer (answering my question if that's OK to postpone the rest till then).
So I hope I can get out of the country in the middle of the summer and treat
everything outside. Otherwise I will see the dentist here again and depending
on the cost will treat what I can.

I do understand that I need to take care of all the cavities but to the
certain extent my actions are constrained.

So if I get out of the country I'll have the cavities treated faster and will
be able to follow your instructions. Otherwise I'm not even sure if I'll
manage to treat all of them.


>Regardless of this, however, you DEFINITELY need to take care of your teeth
>very soon as, generally,  the problems you have will just get worse.  Let me
>know how things are going and what you plan to do.
Tulert - 29 May 2006 18:48 GMT
> but it's impossible to say how bad the cavities are without seeing them.

I have a PDF file with my X-rays. If you don't mind I can send it to you or
post somewhere. I think most of them would require restoration (given my
earlier experiences).
Bill - 30 May 2006 01:27 GMT
I'm, in Illinois, in one
of the Chicago suburbs. I bet there are a lot of dental schools around.

___________________________________________

Not anymore. Northwestern and Loyola both had great dental schools, but
were forced to close them due to the high costs of dental education.
The University of Illinois would be a good place to go.

Use the Gel-Kam if you didn't get a Prevident prescription.

best regards,
- dentaldoc
Tulert - 30 May 2006 17:45 GMT
I will try to get a Prevident prescription but Gel Kam I can get fast and
without prescription. I got it that Prevident is better, will try to get soon.

Thank you.

>>Use the Gel-Kam if you didn't get a Prevident prescription.
>
>best regards,
>- dentaldoc
Jacob - 29 May 2006 23:06 GMT
That would be great, if I could see the x-rays.  You could post them on this
site if you want.  If you are living near Chicago, there is a dental school
at the U of Ilinois in Chicago, and you could check that out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tulert via MedKB.com" <u22309@uwe>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Teeth decaying incredibly fast, any suggestions?

>> but it's impossible to say how bad the cavities are without seeing them.
>
> I have a PDF file with my X-rays. If you don't mind I can send it to you
> or
> post somewhere. I think most of them would require restoration (given my
> earlier experiences).

> Hi everybody,
>
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> I would really appreciate any help.
> Thank you.
Tulert - 30 May 2006 17:35 GMT
I can't figure how I can upload pictures to the forum... Here are the links
(sorry for the inconvenience)

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2130/xrays3xd.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5121/chart5ry.jpg

#4, #5 and #19 were treated. Not sure if #19 decayed or simply chipped. A
piece cracked on me during a meal.
Also my US dentist wasn't sure about the spots on #2 and #3 and on some
others (whether that is decay or material). On #19 similar spots turned out
to be material and I didn't check with my non-US dentist if the same material
was used for #19, #2 and #3 yet.

One more thing: I'm not sure how you read the forum but I cannot see any
headers like you mentioned. My e-mail is also totally different from
<u22309@uwe>...
I read from
http://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/dentistry/200605/1

Thank you so much for your time and help!

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Jacob - 30 May 2006 19:58 GMT
It's a bit difficult to see what's what with the radiographs but not seeing
you.  It also looks like in some areas the bone has begun to receed a bit.
Do you use dental floss regularly?  Has your dentist mentioned anything
about periodontal disease [gum disease]?  This is an insidious, painless
disease that if left untreated will continue to progress and you could end
up loosing teeth.  The major problems with the decay have been taken care of
from what you say, so that's good.  You really need to get on top of things
very soon to prevent more problems from developing.  It's good that you're
aware of the problem and have decided to seek some type of treatment.  If
you're going back to the UK soon, you might want to visit a dental school
there.  Dental schools generally have fees that are significantly lower and
the work that's done is generally excellent, and under the direct
supervision of faculty dentists.  Good luck!

>I can't figure how I can upload pictures to the forum... Here are the links
> (sorry for the inconvenience)
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Tulert - 31 May 2006 16:58 GMT
How does one treat the gum disease?

My dentist did evaluate my gum on scale from 1 to 5. Some of teeth got 4 but
the dentist said that overall things are not bad.
I do not floss too often.

