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GUEST VIEW: The evidence that fluoride is harmful is overwhelming

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Roman Bystrianyk - 17 May 2006 13:30 GMT
http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.php?event=news_print_list_item&id=1440

Dr. Limeback, "GUEST VIEW: The evidence that fluoride is harmful is
overwhelming", Standard Times, May 14, 2006,
Link: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-06/05-14-06/02opinion.htm

Dr. Limeback was one of the 12 scientists who served on the National
Academy of Sciences panel that issued the 2006 report, "Fluoride in
Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of the EPA's Standards." Dr.
Limeback is an associate professor of dentistry and head of the
preventive dentistry program at the University of Toronto.

The argument against fluoridation is strong when all the points listed
below are taken together.

1. Fluoridation is no longer effective.

Fluoride in water has the effect of delaying tooth eruption and,
therefore, simply delays dental decay (Komarek et al, 2005,
Biostatistics 6:145-55). The studies that water fluoridation work are
over 25 years old and were carried out before the widespread use of
fluoridated toothpaste. There are numerous modern studies to show that
there no longer is a difference in dental decay rates between
fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas, the most recent one in Australia
(Armfield & Spencer, 2004 Community Dental Oral Epidemiology.
32:283-96). Recent water fluoridation cessation studies show that
dental fluorosis (a mottling of the enamel caused by fluoride) declines
but there is no corresponding increase in dental decay (e.g. Maupome et
al 2001, Community Dental Oral Epidemiology 29: 37-47).

Public health services will claim there is a dental decay crisis. With
the national average in the U.S. of only two decayed teeth per child
(World Health Organization data), down from more than 15 decayed teeth
in the 1940s and 1950s before fluoridated toothpaste, as much as half
of all children grow up not having a single filling. This remarkable
success has been achieved in other developed countries without
fluoridation. The "crisis" of dental decay in the U.S. often mentioned
is the result, to a major extent, of sugar abuse, especially soda pop.
A 2005 report by Jacobsen of the Center for Science in the Public
Interest said that U.S. children consume 40 to 44 percent of their
daily refined sugar in the form of soft drinks. Since most soft drinks
are themselves fluoridated, the small amount of fluoride is obviously
not helping.

The families of these children with rampant dental decay need
professional assistance. Are they getting it? Children who grow up in
low-income families make poor dietary choices, and cannot afford dental
care. Untreated dental decay and lack of professional intervention
result in more dental decay. The York review was unable to show that
fluoridation benefited poor people.

Similarly, early dental decay in nursing infants (baby bottle syndrome)
cannot be prevented with water fluoridation. The majority of dentists
in the U.S. do not accept Medicaid patients because they lose money
treating these patients. Dentists support fluoridation programs because
it absolves them of their responsibility to provide assistance to those
who cannot afford dental treatment. Even cities where water
fluoridation has been in effect for years are reporting similar dental
"crises."

Public health officials responsible for community programs are
misleading the public by stating that ingesting fluoride "makes the
teeth stronger." Fluoride is not an essential nutrient. It does not
make developing teeth better prepared to resist dental decay before
they erupt into the oral environment. The small benefit that
fluoridated water might still have on teeth (in the absence of
fluoridated toothpaste use) is the result of "topical" exposure while
the teeth are rebuilding from acid challenges brought on by daily sugar
and starch exposure (Limeback 1999, Community Dental Oral Epidemiology
27: 62-71), and this has now been recognized by the Centers for Disease
Control.

2. Fluoridation is the main cause of dental fluorosis.

Fluoride doses by the end user can't be controlled when only one
concentration of fluoride (1 parts per million) is available in the
drinking water. Babies and toddlers get too much fluoride when tap
water is used to make formula (Brothwell & Limeback, 2003 Journal of
Human Lactation 19: 386-90). Since the majority of daily fluoride comes
from the drinking water in fluoridated areas, the risk for dental
fluorosis greatly increases (National Academy of Sciences:
Toxicological Risk of Fluoride in Drinking Water, 2006).

We have tripled our exposure to fluoride since fluoridation was
conceived in the 1940s. This has lead to every third child with dental
fluorosis (CDC, 2005). Fluorosis is not just a cosmetic effect. The
more severe forms are associated with an increase in dental decay (NAS:
Toxicological Risk of Fluoride in Drinking Water, 2006) and the
psychological impact on children is a negative one. Most children with
moderate and severe dental fluorosis seek extensive restorative work
costing thousands of dollars. Dental fluorosis can be reduced by
turning off the fluoridation taps without affecting dental decay rates
(Burt et al 2000 Journal of Dental Research 79(2):761-9).