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>It's a bit difficult to see what's what with the radiographs but not seeing
>you.  It also looks like in some areas the bone has begun to receed a bit.
>Has your dentist mentioned anything
>about periodontal disease [gum disease]?  This is an insidious, painless
>disease that if left untreated will continue to progress and you could end
>up loosing teeth.
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Jacob - 31 May 2006 20:25 GMT
Treatment of the gum disease would depend on the type you have.  The best
thing is prevention, and that would be using a toothbrush and floss.  When
you brush your teeth, use a very SOFT brush -- and there is NOT any need to
press very hard on your teeth.  Angle the brush so that you get the bristles
on the gum and in the small space between the tooth and the gum.  Also, use
floss once a day, preferably before you brush your teeth before going to
bed.  I'm not sure what system your dentist uses, so I'm reluctant to say
what a "1" or a "4" or a "5" is, but if you have any questions, ask your
dentist.  If your dentist did a gum examination, that was good, as sometimes
they don't.
> How does one treat the gum disease?
>
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Tulert - 31 May 2006 21:50 GMT
Thank you for all the comments, I really learned a lot. And thanks for taking
time to look at my XRays. I didn't expect too much ("It's a bit difficult to
see what's what with the radiographs") but it does give some peace of mind to
have an independent opinion on it.

>Treatment of the gum disease would depend on the type you have.
DarthPollo - 31 May 2006 22:17 GMT
Well i would also consider that you check your saliva, it might be to
acid, i don't know if someone else mentioned this or not, but i had
patient that had tahta problem, and even the crowns were crackin' s
get a check up on that to

--
DarthPoll
Tulert - 01 Jun 2006 00:45 GMT
Nobody mentioned it so far but I read about too acid saliva possibility on my
own.
Would any reminiralization happen if someone's saliva is too acid? I can
imagine such a condition sucks quite a lot.

Thanks for a good catch.

>Well i would also consider that you check your saliva, it might be to
>acid, i don't know if someone else mentioned this or not, but i had
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DarthPollo - 01 Jun 2006 18:14 GMT
Tulert via MedKB.com Wrote:
> Nobody mentioned it so far but I read about too acid saliva possibilit
> on m
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> stabilized it, and then proceed to rebuild your teeth...that's what
> think...hope you find a solution.

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Bill - 01 Jun 2006 19:15 GMT
> I can't figure how I can upload pictures to the forum... Here are the links
> (sorry for the inconvenience)
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> to be material and I didn't check with my non-US dentist if the same material
> was used for #19, #2 and #3 yet.
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Your films show that #4, #5, #6, #10, #13 and #19 have obvious lesions
with an immediate need for restoration. (As you mentioned, #19 could be
a chip.)

It's good that #4, #5, and #19 have already been treated.

Also, as you mentioned, the spots on #2 and #3 (also on #14, #18, #31
and others) could be a radiolucent restorative material, or could be
something else. It would take a visual exam to help determine that
question.

#30 has a severe bone loss in the furcation. That is not a good sign.
That could be a cracked root or a perforation. Either way, it needs to
be diagnosed in order to determine a course of treatment.

The angulation of the upper anterior films leaves teeth #7 and #10
partially obscured. That's why I strongly prefer to use the #1 size
xray film for anteriors instead of the #2 size film -- the smaller #1
size film allows better angulation for the picture, and thus better
visualization and diagnosis. Tooth #10 appears to have a possible
problem on the mesial, and tooth #7 needs a better picture.

Also, teeth #12 and #21 are almost completely missing from the bitewing
films. I would recommend taking that left side bitewing film over
again, in order to show these two teeth sufficiently to enable a
diagnosis.

I am particularly concerned about teeth #30 and #6, as these require a
close exam to determine their condition, and we can't do that over the
Internet.

Best of luck to you,
- dentaldoc
Tulert - 02 Jun 2006 03:55 GMT
OK, let me try to be positive:
#4, #5 and #19 are done. And the other 3 you mention at least are in lower
numbers than everything marked on the chart. So even in the worst case I'll
manage to treat #6, #10 and #13. Guess my wallet gonna be empty after that.
I guess it's stupid to ask how long I can procrastinate with the treatment, I
know myself that the sooner the better but... Do you think it can wait till
September? Or maybe at least till the beginning of August? Do these lesions
progress fast?

I was told about #30 too, thanks for mentioning that. That one will have to
wait till I get to my non-US dentist. That person is a good surgeon and will
know what to do. Do you know if I am likely to lose my tooth with that much
of a bone loss? Will I need a bridge or a crown could still be a possibility?

Thank you for such a thorough evaluation of my problems!

>Your films show that #4, #5, #6, #10, #13 and #19 have obvious lesions
>with an immediate need for restoration. (As you mentioned, #19 could be
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>Best of luck to you,
>- dentaldoc
Joel344 - 04 Jun 2006 01:06 GMT
Check sugar levels as in diabetes!

Joe

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