3. Chemicals that are used in fluoridation have not been tested for
safety.

All the animal cancer studies were done on pharmaceutical-grade sodium
fluoride. There is more than enough evidence to show that even this
fluoride has the potential to promote cancer. Some communities use
sodium fluoride in their drinking water, but even that chemical is not
the same fluoride added to toothpaste. Most cities instead use
hydrofluorosilicic acid (or its salt). H2SiF6 is concentrated directly
from the smokestack scrubbers during the production of phosphate
fertilizer, shipped to water treatment plants and trickled directly
into the drinking water. It is industrial grade fluoride contaminated
with trace amounts of heavy metals such as lead, arsenic and radium,
which are harmful to humans at the levels that are being added to
fluoridate the drinking water. In addition, using hydrofluorosilicic
acid instead of industrial grade sodium fluoride has an added risk of
increasing lead accumulation in children (Masters et al 2000,
Neurotoxicology. 21(6): 1091- 1099), probably from the lead found in
the pipes of old houses. This could not be ruled out by the CDC in
their recent study (Macek et al 2006, Environmental Health Perspectives
114:130-134).

4. There are serious health risks from water fluoridation.

Cancer: Osteosarcoma (bone cancer) has recently been identified as a
risk in young boys in a recently published Harvard study (Bassin,
Cancer Causes and Control, 2006). The author of this study, Dr. Elise
Bassin, acknowledges that perhaps it is the use of these untested and
contaminated fluorosilicates mentioned above that caused the seven-fold
increase risk of bone cancer.

Bone fracture: Drinking on average 1 liter/day of naturally fluoridated
water at 4 parts per million increases your risk for bone pain and bone
fractures (National Academy of Sciences: Toxicological Risk of Fluoride
in Drinking Water, 2006). Since fluoride accumulates in bone, the same
risk occurs in people who drink 4 liters/day of artificially
fluoridated water at 1 part per million, or in people with renal
disease. Fluoridation studies have never properly shown that fluoride
is safe in individuals who cannot control their dose, or in patients
who retain too much fluoride.

Adverse thyroid function: The recent National Academy of Sciences
report (NAS: Toxicological Risk of Fluoride in Drinking Water, 2006)
outlines in great detail the detrimental effect that fluoride has on
the endocrine system, especially the thyroid. Fluoridation should be
halted on the basis that endocrine function in the U.S. has never been
studied in relation to total fluoride intake.

Adverse neurological effects: In addition to the added accumulation of
lead (a known neurotoxin) in children living in fluoridated cities,
fluoride itself is a known neurotoxin. We are only now starting to
understand how fluoride affects the brain. While some recent Chinese
studies suggest that fluoride in drinking water lowers IQ (NAS, 2006),
we need to study this more in depth in North America.

In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
reviewing recent data before introducing new fluoridation schemes do so
at risk of future litigation.
Steven Bornfeld - 17 May 2006 14:03 GMT
> In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
> beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
> reviewing recent data before introducing new fluoridation schemes do so
> at risk of future litigation.

    I'm guessing that if what you say is true the lawyers should have more
than enough to keep them busy.  It should be easy to demonstrate that
the agencies charged with making these decisions are wrong.
    Go get 'em, tiger!

Steve
nyscof - 17 May 2006 23:26 GMT
> > In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
> > beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
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>
> Steve

Here we go:

www.onlinelawyersource.com/fluoride-osteosarcoma/index.html
Tony Bad - 21 May 2006 05:11 GMT
> > > In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
> > > beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
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>
> www.onlinelawyersource.com/fluoride-osteosarcoma/index.html

I  get all my medical advice from lawyers these days since I know that they,
unlike those involved in healthcare, have no hidden agenda when it comes to
giving advice.

T
sales@earnworld.com - 21 May 2006 06:23 GMT
> > > > In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
> > > > beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
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>
> The merer

Hello.

Besides fluoride being harmful, the high amount of mercury in vaccines
has been a major cause for increase of autism in kids up to 3 years. A
year ago pediatricians claimed there was no proof to support changes of
healthy kids turning autistic related to mercury. Recent European
research now shows different results. My kid was affected and I know
several others that were. Requests have been made that the shot would
not be applied. The evidence of these requests has been destroyed by
the pediatrician in question and the staff disclaims responsibility or
any knowledge from the incident. No I pay 10.000's of $$ for therapy,
neurologists, in-hospital-research and more. Anyone aware of winning
lawsuits regarding this topic?

Joe Smith
EarnWorld.com
Steven Bornfeld - 21 May 2006 16:37 GMT
>>>>>In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
>>>>>beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly
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> Joe Smith
> EarnWorld.com

    I think the anti-vacs are opposed to vaccination on principle.  I'm
hardly an expert here, but many non-fringe groups such as Consumer's
Union have opposed the use of thimerosol in vaccines, and AFAIK there
aren't many vaccines used in the US that have thimerosol anymore.  If
there is a list of those that still do use thimerosol, I'd like to know.
    I do know that a few years back when my daughter was an infant the main
focus of antivacs was DPT.  There was an acellular preparation
available, but many US doctors were using a cellular preparation, which
had a higher incidence of complications.  Unless I'm mistaken, the DPT
vaccine used now generally is the acellular form.
    Of course, the anti-vacs (as well as the antifluoride) folks at base
object on civil-liberties grounds, as this is viewed as "forced
medication".  I'm not going to argue the merits of this; it has been
done to death, and I doubt anyone's mind is going to be changed.  There
is always a conflict between the rights (and responsibilities!) of the
individual vs. the rights and responsibilities of the community.  This
isn't likely to change, but a little responsibility on the part of the
pharmaceutical corporations (such as not permitting the continued sale
of the cellular DTP vaccine when a safer alternative is available at
minor additional cost) would take away a lot of the claimed moral high
ground of the antis.

JMO,
Steve
dead_paul - 21 May 2006 11:57 GMT
>> > > In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than
>> > > beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid
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> I  get all my medical advice from lawyers these days since I know that
> they,

lawyers don'tgive medical advice at all.

> unlike those involved in healthcare,

VIOXX

> have no hidden agenda when it
> comes to giving advice.

PHARMA

You best watching out for yourself.
And don't take drugs, they are more likely to kill
you today than at any time in the past. Thyey hardly
bother to test them properly these days. Checkout vioxx.

> T
nyscof - 21 May 2006 12:24 GMT
>I  get all my medical advice from lawyers these days since I know that >they, unlike those involved in healthcare, have no hidden agenda >when it comes to
>giving advice.

Yeah, that's like believing a dentist is an expert on fluoride's bodily
effects.
Tony Bad - 22 May 2006 18:33 GMT
> >I  get all my medical advice from lawyers these days since I know that
>they, unlike those involved in healthcare, have no hidden agenda >when it comes to
> >giving advice.
>
> Yeah, that's like believing a dentist is an expert on fluoride's bodily
> effects.

I see your organization consists of consists of "physicians, dentists,
legislators, lawyers, scientists, environmentalists and other professionals
as well as mothers, fathers and others"

Are these dentist's in your group considered as unknowing as the rest of us
or does agreement with your agenda give one an instant IQ boost?

Just curious.

T
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 22 May 2006 19:22 GMT
>>>I  get all my medical advice from lawyers these days since I know that
>>
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>
> T

    I would actually love to see who is on the board of directors of this
organization.  It's nicer when I know exactly whom I'm talking to.
    I'm not being cute; Pieter Miers is no friend of fluoride; still, he's
willing to put his name out there and discuss his position for attribution.
    The only names I've seen attached to NYSCOF over the years is a lawyer
named Paul and a woman named Sally.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

nyscof - 23 May 2006 12:16 GMT
Anyone who takes the time to read the literature concerning fluoride is
more intelligent than any dentist who just parrots his dental
organizations opinion of fluoride.

Consumers,  Media and Legislators actually beieve in you.  They don't
want to read the liteature either.

Do you know how much fluoride each of your patients inbibes, absorbs or
consumes each day before you prescribe more.  If you are basing it just
on what they drink in their water supply, you are way off.

Do you monitor them for side effects as put forth in the physicians
desk reference?

Research shows that dentists are still unaware that ingesting fluoride
has no beneficial effects.  Do you tell your patients this?

Do you spend more time criticizing people opposed to fluoridation than
actually boning up on the subject?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 23 May 2006 15:17 GMT
> Anyone who takes the time to read the literature concerning fluoride is
> more intelligent than any dentist who just parrots his dental
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> Do you spend more time criticizing people opposed to fluoridation than
> actually boning up on the subject?

    Any particular people you're talking about?

Steve

Signature

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

nyscof - 24 May 2006 00:37 GMT
<<Any particular people you're talking about?

Nothing personal.  It's just business.
Tony Bad - 23 May 2006 19:16 GMT
You assume a lot about people you don't know. .

The only reason I respond to YOU is because you, like many others here of a
fanatical bent, assume that abject stupidity is the only way to explain
those who you perceive to be in disagreement with your cause. If I were into
making rash and uninformed judgments about people I don't know, I would say
that is the mark of someone who is rather dim.

If I read one article and declared myself in alliance with your beliefs I
would be minimally informed, yet you would have no problem using me as a
reference in support of your cause. I'd love to have an opportunity to sit
down and see just what those in your little group really know. I have done
so with a "holistic" dentist in my area. I am sure you would be a big
supporter of his, but as it turns out, his expertise is in marketing, not
science and the fact he agrees with your cause, and many others, is based on
things other then genuine insight.

Be careful of the idols you worship!

T

> Anyone who takes the time to read the literature concerning fluoride is
> more intelligent than any dentist who just parrots his dental
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Do you spend more time criticizing people opposed to fluoridation than
> actually boning up on the subject?
nyscof - 24 May 2006 00:41 GMT
>I'd love to have an opportunity to sit
>down and see just what those in your little group really know

If you are a dentist, let us know where you live.  We often show up for
debates only to find that the sponsors of the event were unable to find
anyone willing to fill the chair  the pro-fluoridationist should be
occupying.  So we usually plop a rubber chicken in the chair.

Someday, maybe you'll take the place of the rubber chicken?
 
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